Subject: SMML VOL 1195 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:39:04 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: if you miss the sub... 2: CA Glue adverse reaction 3: Ship gender 4: Recycling in Germany 5: Re: converting ship scales to fractions 6: CVN names 7: Re: Chris Langtree's opus in SMML 1193 8: ICM Hood 9: Re: ICM Hood Kits 10: Supply and demand determines the price 11: Re: BAD decision at ICM 12: To Steve about those BB kits 13: BB61 at the Panama Canal 14: Sunburn's and after 15: 1/350 Gearing Class 16: Re: USN verses Newfoundland 17: Re: ICM HOOD 18: Re: ICM HOOD pricing... 19: Hobby Stores in Tokyo 20: Re: ICM Hood prices 21: New WSW Kits -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: J & D Production Announcement 2: Kits, books in stock -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Cecil Childers" Subject: if you miss the sub... 50 Suggestions for the ex-submariner that misses "the good old days on the boat"; 1. Sleep on the shelf in your closet. Replace the closet door with a curtain. Two to three hours after you fall asleep, have your wife whip open the curtain, shine a flashlight in your eyes, and mumble "Sorry, wrong rack". 2. Repeat back everything anyone says to you. 3. Spend as much time as possible indoors and avoid sun light. Only view the world thru the peep hole on your front door. 4. Renovate your bathroom. Build a wall across the middle of your bathtub and move the shower head down to chest level. Shower once a week. Use no more than 2 gallons of water per shower. 5. Buy a trash compactor and use it once a week. Store garbage in the other side of your bathtub. 6. Sit in your car for six hours a day with your hands on the wheel and the motor running, but don't go anywhere. Install 200 extra oil temerature gauges. Take logs on all gages and indicators every 30 minutes. 7. Put lube oil in your humidifier instead of water and set it to "High". 8. Watch only unknown movies with no major stars on TV and then, only at night. Have your family vote on which movie to watch, then watch a different one. 9. Don't do your wash at home. Pick the most crowded laundromat you can find. 10. (Optional for Nukes and A-Div) Leave lawnmower running in your living room six hours a day for proper noise level. 11. Have the paperboy give you a haircut. 12. Take hourly readings on your electric and water meters. 14. Invite guests, but don't have enough food for them. 15. Buy a broken exercise bicycle and strap it down to the floor in your kitchen. 16. Eat only food that you get out of a can or have to add water to. 17. Wake up every night at midnight and have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on stale bread. (Optional- cold beans and weinies, canned ravioli or soup) 18. Make up your family menu a week ahead of time without looking in your food cabinets or refrigerator. 19. Set your alarm clock to go off at random times during the night. When it goes off, jump out of bed and get dressed as fast as you can, then run to your kitchen with the garden hose while wearing a scuba mask. 20. Once a month take every major appliance completely apart and then put them back together. Ensure you have parts left over. 21. Use 18 scoops of coffee per pot and allow it to sit for 5 or 6 hours before drinking. Never wash any coffee cups. 22. Invite at least 85 people you don't really like to come and visit for a couple of months. Limit showers to weekly for all guests. (Unless they are interested in electronics....force those guests to shower three times daily and wear * bottle of stale cologne following each bathing). 23. Store your eggs in your garage for two months and then scramble a dozen each morning. 24. Have a fluorescent lamp installed on the bottom of your coffee table and lie under it to read books. 25. Check your refrigerator compressor for "sound shorts". 26. Put a complicated lock on your basement door and wear the key on a lanyard around your neck. 27. Lockwire the lugnuts on your car. 28. When making cakes, prop up one side of the pan while it is baking.Then spread icing really thick on one side to level off the top. 29. Every so often, yell "Emergency Deep", run into the kitchen, and sweep all pots/pans/dishes off of the counter onto the floor. Then, yell at your wife for not having the place "stowed for sea". 30. Put on the headphones from your stereo (don't plug them in). Go and stand in front of your stove. Say (to nobody in particular) "Stove manned and ready". Stand there for 3 or 4 hours. Say (once again to nobody in particular) "Stove secured". Roll up the headphone cord and put them away. 31.Tag out the stearing wheel, gas pedal, brake pedal, transmision and cigarette lighter when you change the oil in your car. 32. Use kool aid on all your breakfast cereals for 2 months. 33. Fill laundry tubs with oil. Lay in them, on your back, and change the washers on the water spigots. 34. While doing laundry, replace liquid fabric softener with diesel Fuel... savor the aroma of AMR2LL. 35. Install more commodes in your bathroom. Serve many greasy meals and ensure the entire family goes to the bathroom together. 36. Buy bunk beds and move the whole family into the hallway of your house. 37. Just for fun, rig 700 PSI air to the bottom of all toilets. Hold a lottery to determine who gets to control the air valves. 38. Knock a glass of water out of someone's hand and yell 'SPILL'. Shout at them the entire time they clean it up, tell them how worthless they are, then do it again. 39. Give your wife a new pin for her dress, then punch it into her chest. 40. Ask for 'permission to enter' whenever you go into the kitchen. 41. At night, replace all lightbulbs in the livingroom with red bulbs. 42. Buy all food in cases and line the floor with them. 43. Replace all doorways with windows so that you have to step up AND duck to go thru them. 44. Rope off a small area of your living room, turn off the AC, put on a suit made of garbage bags and mill around inside the roped off area for an hour with a zip lock bag tied securely around your head. 45. Whenever someone enters a room you're cleaning, shout "up and over" at them so they'll go thru the attic to get to the kitchen. 46. Tell your kids to "go find me a can of relative bearing grease". 47. Whenever the mailman steps onto your porch, shout "Postmaster General - Arriving" so that everyone in the house can hear you. 48. Paint he windshield of your car black. Make your wife stand up thru the sunroof and give you directions on where to drive. Drive thru as many big puddles as possible. 49. Have your kids stand at attention everytime you enter the room and make them state quite loudly, "Attention on Deck"or "Make a Hole". 50. Start every story with "This is no-shit". -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: rolie muise Subject: CA Glue adverse reaction Has anyone ever had or heard of a reaction to CA glue? I was using it the other night on a scratch built model of HMCS Iroquois(280). Couple hours later,runny nose, constricted throat,sever salivating and harsh cough. Rolie in Nova Scotia home of HMCS Sackville -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Baumbach, Werner" Subject: Ship gender A couple of days ago there was a post another post on German, Belgian and Dutch Navies calling there boats he. Now I cannot comment on Dutch and Belgian Navies, but for German this sounds incorrect. Now I don't want to beat a dead horse even deader, but I sometimes get caught in the little things. Again, as I wrote before I think German boats are she, if you leave the class out and refer only to the name. With the class you have the possibility of all three genders. The gentleman making the post sounded convincing too, though. I am a native speaker, and I have read a number of publications both from today and world war 1 and 2. I have not come across a single he reference. Though the passage on the Bismarck would be interesting (I need to follow that up, that was an earlier post). Now maybe there is some strange navy habit of mutulating the language. So, to all of you on this list, who are German native speakers: did you ever come across a reference of 'der Shipname'? Maybe some Dutch and Belge people can have some input to their stand point. To add a new twist to this thread, how many countries are represented on this list? Is there any statistics on that? Happy modelling Werner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Baumbach, Werner" Subject: Recycling in Germany >> See I heard a story that they did and began to reuse everything that even junk yards were cleaned out and land was reclaimed in France, England, and Germany. Is this true? << Madness has many faces. And as in many cases good ideas lead to obscure results sometimes. There was and partly still is a hype for recycling in Germany. This started about 10 years ago with the start of garbage seperation. Now to make it not too easy, the rules for this vary. So when you move, you get a manual to understand, what you are now supposed to do with your garbage. Here is the extreme: you could end up having different trash bins for: glass, paper, items with dual system (meaning the industry is paying for the recycling), food, batteries, and all the rest. Of course bigger items like furniture go to a different place. And then again another for electronic stuff. It is a lot of fun. Right now they are discussing a return fee on beer and other drink cans. This is meant to push the usage of glass bottles further. The fun thing is, that studies showed, that it's more expensive and less environmental to clean the bottles and use them again, then to use the glass to produce new bottles. Oh well, we have the green party in the government at the moment. Many discussions around nuclear power at the moment. So I wonder what is next. Of course, the general principle to be sensible with the ressources and the environment is correct. I learned the other extreme while working for an US army youth group. I was supprised that during a retreat to the black forest the whole group did not use the dishes but their own paper plates and plastic knives and forks. When I asked them if they didn't think, that that was a bit of a waste, the answer was that if God wanted to destroy the world he would do it within an blink of an eye. I guess two cultures clashed. I still loved the five years with those kids. Happy modelling Werner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: ELLshipmodeler@aol.com Subject: Re: converting ship scales to fractions >> I would like to know how to convert the scale of 1/16 in = a foot to the correct scale << There are some very complete conversion charts on the NRG web site. Look under the Shop Notes section on the main page. http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org 1/16"=1' is the same as 1/192 or 1'=192' or 1"=192" etc. Gene Larson Alexandria, Virginia Member, NRG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: CVN names >> Besides, the F-18 was named Hornet while the carrier was still on the reserve rolls, not being stricken until 25JUL89. The navy also has other aircraft sharing names with ships: << Interesting. When I heard the quote in that Admiral's speech about the F18 being named for the ship, it did sound too tidy. This gives me hope, then, that there may be yet another USS Hornet.... s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Chris Langtree's opus in SMML 1193 My response to Chris Langtree's well stated remarks on adverserial terminology in the the 1193 List is "Yea, and verily"! I earnestly hope Mr. Langtree's admirable attitude would become a global anthem, but alas, I know better. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: ICM Hood I look at it this way...I may be hanging upside down from a yardarm, but this is my logic... If ICM decides to charge more than $125 for the Hood, lots of people will not buy the kit because: (a: they simply can't afford it, (b: It's just too damn much money and they feel they're being taken (c: they don't need one that badly. Anyone who buys a kit that pricey and doesn't add the PE to it is in the minority of ship modelers anyway, at this day & age, so add another $20 - $50 for a PE set... While I know for a fact that you can expect to get a finite number of pulls from a resin mold, and molds and resin cost money, that once you've tooled a steel mold for injection casting, you can run that mold through thousands of units. I wonder if Monogram's 1/48 B-17G, or the Revell Arizona, has ever been retooled? Even if they have been, they've certainly paid for themselves.... That being said, it would make more sense to me to run 2500 units at $95 then it would to run 1000 units at $199. Chances are they'll sell more kits at $95 then they will at $199. Having done the resin thing myself, there are added expenses, but I don't think it warrants an additional $100 or so of markup. It's obvious that ICM took a bath on the Konig and Grosser Kurfurst...that right there was their FIRST mistake. ICM screwed up strategically there, if they were smart, they would have released a sought after subject of the same rough size and complexity...say, Arizona/Pennsylvania, Scharnhorst/Gneisenau, Graf Spee. They could have bankrolled the profits from a kit like those listed above and set the stage...personally, I really like WW2 era ships...Konig and Grosser do absolutely nothing for me, especially since I knew nothing about those ships prior to their release from ICM. As a result, I'm one of those guys who probably won't buy one...but how many of you who bought one of these kits would have bought an Arizona, or a Scharnhorst, or a Spee? Probably alot more than those who bought Konig...It's a shame really, they shot themselves in the foot. Jeff Herne -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Steven P. Allen" Subject: Re: ICM Hood Kits Mike Bartel mkwb@excite.com SMML wrote: >> Generally, a new kit will sell most of what it is going to sell in the first year of availability. << Huh? I mean, excuse me? That's only true of limited runs. Consider the Revell kits as excellent counter-examples. . . . If your assertion were true, there would be no re-issues. Steve Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Supply and demand determines the price These are basic marketing terms I learned when I was in clollege. IF the ICM Hood is going to run $199.00, it has little to do with the cost of tooling, production, taxes, fees, or the price of tea in China. While these are definate factors in pricing models the real pricing is determined by the supply and demand for the product. Right now there is no supply of 1/350 Hoods or Essex's on the market. But there sure as hell is a demand for them. I gaurantee all of you if ICM thinks they can get $199.00 for thier Hood kit, they will. All of this price determination is done through market surveys. They pay companies to see if there is a demand before they produce these high dollar kits. Otherwise no one would risk millions of stockholders cash producing a kit no one would pay for. The result of such a stupid stunt would cost the CEO his/her job. The price (whatever it will be) will be determoned by the law of supply and demand. I gaurantee you they all believe it. Our natural gas prices in the mid west tripled over last years due to a low supply and increased demand. If you don't believe the law of supply and demand, ask anyone who lives in California after they see thier next electric bill. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: BAD decision at ICM >> And, Rusty, you know better. You may not want to spend $200 for a Hood, but you know it is not outlandish or price gouging for them to charge that much. I suspect that ICM took a bath on Konig, so they have to try to get some of that loss back by selling more units of a more generally popular prototype. << Sorry, your sole source of income for your product shouldn't pay for ICM's stupid decision to produce the Konig and her sister ship as thier first 1/350 ships kit. Let's face it, that was a sappy decision and the CEO should have been fired for that one. The Konig and Grober Kurfurst (sorry about the spelling) should have been left back for another day. If I were in charge at ICM, the Hood would have been number one on the list. There is a definate market and demand for the kit all over the world, especially in Europe. Why on Earth would they produce models of two so little known subjects? Then they take a bath (financally) on them and they are suprised? I have no problem with these two ships, just with the decision to produce them first. On top of that (according to you Gary) they expect thier customers to pay for thier bonehead financial mistakes and the cost of production on thier next kit! Do you know how to spell BANKRUPTCY? One more decision like that and everyone at ICM surely will. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: To Steve about those BB kits >> Its all a matter of perspective. If you have the money to spend on an item, then you will. If you dont, then you should not, or will not. Imagine me trying to sell my $300 battleship kits! << No way. Even if I had a million dollars (like you :-)) I wouldn't spend it on anything I felt wasn't worth the asking price. As I stated in my earlier post, kits from cottage industires (like yours) are far more accurate and detailed than any plastic kits in the same scale. They are also produced by hand with much more TLC than their plastic counterparts. So I feel they are worth what I pay for them. PS: Your 1/350 IJN BB's kick the crap out of ANY 1/350 plastic kit on the market. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Ken Youngstrom Subject: BB61 at the Panama Canal Good coverage of the IOWA transiting Miraflores locks. She doesn't look real spiffy. I wouldn't like to try to model that decking accurately! Off-loading the porta-potties kind of dampened the romance. A dead ship is a cold, cold thing, but it was nice to see her. It looked like some kind of container or trailer on the main deck between #1 and #2 turrets, shielded by a tarp laid over the barrels of turret 2. I wonder if that was living space for the crew? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Phil M. Gollin" Subject: Sunburn's and after Just a quick reply to Roland Mar re. his rejoinder on the Sunburn threat. First, he makes some good points, however, if I may add; 1: The "enemy" (theoretical) - can choose the point of engagement, this severely weakens some of the arguments. 2: Such aspects of detection such as the equivalent of "Sossus", will be more than capable of detecting individual ships let alone battlegroups. 3: The Russians claim, and I have not heard any credible official USN re-buttal that the Sunburn (and its ilk) were designed, and achieved, the performance to beat the AEGIS system. These missiles are now 15 years old, and their design is even older. As I said in yesterday's post, the latest blurb on the up-dating of the Standard missile talks much about the ability to counter Ballistic missiles, but neglects any claims about 15 year old actual missiles. 4: F-14s are disappearing assets, and again the Sunburn was designed with them in mind. 5: The point I was trying to make was that whilst it is amusing to think about future options, we are no better informed (at least openly) about the whys and wherefores of the future CVN choice than many, if not most, others. The important aspect is to ensure that the people who do have the responsibility have the right information and are un-biased in the decision making. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Paul Reyes" Subject: 1/350 Gearing Class Hello Smml's, I have been reading the smml page and have benefited from some great information. Thanks all for the historic and in depth material on ship. I am sharing this information with all my friends. For my question. I am building a diorama of an unrep refuel between an AO and a Destroyer. It is a retirement present for a Fire Chief that I work with that was a LTJG On the USS Taluga T-AO-62. It will be a refueling between the USS Hamner DD 718 the ship I served on. I have the AO, bought it on Ebay. It is actually a T2 but I think I can alter it with plans I have from the Floating Dry dock. What I don't have is the Gearing Destroyer. I am looking for it in Plastic in 1/350 scale. 1/400 would actually be the right scale but I have never seen a Gearing kit in this scale. Any help that can be given would be great. If someone has a plastic Gearing they could sell me please contact me by email. Thanks again and keep up the good work. Sincerely SM 2 Paul Reyes (Still learning ship modeler) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: USN verses Newfoundland >> PS What about USS Georgie Girl for the CVNX? It could be for any of the seemily endless George Bush's who is/was president and takes care of the male/female ship thing!!!! (Apologies to The Seekers) << Thanks a lot, Steve. Now that song is going to be rattling around in my head for the next two hours. :-) As for names for the next CVN, I prefer the traditional names. I would like to see another Shangri-La. Politicians get enough highways, buildings, etc. named after themselves. Hmmmmm, we could name prisons after the politicians, as long as we get to incarcerate them there. Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: wem Subject: Re: ICM HOOD Like Gary, I've been staying on the sidelines of this discussion. However, Gary wrote: >> That said, how many of you folks who have been going on at great length about Hood and Essex actually laid down your money for a Konig/Grosser Kurfurst? What do you expect ICM to do for money to pay for the tooling for Hood, and after that, where is the money to come from to pay for the Essex. << I'm afraid I have to take exception to that logic. Just because a manufacturer chooses to produce a kit that isn't likely to sell large numbers (as compared to, say, a WW2 subject) and that I don't want, doesn't obligate me to purchase it just so they can recover their tooling costs and--maybe--produce something I do want. As far as I'm concerned, the choice of KONIG/GROSSER KURFURST reflected lack of market analysis. At White Ensign, Dave and Caroline (and now me) have looked long and hard at every subject they've produced, and analyzed marketability. No matter how much any of us would personally like to see a specific subject produced, if it isn't likely to sell well, it doesn't happen. >> Any discussions I have engaged in about the production of injection molded 1:350 ship kits start at about $100,000 and go up from there. And that is all out front money, they can't sell any units until the entire kit is completed. If my math is accurate, $100,000 revenue from Konig equates to about 1100 units at $89.00 per unit sold, and we know that ICM doesn't get all the $89 either, so actually they needed to sell about 2500 units of Konig to break even. Did everybody on this list buy two units? (plus somebody had to buy 4 to cover for me) I really doubt it. << While we're on the subject of production costs, the average 10 years ago was about $1,500 per part for injection-molded plastic kits. If the HOOD kit has (or is to have) 650 parts, you do the math and figure out how much they have to sell just to break even. >> And, Rusty, you know better. You may not want to spend $200 for a Hood, but you know it is not outlandish or price gouging for them to charge that much. I suspect that ICM took a bath on Konig, so they have to try to get some of that loss back by selling more units of a more generally popular prototype. << More units, yes; but it doesn't follow that one then gets to jack up the price on a given model to subsidize one that didn't sell well! I can guarantee you that White Ensign--and every other resin manufacturer--has had at least one kit that didn't meet sales expectations. Those kits that follow are priced fairly to recoup production costs and provide a reasonable profit--not to recoup the costs of what came before. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: ICM HOOD pricing... wow, this thread is getting really interesting. I remember when the ENTERPRISE CVN65 came out years ago, it was priced up here at $239/00 plus taxes and I (we) groaned, but, BUT I scrimped and saved, and cut back on a lot of things, took less women out fewer times, but the day I bought it and took her home, I never regretted it at all. Look at todays prices for that Tamiya 48th scale Swordfish. Its $100.00 up here. The wann-have-its are buying them, they are selling them at all the ships here. However, I will make one thing perfectly clear, I will sure wait till everyone else has bought theirs, cracked open the boxes and critiqued the kit for accuracies or otherwise, and if the kit is a freakin dog, I wont buy it, but if it gets A 1 reviews, by jeez, I will be there with my credit card. Its all how you percieve it as Steve Wiper says. Rusty, you will buy one, eventually, we are addicted to this hobby god bless us all, and even if I never build it, they will have to pry it out of my cold dead fingers......... Yours aye, Ray d. Bean Wpg, Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "VanBuren, Peter M" Subject: Hobby Stores in Tokyo After seeing the productive responses about where to shop in Taipei, I thought I'd ask for SMMLer's suggestions for Tokyo. I'll be in Tokyo for a few days and would appreciate any advice on good model stores (ships of course emphasized if possible!) in Tokyo. I'll be close to Shibuya, so anything in that area would be especially helpful. With some type of pre-arrangement, is it possible to tour the Tamiya or other facilities (though they all seem to be outside the city)? FYI, I live in Seoul, Korea and would be a happy to offer advice for anyone heading this way. The short version is that I have found several reasonable hobby shops, all good, none great. An Academy "main store" carries most of their line at below US-mail order prices. Most shops have Tamiya at about US mail order prices though those can vary because the fluctutations of three currencies (the US dollar, the Korean Won and the Yen) can swing the costs widely. One really nice thing (which I noticed is also standard in Japan) is that most boxes are not sealed in plastic. Within the tolerance limits of the shopkeepers, you can open the boxes and look at the sprues in their bags. A very nice thing. There is an excellent war museum, largely devoted to the Korean War. Outside are displayed lots of hardware, including a B-52! There are some smaller local subs "modeled" at about 10 meters in length. The museum has a medium-sized display area devoted to current Korean military with some nice large scale models of current ships, though the emphasis throughout the museum is on ground and air forces. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: HAZEGRAYADM@aol.com Subject: Re: ICM Hood prices Before I get all uptight about the price of ICM's kits, I think I'll wait until they're actually here to see at the hobby shop. FSM quoted the (Upcoming ) price of the Hood as $129 with the Essex as $149. Not that these kits are sold by weight, but they both will be 30 inches long. With the resin equivalent kit being twice or more the investment, I still wonder if the $199 price is a mistake. IF the Essex is an ACCURATE kit, I'll spend what's left of my retirement checks with no hesitation at all! If it's a 1/350 scale version of the 1/700 Hasegawa kit, then I might try one, but only if I win the lottery. Bert McDowell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: New WSW Kits I just received the WSW kits of the German "Flottentorpedoboote". There are three different kits: - T-23, a long bridge version with early war armament, - T-28, a short bridge version with late war armament, - T-35, a late war modified hull version with increased AA armament ("Barbara"). These are the first WSW kits with PE parts. There's a brass frame with shields for the light AA guns, radar antennas, the cross-yard, boats cradles, and railings. Also, there is a small German War Flag included. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: DRPREUL@aol.com Subject: J & D Production Announcement As we had mentioned at the end of last year, we would be placing some of our parts and hulls on the market at the being of this year. NOW AVAILABLE!!!!!!!!!! Hulls - all come with full shell plating casted into the hull 1/96 scale hulls Fiberglas USS TERROR Class (CM-5 through CM-7) $300.00 1/96 scale hulls Resin casting 4 Stack Destroyer $175.00 1/192 scale hulls resin casting USS Indianapolis (CA-35)-----Includes strenghtening panel, butt plates, port holes,sea chest and over 8,000 rivets casted into the hull. $275.00 USS Baltimore (CA-68 through CA-71) square stern fully plated $300.00 Brooklyn Class (CL's) fully plated $275.00 Packaging and shipping will be additional. E-mail orders to jdproduct@aol.com Photo's of hulls will be on our website soon for you to see. Regards Don Preul J & D Production, LLC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Bill Gruner Subject: Kits, books in stock We will have the W-R Press book Royal Navy Camouflage of WW2, Part II, in stock by tomorrow or Thursday. Also have 2 Classic Warships 1/350 resin Classic Warships USS Quincy (1942), and 1 waterline version of same. We have a re-stock on Tom's modelwork's BALAO/GUPPY 1/350 resin kit...up to 5 different conversions possible. I have a kit of French liner NORMANDIE by Ideal Toy Co., copyright 1935. It is a balsa hull model, complete and original, box still in good condition, (bottom torn in a couple of places). Scale appears, by my calculations, to be 1/378. It still has the original packing paper, etc. This kit would be a nice collector item, but would take a lot of work to build it as the hull has to be finish carved and shaped, and nearly everything else made from stock materials, mostly wood strips. Metal boats & davits and some other parts are in bags. I have never seen another one of these. If you are seriously interested, please call me (NO e-mail on this item, please). Thank you, Bill Gruner Pacific Front Hobbies 541-464-8579 Mon-Fri 11am -5:30 pm PST -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume