Subject: SMML VOL 1184 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 01:39:43 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Coast guard query 2: Land-locked subs 3: Re: 1/350 vs. 1/700 4: Re: James Kloek trip to Paris 5: Paris in April 6: Ship model Plans 7: Re: Reagan Class Carrier 8: What Famous Captain? 9: Going to Paris 10: Re: Cellar dweller 11: Hood caps 12: Royal Navy Warship Plans 13: Great Eastern plans 14: Re: Waldron Punch & Die sets 15: From Paris to Normandy and Back 16: PEARL HARBOR trailer just seen 17: Re: REAGAN CLASS CVN? 18: Back to Portugal for one month 19: Re: career progression 20: monografie morskie...Admiral Graf Spee/Admiral Scheer 21: Auckland NZ Navy Open Day 22: Southeastern States 23: Re: Jack Daniels -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Coast guard query Hi Guys I have a question for Coast Guard buffs. In the 1970's the Coast Guard built a 32 ft Ports and Waterways Boat numbered from 32301 -32350. It was a fire boat. Can any one tell me which one of these was given to the Camden City Fire Dept, Camden NJ. My brother is a fire fighter assigned to it and all they have is tech manuals for maintence and the boats manufacturer plate for specifications and vin number. The Coast Guard had removed any markings when they recieved it from them. My brother asked me for my help on it. Any information about it be it positive or negative would be appreciated. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Land-locked subs There is another submarine displayed on dry land, near the Portsmouth, New Hampshire (USA) Naval shipyard. It is (was?) the U.S.S. Albacore. This vessel was built as a floating test-bed for innovations in the emerging technologies of submarine design. When she was declared "surplus", a channel was dug, from sea water to a constructed basin, and she was floated into the basin. The basin was sealed and then emptied of water. Visitors can walk all around the rim of basin and see some of the outstanding features such as the radical (for the time) cigar-shaped hull, the coaxial contrarotating propellers, the streamlined sail (conning tower), etc. To make it easier for visitors, two door ways have been cut in the hull, allowing visitors to traverse short bridges directly from the rim of the basin into and out of the ship, no climbing of ladders, etc. required. It was not intended to be a combat vessel, merely a device to provide sea trials for the new ideas. Many concepts were tried out, evaluated, revised or discarded, etc. Therefore she had no armament, and no provision for long periods at sea. To be generous, quarters were cramped and Spartan, to say the least. The propulsion was strictly diesel-electric, as atomic propulsion was another project entirely. I don't recall the time frame, but I hazard a guess that it was in the fifties and/or the sixties. If you are a submarine fan and are planning to be in New England (the Northeast corner of U.S.) for a visit, a trip to the Albacore is recommended. Heck, while you are at it come to see "Old Ironsides" (U.S.S Constitution) in Boston, "Charles W. Morgan" in Mystic, Connecticut, U.S.S. Nautilus (I am not sure just where she is, perhaps a SMMLer can tell us), U.S.S. Salem in Quincy, Mass., U.S.S Massachusetts and U.S.S John F. Kennedy in Fall River, Mass., among many other maritime museums and displays in the area. No, I am not a tourism or public relations staffer, just a casual resident who, in the spirit of SMML likes to share information. Franklyn from Boston (Massachusetts, that is) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: ELLshipmodeler@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/350 vs. 1/700 David.Summers wrote: >> A 1945 Essex or Iowa really needs to be 1/350 or bigger! << I heartily second that for all steel navy ships. When will the manufacturers start producing 1/96 or 1/192 (1/100 or 1/200) resin/fiberglass destroyers and cruisers in the detail consistent with those scales? You should not need a magnifying glass to admire a ship model on display in an exhibit. Gene Larson Alexandria, Virginia Member, NRG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "John W. Wressell" Subject: Re: James Kloek trip to Paris You don't want to miss the Musee de la Marine. Just across the river from the Tower. One of the finest in the world. John Wressell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Stuart Batchelor Subject: Paris in April James (& Others), I was there last May, I don't know what your schedule will allow, but there are several sites worth it. Les Invalides (pardon my french, I have enough problems with english), which has Napoleons Tomb along with others, there is/are a museum across the Seine from the Eiffel Tower, the view from the top of the Arch de Triomph is worth the climb (plus, at 10:00 {22:00} the Eiffel Tower was light up with flashing lights, we caught that from the top of the Arch). Normandy is worth the trip, and as Shane said, a rental car is very helpful (you'll need an international drivers license available from AAA). When I go back to Normandy, I'll take 2 - 3 days and work my way from Caen to St. Malo (great food there). The entire Normandy area is well marked in French and English. Once you have seen it, you will realize that none of the movies, as good as they are, do justice to what those men in the assault did that day. One benefit to having been to the cemeteries at Courville sur Mer and others, you will finally recognize that there are some government agencies that are worth their budget allocation with no questions, the same holds true for the Commonwealth War Graves Commission and the Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgraberfursorge. Other good day trips along the same line, if you can swing it, is to go to Verdun and /or Ypres, two other very moving and emotional locations on the same level as Normandy. The are both well documented and sign posted for the tourist. I'm sure that others will chime in also, Hope this helps. Stuart Batchelor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Paul Jordan Subject: Ship model Plans Just a few more for you to add to your bookmarks http://lonestar.texas.net/~glover/george.html (George Goff) http://floatingdrydock.com/ http://members.aol.com/ssyweb/SSYMain.htm (Model Shipyard...hulls yes but plans???) http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/ (White Ensign UK) This is really just for folks starting out, since most of you probably have these links already Paul J Victoria BC Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Reagan Class Carrier >> However, with that new and unique island configuration, is there a possibility that this could the flagship of a "Reagan" class carrier? << I have another question regarding the Reagan and Nimitz class carriers. IF the Reagan is a Nimitz, has there ever been a case where a carrier has had such significant changes at the design phase and yard and still been in the same class as the other vessels of the older, different designed class? I guess the big question is what determines a new class of ship? New hull, superstructure, internal design changes like engines and power plant? Just curious. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Ned Barnett Subject: What Famous Captain? >> What famous Captain said "A ship is a ship". << Captain James Tiberius Kirk at the end of Star Trek IV, "Kirk Saves the Whales (and swims with a wig)" ... he said it, and Scotty replied, "Thy Will be done ..." Ned the Trek-Head -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Fredrycca Cerussi-Muntz" Subject: Going to Paris James, Make sure that you visit the "Musee de la Marine". They have a magnificent collection of shipmodels . Jan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Cellar dweller >> Ahhh... so THAT's where they all went!! << Haven't you wondered why dad hasn't come up from the cellar in the past 5 months?? :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Hood caps Dear Mr Allen, You will be going relentlessly down market if you do not include the crest. Without the crest your cap will be like all the others, and you don't want that do you? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Royal Navy Warship Plans John Lambert's plans are great but he only covers the smaller vessels. If you want drawings of modern RN vessels, then try: Jecobin (31 Romans Way, Pyrford, Woking, Surrey, GU22 8TR). Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Christian Subject: Great Eastern plans Hi all, Me and a friend are gathering information about the 1859 launched British steam vessel Great Eastern. We are planning on scratch built models. One in 1/600 scale, the other in 1/350 scale. There is not too much info around. We have gathered dozens of pics, theGerman paper model and body plans that show frames. We would need detailed rigging plans and those showing correct deck house, vent and skylight arrangement. There is a three volume book in existence called: Russell, John Scott: The Modern System of Naval Architecture: London, 1864 - 65. It contains all plans about the GE we'll ever need. But it is a very old and therefore brittle and fragile book and photocopies are seemingly impossible to obtain. One copy I located in the Texas Cushing Library in College State, TX USA but I live across the Atlantic ocean. I already wrote to many museums and archives. I didn't get anything satisfying yet. I would appreciate very much any kind of help that could get us out of the dead end. Pictures of good museum models of the Great Eastern for example would be of greatest help. There is one model in San Francisco I heard. Of course detailed builders plans would be perfect. I also appreciate very much reliable color charts. The existing Currier and Ives paintings of the Great Eastern are beautiful but not 100% scientific and don't show any deck detail. My email addresses: christianschonberg@hotmail.com christian@xangrila.pt Thank you very much in advance Cheers, Christian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: PSmith6328@aol.com Subject: Re: Waldron Punch & Die sets Check out this web site for cheap nut bolt and rivet makers PDI Model Supplies They sell GREIF products Phill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Robert Mosher" Subject: From Paris to Normandy and Back I second the notion that Normandy is worth visiting, though I haven't managed it since 1981. Back then, you could rent a car from the railway and pick it up and return it at the train station. If still possible it worked great then. I understand the museum at Arromanches or in the vicinity now tells a great version of the Mulberry story, the floating concrete docks they brought across the Channel. Bon voyage! Robert M -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: PEARL HARBOR trailer just seen I just know I am opening up another thread here, but, went to see ENEMY AT THE GATES today and saw a much different PEARL HARBOR trailer. Great cinemaphotography, throat gulping moments. I distinctly remember heartstopping scenes of bomb leaving Jap plane, following the bomb down to a realistic Battleship Row, seeing distincly ARIZONA focused on bomb as it fallw to exact area of impact. I remember seeing split seconds of scene of bent and broken ARIZONA forward tripod mast, An airfield full of proper period aircraft, yes, decommed Spru Can destroyers in nests getting hit, a KNOX class here and forward mounts of BB 63. I think we all have to step back and look at the big picture so to speak as a story of an infamous day is told to a whole new generation of young folks. We, as armchair enthusiasts and pic-apart-scenes just have to sit back and enjoy the movie, get caught up in the cinemetography, the music, and perhaps the acting, and let our minds fill in all the deep spots and mistakes that the filmaker left out. A ladyfriend of mine who never read about that day, except that it was THE DAY some ships got bombed by the japs and brought the US into the war, doesnt care that this doesnt look like ARIZONA or those B 17s arent the right variant, or those destroyers look strangely modern, just wants to bring her son to see a movie about a historical event that did happen....and I am always happy, after the movie to answer the unanswered questions. ILM did the special effects, but didnt get it all. Too bad scenes from TORA TORA TORA couldn't have been spliced into this one, I think it would be breathtaking. Well, thats my epistle on that one...... RD Bean -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: REAGAN CLASS CVN? Hey Rusty, Interesting musing, but Newport News still calls it the 9th NIMITZ hull and the USN will probably continue with the same. Hull length, width and flight deck are marginally the same and in shape characteristics.....its sorta like the new modified designs of DDG Arleigh Burke class now with the Flight II Helicopter hangar characteristic, same class of ship, same hulls, modification II.....hey, I am no expert, but perhaps you were just musing anyway, right? Ray D. Bean -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Ramires, Filipe C" Subject: Back to Portugal for one month Hello List I am going back to Portugal in the 24th of March to a well deserved month of "vacations" (I have to study anyway) so if someone like to contact me must do it before it or just send me an e-mail starting the 24th of March to: filipesnavy@mail.telepac.pt I must be in Portugal until the end of April, then I should come back to the United Kingdom to restart lessons and to make some exams. I will be back to Portugal by the end of June. I just can't wait to put my hands in a model and in my tools to start work on my ships. Regards. Filipe C. Ramires Colchester, UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: raisingirl@mindspring.com Subject: Re: career progression hi all.... Simon Wolff wrote: >> Gee that sounds like a fairly consistent career direction..... (one and the same?) well someone had to say it... << I *knew* someone was going to say that! (And now I teach for a living, so you might really see a pattern emerging....) :) jodie (who's pointed it out herself, many times) http://www.mindspring.com/~raisingirl/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "denis james" Subject: monografie morskie...Admiral Graf Spee/Admiral Scheer Interesting discussion. Critique is fine but with respect shouldnt get personal. Im blding Hellers Scheer and find it hard to get decent drawings of her. I have Morskies on the subject plus ref in Conways, Janes, both of the Breyers and Giorgerinis (wish i could read it tho) But Im still confused. Scale Models 4/72 hav a nice piece with drawings (harry woodman) but i still cant be sure exactly what year/mod the Heller kit represents. Nor the colours post the 42 refit (which is my guess for the kit) I take the point on pinching photos but given that i dont have the scource material I wouldnt have known about it. To me at the time it was an inexpensive and welcome find. I have ordered PSM with past issues covering the KM camo so that will help in that area. (yep just when the Aussie hits an all time low..) But if any one can help with data on the Scheer or direct me where to go to get decent drawings that are affordable (without fear of being divorced) I sure would appreciate the assist. On the subject of scale I come from the a/c side so 1/48 to even 1/400 Im finding difficult. As for 1/700 ..my god. Keep up the chatter.I enjoy it all. rgds denis james Hi Denis, Yeah, I was lucky & got an order into WEM just before the Aussie dollar took another dive - now I wish I'd ordered more :-(. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Art" Subject: Auckland NZ Navy Open Day This weekend the Navy base was open for visitors to the ships which participated in Tasmanex 2001 France F 734 Vendemaire P699 La Moqueuse NZ F111 Te Mana F77 Te Kaha Hdro. Resolution Australia S 75 Waller F151 Arunta F05 Melbourne D41 Brisbane The usual photographs of walk arounds were taken and will be developed this week if anyone requires copies. Art Hi art, Send them on in & we'll post them on the SMML site. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: seavee@lineone.net Subject: Southeastern States Am planning a trip to the SE States in a couple of weeks - can any list members tell if there are any "must do" model shops and book shops in the North Florida (Pensacola), Charleston up to Norfolk(VA) areas? Also has anyone been to the Navy Supply Corps museum in Athens, Georgia and can tell me if it's worth a visit, particuarly for MSC and aux. ships? Please reply off list,any help or suggestions would be most welcome. Thanks Sean -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: wem Subject: Re: Jack Daniels Caroline Carter wrote: >> Guilty as charged.. we brought the 2 litres of Navy Rum for that particular night of debauchery...I do seem to remember Steve knocking back a few glasses... he was obviously too drunk to remember... and BTW Alan brought along the cheap brandy... Except it wasn't Columbus, it was Santa Clara. And it was where John Snyder and I met for the first time in 1998, if you remember Steve ;^)) << We ALL knocked back a few glasses...and the photos of that particular evening--including Steve--are still on the White Ensign website (including a couple of me that I've just GOT to get removed!)... >>> and some of the great wines from Caroline's fathers cellar. << >> Ahhh... so THAT's where they all went!! << Not all...and I've been working on the ones Steve missed.... John Synder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume