Subject: SMML VOL 1201 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:21:08 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Royal Baby 2: I thought I asked ... (but my e-mail was screwed up) 3: Re: I thought I asked... 4: Chinese Rhetoric 1/350 USS Arleigh Burke 5: Re: SSN "Greeneville" mystery 6: Re: Lindberg 7: Re: WOG 8: Re: Blue Ridge 9: Re: USS Greenville 10: Re: Anchor Chain 11: Re: Lindbergh Hood- The "Ed Wood" of Hood Models... 12: PT Boat gear 13: flight simulator 14: Re: Mikasa 15: Re: Andy Jones-Battleship Mikasa 16: WEM 1/700 HMS Ajax PE fret? 17: Re: Friedrich Kappes -updates & new guestions 18: Re: CV Charles Lindbergh 19: Kreigsmarine 20: Hobby shops in Salt Lake City 21: USS Greenville Mystery 22: CV Charles Lindbergh? 23: Tamiya 1/400 scale Kits 24: Re: Hi-Mold Sussex -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: WSW/B-Resina kits from the company formerly known as Rocky Mountain Shipyard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Paul Reyes Subject: Re: Royal Baby David, I stand corrected 35 years call dull an old SM's memory. It is the Royal Baby not King Neptune. I guess when your cold and wet and stink like garbage you forget the small things. Sigs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: I thought I asked ... (but my e-mail was screwed up) "Ned Barnett" wrote: >> Lindberg Hood - any good? 1/400 has a nice ring, but Lindberg is noted for their dogs (some, admittedly are AKC registered dogs) ... Are there after-market parts that would make it better (i.e., worth the effort to build it)? << You'd need aftermarket nearly-everything. As Lindberg dogs go, this one barks louder than most. http://www.quuxuum.org/rajens_list/shiprevs.html#LindHood >> Also now out - Lindberg Tirpitz in 1/350 - I presume this is the same as the old Bismarck I built as a tad in high school, << Yup. Same kit, different box art. >> sometime in the middle of the last millennia ... memory fades, but this one seemed to steal all the Milk Bones - the poodle hated that ship << The Lindberg Bismarck/Tirpitz is really bad too. http://www.quuxuum.org/rajens_list/shiprevs.html#LindBis David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | http://home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Alan Simon Subject: Re: I thought I asked... Ned, Built Lindberg's Hood and Bismarck years ago - as operating toys for my young son and daughter. As far as scale models go, quoting David R. Wells, "Hold your nose!" We developed this swimming pool game: Need two players (Captains); Dad is referee (Admiral). Whichever ship physically strikes the other more times wins (each strike is a point) a, say, 10 minute engagement. Variation - launch Lindberg 1/300 USS Holt (DE) on neutral convoy duty (it is, of course, early 1941). Each contact with Holt (whether "intended" or not) means loss of one point. Happy modeling, Alan Simon Atlanta, Ga. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Kerry L. Jang" Subject: Chinese Rhetoric 1/350 USS Arleigh Burke Dave Riley wrote: >> "The ship Taiwan won't be able to buy." "Taiwan's empty dream." "Taiwanese independence means war." I have never in the past purchased any model made in China, and this article confirms what I think is the correct decision. And for sure, now I never will. I intend to post this message on SteelNavy.com in addition to SMML. << Dave, Relax! Its just silly propoganda. Don't let it get to you. I know China-US tensions are high right now but consider the source of the comments and the reasons. Just as the US had a civil war to reunite your country, China is still in some ways, still engaged in one. Taiwan is "independent" now simply because that is where Chiang Kai-Shek and the Nationalists fled after losing the mainland to the Communists. Red China has been busy regaining its lost territories, such as Hong Kong and Macao when it was legally premissable (after the expiration of a lease), but have honoured all agreements made by the old Ch'ing Dynasty government in pre revolutionary (pre-1911) China out of national pride. Many people of Chinese origin feel very passionate about these lost territories, hence the rhetoric on the kit box. Even in Chinese school here in Vancouver, we were taught all about "China's Shame" (and our teachers at the time were Koumintang!). You must also remember that although the Communists dream of taking Taiwan, the Koumintang on Taiwan (thou' currnetly not in power at the moment) dream and teach their kids about taking the mainland back too. Will you feel the same way about buying Canadian maple syrup if Quebec unilaterally separates from Canada and the scenario of Canada sending in the troops to control our "renegade la belle province"... I recall several years ago some people suggested that the RCN should invade the the islands of St. Pierre and Michelon, now held by the French, but passionatly claimed by Canada. No wonder we bought the BRITISH subs again, not FRENCH ones... ;-) Cheers, Kerry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Percy_John@emc.com Subject: Re: SSN "Greeneville" mystery Well, there really isn't too much mystery as to how it could happen: human error or instrument error. It happens all the time. Most of the time, it doesn't matter, but every once in a while.... My question is this. I believe US territorial waters extend 12 miles from shore. I believe the incident occured at 9 miles. If this is true, what in the world was a Japanese fishing vessel, in this modern day and age of GPS, etc, doing 3 miles in US waters, and why is nobody asking this question? John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Lindberg >> No way is the Navy going to name a carrier after a Army flier. << I stayed away from this before, but here goes; now should they name one after a Nazi sympathizer!! Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Jeremiah C." Subject: Re: WOG WOG= Water, oil, gas. Stenciled or cast in/on fittings and containers. Denotes service ability. Semper, jeremiah -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Jeremiah C." Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Amphibious Force Flagships AGC 2 USS BLUE RIDGE Built Kearny shipyard, 3/43, scrapped 1961. 7,430 tons, 435' (WL) 4591/4' (OA) x 63 x 24. 1-shaft geared turbine, SHP 6,000 =16.4 knots Armament: 2-5" open mounts, 8-40 mm AA. Complement: 633 Looks like a small freighter. Plans are probably available from Floating Drydock. Semper, jeremiah... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: dlfowler@apple.com Subject: Re: USS Greenville Hello D.P., I was stationed for a time at the US Coast Guard Small Boat Station in Honolulu Hawaii. The Pacific ocean is indeed a very large pond but the waters around the south shore of Oahu are very small indeed. With the ports of Honolulu and Pearl Harbor right next to each other and being such a popular tourist and liberty port there is a tremendous amount of traffic in the area. There wasn't a week that I was there when we didn't have a collision of some sort. Most were minor but there were some that were rather nasty. I am not a submariner so I can not speak as to why it was operating so close to the shore but when I read the news stories and the submarine reported that it was tracking four contacts, I was not surprised that it was tracking that many but that it was tracking that few! On a similar note and also related to the recent events in China: A Soviet surveillance ship had an unfortunate encounter with a US naval ship in US territorial waters off of Pearl Harbor. Both ships were damaged and the US naval ship returned to Pearl Harbor. The Soviet ship needed immediate repairs and so sailed into Honolulu harbor. While there the Coast Guard stations small boats around the ship to keep the public away and to give any sailors who wanted a chance to jump ship (no one ever did) (we also had a thriving jeans for vodka and other goods business). However, the Soviet ship, although it had collided with an American warship within US territorial waters and was covered with antennas and domes, was treated as Soviet territory and we wouldn't even touch the brow. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Anchor Chain >> What I really need to know is what is the inside diameter of the hawse pipes? << Gary, Are you kidding? I dont know, but an educated guess would say they would have to be about twice the diameter of the arm of the anchor, as these were often pulled up into the hawse pipe opening. So, Gary, how big is the arm of the anchor? Riddle me this! Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Frank Allen Subject: Re: Lindbergh Hood- The "Ed Wood" of Hood Models... Hi Ned You asked about the Lindberg Hood. Although a great/fun toy, it is without doubt the worse kit of Hood ever released. It would take ALOT of work to get it even remotely accurate. If I were you I'd just save up some money and get the ICM kit when it comes out @this summer. Hmmm...now that I think about it, I guess it would have been more correct to call it the "Plan 9" of Hood models (or another dreadful film, though not by Ed Wood- the "Zardoz" of Hood models...) BTW- If you need to see photos of what the Lindberg box contents are like, just check out the Hood website's Lindberg Hood review (accessed via the "Hood Today" section...just click on the "Scale Models & Miniatures" button and then select the Lindberg kit from the list). Frank Allen http://hmshood.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Mark C Krumrey" Subject: PT Boat gear Greetings listees: I too would like to see aftermarket accessories for the Revell PT-109 kit. This kit is always available at a reasonable price, and as the previous listee mentioned pretty much is a decent kit, and a good base to go from for further modifications, for the 80' elco's. I think some of the additional weapons could be gotten through Floating Dry Dock, or military kits, such as the 60mm mortar, and some of the rocket tubes. But, some resin torpedoes and their associated racks, Depth charges, the different masts with their associated radars, and a decal sheet with numbers, squadron insignia and "names", as some boats had names too, would be a welcome addition. I also got some after market HO Diesel Detailing sets, and they provide nice brass grab rails, and a decent looking horn for the forward "cab". I am sure that sheet plastic, or Plastruct could be used for the differnt masts, gun mountings, splinter shields, and that 1/72nd scale bombs could be cut and spliced to make some of the radar domes. The possibilities are endless. Mark Krumrey New Richmond WI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Andy Anderson" Subject: flight simulator Ahoy shipmates! I just got a Microsoft WWII Combat Flite Sim--Pacific War and it is great. The whole South Pacific is there and you can fly navy planes from a carrier deck! You can go Japanese or American. ----great stuff!! Andy Anderson Fifth Grade -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "David Hathaway" Subject: Re: Mikasa There is a 1:400 card model of the Mikasa available. Either to be made as paper or you could (heresy) use it as a template for plastic parts. David Hathaway info@papershipwright.co.uk www.papershipwright.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Andy Jones-Battleship Mikasa Andy writes: >> I have a question for you all. In the program they visited the preserved Mikasa in Japan. I'll admit my ignorance. I didn't know she was even preserved but, is there a kit made of her. Any scale considered, any medium considered. I would prefer 1/350th but that I suspect would be too much to ask. << ****The only 1/350 scale Mikasa is a resin kit by Japanese manufacturer which is VERY expensive and hard to get. I would advise you to buy SealsModels 1/700 Mikasa which is a really good looking plastic injected kit which is a much easier medium than Hi-Molds resin one. Kit can be bought throu KitLink and will cost you, with shipping, around 45 US dollars. Any way,since the beginning of XX century shps are my main interest and I do have Sealsmodels Mikasa if you would have any more question in this matter feel free to contact me off list. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Chris Drage" Subject: WEM 1/700 HMS Ajax PE fret? HI Mike, >> would you guys be willing to release your 1/600 HMS Ajax PE fret in 1/700 for these kits? How many orders would you need to financially justify doing this? If there was sufficient demand from SMMLiedom, would you do it? And how many SMMLies out there would be interested in this? << Oh Yes...count me in! Regards Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo kupu kaore e taea te karo (Te reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Friedrich Kappes -updates & new guestions Friedrich writes: >> Hi, I search for the following information, can you help once again? << Hi Friedrich, I do not have all the answers,but I can prowide few. All info about Japanese ships is from "Warships of the Imperial Japanese Navy, 1869-1945" by H.Jentschura, D.Jung and P.Mickel; Arms & Armour Press ISBN 0 85368 151 1. >> 1-Fushimi (Japanese river gunboat, WWI) line drawing, date of commission << No line drawings,commisoned ,it appears,twice-once in 1906 and second time presumably after reasembly at Shanghai in 1907.page 120 of the book. >> 2-Kamoi (Japanese seaplane carrier) dates and pictures of all conversion, esp. the reconversion to an oiler in 1943 << Completed as oiler in 1922;converted to seaplane carrier in 1932/33 (comissioned June 1933); stern modified and German recovery gear and crane installed 1936/37; flying boat tender 1940; reclassified as oiler again in 1943. No photos but side view line drawing from 1934 and few details from 1933 and 1941. page 64. >> 3-Kanko (Japanese sloop 19th century): date of commission, career << Launched 1852 and completed as Dutch warship "Soembring" by Amsterdam DY, given to Shogun Iesada by the King of Netherlands, arrived in Japan in 1855 and was renamed "Kanko" and rated as corvette. Trainig ship for the Shogunate fleet at Edo,joined the Government fleet in 1868 and was incorporated into Imperial Navy in 1869. Broken up in 1876. page 88 >> 4- Kanrin (Japanese sloop 19th century) : date of commission, career << Build by Fop Smit van Kinderdijk (Netherlands), launched in 1856 and completed as "Japan" in1857. Delivered to Japan in August 1857 and renamed "Kanrin" (Maru???).Made first trans-Pacific crossing by Japanese ship in 1860 (visited San Francisco). Machinery was replaced in 1866 and in 1868 served under rebel leader Enomoto; recaptured near Shimoda in April 1868 by Government vessel "Fuji" (referred sometimes as "Fujiyama"), Musashi and Hiryu and taken over by Ministry of Finance. By 1872 used as transport and wrecked on this year near Hokkaido, later broken up. page 88. >> 5-Lothringen (German minelayer 1942) range << "Jane's Fighting ships of WWI" gives the range (at the time) as 5500 miles at 10 knots. >> 6-Okinoshima (Japanese minelayer WWII) line drawing << A photo on page 200 but no line drawing. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: CV Charles Lindbergh >> No way is the Navy going to name a carrier after a Army flier. << You mean like they didn't name the Eisenhower after an Army General?? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: royrichey@att.net Subject: Kreigsmarine Looking for any-one out there that has done, or is doing a large scale (I'm doing 1/96) Scharnhorst or Gneisenau to compare notes. My Gneisenau hull is almost finished (after 2 years on and off) and the superstructure is roughed out. Interested in comparing detailing notes. Roy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Wilgossett@aol.com Subject: Hobby shops in Salt Lake City Greetings all: I thoroughly enjoy reading the newsletters and it's amazing to note the resources out there in the world. I'm going to be in Salt Lake City for a few days early next week and wondered if a decent shop is there that has a good selection of ship models? Thanks for your help. Will -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: USS Greenville Mystery No mystery to me Halsey told them to keep their $%^&*$# ships away from Pearl Harbor and that's all. Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Ned Barnett" Subject: CV Charles Lindbergh? From: "David O'Neal" >> No way is the Navy going to name a carrier after a Army flier. << They named a ship after an Army General and a Mississippi Senator ... and Lindbergh was only nominally "Army" - and flew combat with both the USAAF and the USMC in WW-II (so name it after him for his Corsair combat flights ) Hi all, Ummm, wouldn't the USS Eisenhower be named after the President rather than the general ;-� Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Peter K. H. Mispelkamp Subject: Tamiya 1/400 scale Kits >> I had a Tamiya 1:400 MAYA up until recently, when I sold it. These kits were OK, even for the time they were released and the market for which they were intended (the bathtub crowd). The kits didn't have moulded-on railings, which was a plus. The kits marketed by Paramount and Nippon Hobby of the Mogami class did, however, and were more crude than the Tamiya kits. Another nice thing about the Tamiya kit was that it included the alternate parts to represent the MAYA after one of her 8" turrets was removed and replaced with an AA platform. The full complement of 8" turrets was still there, too, so you could build it either way. Great foresight for a 1960's kit! I spoke with a Tamiya representative over from Japan a couple of years ago and asked him about the 1:400 cruisers. He said that they do not destroy old tooling, so I think there always is a chance that someone else might re-release them, if Tamiya doesn't. However, I don't think this is likely, as the kits are too crude by modern standards to be accepted in today's market. But, this is just my opinion. After all, Revell has been reissuing their older kits for the past ten years and some of those are in even worse shape than the 1:400 cruisers. Maybe Tamiya could reissue the cruisers as part of a 'nostalgia' series. And, they did reissue those 1:300 scale Japanese destroyers recently, didn't they? So, you never know. Perhaps there might be some money in a reissue- I got $300 for that MAYA kit- and I sold it back to the guy I bought it from in the first place! (He REALLY wanted it back!) << Mike: You got a lot further than I did. I exchanged emails with a Tamiya Customer rep who first denied that Tamiya had ever released either the 1/300 scale DD's or the 1/400 scale IJN cruisers! I pointed him to the HobbyLink Japan website, and he then explained that the 1/300 scale DD's were a promotional item whose re-release that had virtually nothing to do with Tamiya! I have looked over my CA instruction sheet, and judging by the prices of the kits and numbers, Tamiya might have a hand in the 1/400 scale releases of the Tone (Tones?), Mogami's as well. Unfortunately, I cannot read Japanese, so I will have to keep on guessing! I for one wish that they had re-released the cruisers instead of the DD's - I suspect that 1/400 scale kits would have sold better - at least so far as I am concerned! If anyone from Tamiya is looking at this list, my message is " if you release it, it will sell". Since you know about the Hobby and Paramount kits, can you confirm that there was a 1/400 scale Mikuma kit with 5 twin 8" turrets? Also, do remember anything about the UPC 1/400 line, namely was there a USS New Jersey (Korean/Viet Nam fit) and USS Missouri (WWII fit?) in their line? I suspect that these old kits are the basis for the current Arii/Kangnam kits. If they are, they may be some hope for us 1/400 scale diehards yet. Sincerely Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Mitsuaki Kubota Subject: Re: Hi-Mold Sussex Hi Art, The Hi-Mold Sussex kit represents after 1942 refit configurations. The kit has twin 4" guns, and after tripod mast is located aft of after control tower. I'm sorry to say, the kit doesn't match with Devonshire in her early war fitting. But you can make good Devonshire model with modifying the shelter deck, after control tower and scrutch build eight single 4" gun. (Basically the Hi-Mold Sussex is crisply molded good kit, but contains no camo instruction sheet. Also it has same hull with Dorsetshire kit (early '30's fit as Art mentioned), and modellers should fill putty to lower portholes if you want to build correct model. Small fittings like 4" gun, topedo tube or boat davit are metal. The Pom-Pom guns in the kit are quadruple. To the best of my knowledge, the real Sussex had 8 burreled multiple Pom-Poms. The kit PE parts contain crane and diagonal support for upperworks, but no catapult or radar fits. I think the kit resin and metal parts are very good and flawless. But the other media (instruction sheet, PE) are not good as one packaged model.) Best regards, Mitsuaki Kubota http://www.hig.tocolo.or.jp/hmdock/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: rms Subject: WSW/B-Resina kits from the company formerly known as Rocky Mountain Shipyard I am now retailing kits from WSW/B-Resina. We have a web site listing all of the available kits, our very competive prices and all information necessary for ordering. Site address: www.wic.net/~rms/ Purchase orders will be placed once a month. The next purchase order will be faxed on 26 April. For more information go to my web site or e-mail off list: rms@wic.net Thanks! Lisa D. 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