Subject: SMML VOL 1208 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:46:00 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: LCI(l) 2: EP3s 3: Chinese Boykott 4: Appology to those effected (infected) 5: ELINT and missions in general 6: Skytrex 7: To Mike Bartel 8: Re: BP T 2 Colors 9: Re: Get Thee Hence ... ? 10: Waldron Model Products 11: Re: China 12: Re: T-2 BP Tankers 13: Re: VA Hobby Shop 14: Re: Chinese Boykott 15: Valve wheels 16: R.E. Lee Steamboat Kit 17: Re: EP-3 Orions 18: Acrylic paints for airbrushing 19: Re: Malcolm and Cricket? 20: Re: Semantics 21: EP-3 Origins 22: Re: BP T-2 colors 23: EP-3 and spying 24: Making Wind Blown Sails 25: Malcolm & cricket 26: Re: Royal Navy's Type 42 Question -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: APMA meeting on Easter Saturday -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: 1/144 scale Yorktown CV-5 2: Model Ship Journal Shipped -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Hi all, Lorna and I would like to wish everyone on SMML a happy Easter & hope you all enjoy the holidays. We'd also like to propose an Easter truce on the whole "Chinese thread", especially since the USN aircrew have been released and are on their way home to their families for the holidays. Our thoughts go out to them & to all those who serve their countries at this time, away from their families & friends. Regards, Shane & Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: Re: LCI(l) Hi Guys, Thanks for all the input on this type. The subject is USS LCI(L)-1022. I guess that puts it in the round bridge configuration. Just finished a DMS conversion to a four stacker for a guy. Came out real nice. Its a present for his dad who served on it. (Southard DMS-10) I'll send a pic or two to Mike D. for posting on smml website. Well it turns out the dad also served on the LCI. I'm a sucker for building a model for a vet. You should have seen the look on a guys face when I showed him the model of PC 1081 in the USS Salem's model exhibt. He hadn't seen one since he left his in '45. Now I'm gonna see about some pics of the LCI. Thanks again, John Frohock USNSM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: EP3s Hi Craig I think they started appearing in the early eighties but I could be wrong. What I want to know is what does an NP3 do? To all those advocating a boycott now that the incident has been resolved don't you feel a bit ashamed about your juvenile attitudes and statements. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: NEVENGER@aol.com Subject: Chinese Boykott I really feel I must reply to Falk Pletscher commit of "Try to see it the other way: Stop spying around other people's home and there will be no hostages who got caught creeping around the back door!" First of all it happened in international waters. And what the hell were the Chinese pilots doing flying so close to a propeller driven plane. Lets see its the Fault of the US because a Chinese pilot miss judged when he flew up from under the US plane to perform what is called thumping (a rather risky act to start with). Or lets look at this another way. Perhaps the US really should stop watching others. I mean like why do we waist so much money policing the world to help others who are so ungrateful. Most do not care when the US hurts itself to help others. Plus I am sure China is having a grand old time taking apart the plane that in my guess they may have forced to land where it did. You say we should not be around there well it is kinda strange that someone would say that when you consider that Japan and South Korea, plus Taiwan all fear what China may have in plan for them one day. So perhaps you are correct lets tell China we are so sorry and will not interfere if they want to expand into other countries. Remember China is a country that had no problem gunning down a few hundred thousand of it own college kids because they did not agree with there government. Thus I support a Boycott of Chinese products. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Appology to those effected (infected) I had received several emails from members of this list warning me I had a virus in my computer after they had discovered it in their emails from me. I did a virus scan when I heard this but my Norton program discovered nothing. I wrote back assuring them it couldn't have come from my computer. Well, I'm sorry to say you guys were right. I failed to download the latest virus definitions from the Norton sight and my computer was indeed infected. By this time it had infected a number of files including the file used to send emails. In other words anyone I emailed was sent the virus. If you deleted the spam before opening it, you didn't get the virus. I want to apologize to everyone this may have effected. It wasn't a "vicious" virus. More a "pain in the butt" virus invented by some mental deficient to send spam all over the Internet. In short, any spam sent to me automatically went everyone on my mailing list. I can only assume once the spam was opened the same thing would occur over and over causing lots of people to get spam from my computer without my knowingly sending it. I would advise everyone to do a virus scan and your program should be able to clean it from your system. If you wait too long as I did, you will have to have a specialist clean up the mess. Once again, sorry for the problems. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "O'Connor" Subject: ELINT and missions in general SMMLies, As I read many of the submissions with interest, it is amazing the number of viewpoints on the same issue. I appreciate the varied political and social sentiments. It is important to note (as we are apparantly succeeding in the return of our EP-3 crew) that ELINT missions are a part of modern (cold) warfare. Make no mistake- this is a new cold war, not dissimilar to the last one with our old Soviet friends. Anyone out there who thinks not, needs to compare the growing political and military posturing taking place in the PAcific Rim area to what occured for forty-some years in Europe. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong- only that it is actively taking place, as evidenced by the occurences of the last 10 days. Forget the trade activities of our two nations. Anyone can see that the military importance of Tiawan, the security of Japan and South Korea, and the economic importance of retaining these and other Asian nations within the US Sphere of Influence is of more vital importance than trade potential with a potential opponent. I give you one word-- OIL. Asian oil, in the South China Sea and elsewhere in the region. Our last war was an oil war, (as was, arguably at least, VietNam) as will most succeeding wars, I fear. Sabre rattling and rhetoric are part of the new cold war, as are ELINT activities. We do it- they do it. It is accepted practice. Call it spying, intelligence gathering or surveillance - hell, call it a game. Thats what it is- part of the dangerous game of one-upsmanship which goes with the environment our two nations have chosen to pursue. There will always be such incidents- F. Gary Powers, The Cuban Missile crisis, the Mayaguez incident, and a hundred more we have never, and will never, hear of. I suggest we not talk of Chinese product boycotts- there ARE too many of those products to be successful with a boycott. Besides, the restaurant I eat at is too good to give up, and the owners are Chinese-Americans in good standing. Just because thier many products originate from the old country does not make them bad people, and I for one don't wish them ill will because of the actions of a government half a world away. Think about what you wish for- it might ruin someone in your neighborhood (remember Japanese internment?). Someone else on this list said that many of the plastic models we buy are molded in China- Are we going to put Pacific Front or Shaya Novak out of business for this?? Not likely, folks.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Chris Drage" Subject: Skytrex Dear Mike Bartel, As one who has not only built but also 'kit 'bashed' a Skytrex 1:700 model I can probably help you out here. The term 'kit' is really a farce as these models are an absolute doddle to put together - most of the detail is moulded onto the deck/superstructures to start with. This, of course, immediately presents the Skytrex range's biggest attribute and shortcoming in one go - if you are happy with the details you have an 'instant' model to paint and mount. However, if like me, you want to add that little extra detail or to improve on the model, you must be prepared to do a bit of hacking, grinding and filling etc. Your most useful tool will be a good quality ModelCraft drill with a number of burs (ask your dentist for his oldies). White metal is not so difficult to rework if you are careful. My first model was to converet the Skytrex Black Prince to a Diadem to accompany HMCSs Haida & Huron in my 'Channel Sweep - '44' diorama. I was pleasantly surprised by the results of adding plasticard, etch brass and rigging. Judge for yourself - the pictures are on the SMML website 'Splice the Mainbrace' and the Warship website gallery. The important point here for all SMMlies that in Skytrex we have a manufacturer who has focused primarily on wargaming models in other scales and is making this foray into 1:700 scale ships at their peril. They know that in order to maintain their development they will have to sell kits. What I am particularly pleased with is the company's obvious committment to 'get it right'. They admit that there have been some mistakes in scale and items but they are anxious to improve to produce a model that will please kit builders. There is talk of producing WWII UK submarines, harbour 'furniture' and ship detailing packs including etch brass. What we must not allow to happen is that due to lack of interest and apathy, we lose another manufacturer who has stuck its neck out for a minority market: us - the ship modellers of the world. I have no allegiance to any manufacturer but am happy to work with them all to improve, develop and stimulate new models. Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo......(Te Reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Loren Perry Subject: To Mike Bartel >> No war has been declared, the 24 crewmembers are apparently being treated well, the two sides are TALKING, not fighting, and guess what folks? We got caught spying. << Mike, get thee to a dictionary and learn the definition of "spying". In case you don't have one handy, it means to observe secretly, for hostile purposes. Now look up the definition of "surveillance". It means to watch over closely. In the future, please take note of these meanings before unjustly accusing our navy fliers of doing something illegal, will you? An EP-3 Aries is not a spyplane, Mike. It's a surveillance aircraft. Learn the difference. It gathers electronic intelligence. It does not have a sophisticated onboard aerial photography capability as a spyplane would. A U-2 is a spyplane. An SR-71 is a spyplane. Both were operated covertly on behalf of the CIA. The EP-3 is operated overtly by the U.S. Navy in plain sight of any and all who have radar. They do not fly secretly. They do not invade another country's sovereign airspace. The EP-3 was outside the internationally recognized 12 mile limit when the collision took place. They fly in broad daylight. Its presence was known to the Chinese well before the incident took place. EP-3's have been flying similar missions for many years and will continue to do so in coming years. You can learn more about the EP-3 Aries and its mission capabilities by looking it up in The Naval Institute Guide to the Ships and Aircraft of the U.S. Fleet by Norman Polmar. Your statement that we were "spying" with a "spyplane" is not only false, it's an insult to all U.S. Navy fliers as well as all other U.S. military airmen who risk their lives honorably in the service of their country. Loren Perry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: BP T 2 Colors I am not sure when BP Tankers switched from dark grey to black hulls but the former color appears to have been in vogue until at least 1959. The grey was very dark, appearing almost black in photographs, and approximates Humbrol 112 Tarmac. The waterline was red and other colors as described in earlier reply in SMML 1207. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Get Thee Hence ... ? >> Gosh, John's been over in Blighty for less than 6 months and he's already gone native on us! << One can only presume that Caroline's charms extend beyond the purveyance of resin and P.E. :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: Waldron Model Products Greetings: Does anyone have an address for Waldron Model Products? I would like to acquire a set of punches. Do any vendors on the list carry Waldron Products? Thanks, John Collins Atlanta, GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: dlfowler@apple.com Subject: Re: China Hello, I really wanted to ignore this thread but after reading Mike's comments I thought that perhaps there was a bit of disinformation that needed correcting: >> ...guess what folks? We got caught spying. They have a right to be angry. << I would hardly call flying in a fully marked aircraft in international airspace spying. The Soviets did it all the time around the US and NATO countries and the Russians still do to a lesser extent. The US did it all the time around the Soviet Union and still does around Russia to a lesser extent. The only reason that China has not is because they do not have the aircraft or technology to be capable of it. It was a surveillance aircraft not a spy aircraft and if the Chinese have a right to be angry it is only out of envy and not any sort of violation. They are the ones that violated international law (at which they have a lot of experience) and flew too close to slower moving aircraft in international airspace. On the personal side, making a decision not to purchase goods is not always a reaction of "negative emotion and xenophobia." Often times it is an action of personal responsibility motivated by the abhorrent behavior of a company or country. Shouldn't we have the right to make a statement about what we believe, even if is is a small statement? After all, we aren't in China... Regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "arthur buckland" Subject: Re: T-2 BP Tankers >> According to Talbot-Booth 1963 edition (too late for your needs?) BP tankers had grey hulls, red boot topping, and white masts, kingposts, and derricks. << You are correct John, by 1963 there were no longer any T-2 tankers in the BP fleet of 103 ships of 1000tonnes + registration. AFAIR, ESSO London was the only T-2 still in operaration in British waters, based out of Southampton. In 1945 most of the BP Fleet were changed out of wartime grey to a dull black hull with dark grey decks and white superstructure as they came in for dry-docking. This did not happen completely to the entire fleet, it depended on what stocks of paint were retained on board - these had to be exhausted before the new company colours were to be applied. The dark grey hull, light grey decks and white superstructure came into being in the late 50's, by which time the T-2's had all gone. I enquired as to the BP name of the vessel concerned as there were a few variations immediately after the war depending on her area of operation. Some T-2's were still in wartime grey when they went to the breakers yard. Art -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: VA Hobby Shop >> Anyone know any good shops along the Hagerstown-Winchester-Fredericksburg to Richmond route? I will be "retrieving" my mother from my sister's place in Richmond after Easter, and she always rewards me for chauffeur services << I think Richmond is exit 6 off the beltway, Grand-dad's is a good general hobby shop right off exit 5. He as a ship model isle. Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Chinese Boykott >> Try to see it the other way: Stop spying around other people's home and there will be no hostages who got cought creeping arround the back door! << I suppose that flying in international airspace is taboo now? What about our ships? Should we recognize the territorial claims of every nation, or stand by and enforce the limits recognized by international law and bodies? The next thing you know, we will not be able to access the Arabian Gulf because Iran and Oman collude to close it, or Egypt decides to close the Red Sea to all traffic this time, not just Israeli shipping, or Spain closes the Straits of Gibraltar through their control of Culeta on the African side? The plain (plane) facts are that it has long been recognized as appropriate to passively gather information about another country while remaining in neutral territory. Did the US stop Aeroflot flights to the US when they flew unauthorized over Groton and the aircraft were found to have hidden recon equipment aboard? I am sure that USAF VIP types, as well as those of other nations, have intelligence equipment aboard and they gather as much information as they can risk on every flight. I know Kruschev's plane had such gear when he came here in 1959, at least according to Soviet defectors, so why not ours? We have decided that freedom of navigation is a key issue, otherwise we could justify closing the Gulf of Mexico to air and sea traffic on a line between Fort Jefferson and Brownsville, a la the Gulf of Sidra. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: Valve wheels Another source of photoetched ship's valve wheels, in several sizes and spoke configurations, is BlueJacket Ship Crafters at: http://www.bluejacketinc.com Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild Tin Can Sailors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Paul Jordan Subject: R.E. Lee Steamboat Kit >> I just purchased an Ideal Robert E. Lee Steamboat (sidepaddler) kit (presumably, the same kit as Pyro, Revell, etc.). It did not come with an instruction sheet. Would someone be willing to scan or photocopy me a copy of one? Also, if there is a more appropriate list for me to post this question to, guidance in that direction would be appreciated. << John: I've taken the liberty of posting your email on the "Paddleducks@yahoo.groups.com" forum as they are "paddlewheeler only " modelers in any form or scale. I'll forward any replies to you. Regards Paul (Jordan) Moderator Paddleducks http://334648.home.icq.com//////index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: isublett@home.com Subject: Re: EP-3 Orions Re: Craig Bennett's quiry about the EP-3. I'd never heard of it either (not my period), but Hasagawa has a model out in 1/72. Talk about luck! Pirie Sublett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Vmclawyer@aol.com Subject: Acrylic paints for airbrushing SMML, Would appreciate any information as to acrylic paints for airbrush. Model Shipways offers a marvelous assortment of marine colors, but in admittedly a 1 & only experience, I couldn't get the paint thinned properly to work in my simple little airbrush. Am I [very likely] doing something wrong? Tried thinning w/both distilled water & rubbing alcohol. Other solvent[s] better results or just poor quality paint? Understand that Badger, Tamiya & Testors acrylic paints all work well w/airbrush, although haven't yet tried any of them yet. [Trying not to repeat mistake w/Model Shipways paints]. Tamiya colors look very dark in catalog. Badger paints look to be color authentic in catalog listings, but very limited color choices. Testor Website shows a wide range of available colors, but cannot relate their product code nos. to various authentic warship colors. Are there any useful references/rules of thumb to mixing authentic warship colors using available, good quality acrylic paints? Further to that point, any authoritative recommendations/rules of thumb as to appropriate degree to lighten for scale effect? Although I've no experience, what I've read so far + memories of building models as a kid both suggest that if you mix paint to match a color chip, then use on, say, a 1:350 scale model, the paint will appear far too dark. Novice questions from a novice modeler. Likely my questions all relate to a strong element of art in this hobby; however, any & all help offered would be welcomed & appreciated. Sorry about the wordy e-mail; old habits are hard to break. Thanks, Bill Bryant -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Shane Weier Subject: Re: Malcolm and Cricket? Paul has some odd ideas: >> Could it be that cricket survives because no one else wants to under stand the rules of the game (which I suspect Limeys change at their whim) so no one including their wives knows why they are running around, for day on end, wearing flannels in the summer? There isn't even any blood and gore! Not an American's game. << No gore? I wonder if you're aware that in cricket the batsmans body is a legitimate target for the bowler, and that the best fast bowlers armoury *always* includes the "bouncer" which is aimed at the batsmans throat or head? The ball is just as hard as a baseball, and bowled just as fast, but since it bounces before it gets to the batsman he only has a few yards and milliseconds to detect the line of flight of the ball and duck. Broken bones are common, especially fingers, toes and ribs. Naturally, injured players pretend not to be hurt - although when struck in the protector they drop like any man would who'd had a third ball added at 100mph. Incidentally, cricket is played by more people world wide than any other bat/ball sport, largely due to its' popularity in India, the worlds second most populous country. The just completed 3 match series between Australia and India drew reasonably big spectator crowds too - over 420,000 to the deciding match for example. I like baseball too - but cricket, ahhhhh yeah, now that's a sport for men. (now, back to building Konig!) Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Semantics >> We got caught spying. << Hi; Was trying to avoid this discussion, BUT. A properly marked national aircraft, in international waters, is hardly spying. It is called intelligence gathering. Putting one of your citizens in a "friendly" countrie's nuclear research facilities to secretly steal information is spying. Calling this spying has been a ploy of what used to be called yellow journalism. Today the media call it bussiness as usual, anything to draw readers/viewers and sell the commercials. And while we are on the subject - Why do we have to say we are sorry that a damaged aircraft had to land at the nearest base? What happened to humanitarianism? Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister http://www.egroups.com/group/WoodenWalls Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Colin Ritchie Subject: EP-3 Origins The EP-3 has been in use "legally" since the early 1970's when it replaced EC-121 aircraft in the ELINT/SIGINT role. Although the current airframes are conversions of the original P-3 airframes, avionics packages carried by the aircraft appear, from what's been disclosed, to be upgraded on an almost yearly basis, making them extremely sensitive listening posts, (I do hate the phrase Spy Plane) I said Legally above since an earlier version of the EP-3 was used on a covert basis by the CIA for China over flights in the mid 60's. These aircraft were black painted , and essentially unmarked. They appear to have had some self defensive capability, since one EP-3 is credited with a MiG shoot down during these missions. For a LOT more info on the Aries aircraft, see World air Power Journal, Winter 2000 I believe Colin Ritchie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: wem Subject: Re: BP T-2 colors And according to Talbot-Booth 1942: "Distinguishing features:--Hulls: Lighter grey now but a short time ago were very dark 'topside grey': appeared almost black at sea: vessels prior to this used to be painted in a lighter grey. Boot-topping: Red. Masts, Derricks, etc.: White." Funnels were red with a black top, and a green band flanked by white bands. That dark topside grey sounds a lot like AP507A to me.... John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Bergschöld Pelle Subject: EP-3 and spying Mr Bennet. Youll find some information on the EP-3 Aries on the following website: http://www.history.navy.mil/nan/2000/may-june/flightline1.htm I cannot however find any source telling when the first conversion was done, but I'd guess somewhere around 1990. Mr's Bartel and Pletscher. The EP-3 lost at Hainan was on a routine, very common and legal signals gathering mission. This is called "open intelligence" and performed by a lot of nations around the world, for instance the USN using the EP-3 Aries, the USAF the RC-135 Rivet Joint and TR-1. The UK has the Nimrods of the 51 sqn and my own country, Sweden has a few S102 Korpen (swedish designation for Gufstream IV meaning the raven) flying from F16, (16th wing). As long as they are performed in own or international airspace, its a fully legal businesss that has been performed since the early 1950-ies. No snooping around, really. The negative air of illegal business surrounding the word "spying" is, as I take it, not very applicable in this scenario. It is however not very good practice to keep the crew as the chinese has been doing, but I've now got the news that the crew is released and on their way home. Thats better sports. All the best Pelle SWE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Making Wind Blown Sails This is a post I made to rec.models.scale on on post discussing the Heller HMS Victory. >> I haven't built a square rigger since the Revell Constitution, the one that built up to about a foot long as memory serves me. Rigging that did bend the masts. But there is one thing that had always bugged me - the sails. The plastic wind filled sails that come with the kits are always too thick and look unrealistic which is perhaps why many modellers leave them off. This is one modelling solution I thought up but haven't tried it myself (cuz I haven't built another sailing ship yet). I am an armor guy these days. Use the original plastic sails as the master mold and make replacement sails out of tissue paper or paper towels. Lay the paper over the plastic sail and paint it over with clear acrylic gel extender you can buy from the artists' supplies shop. Build up enough layers this way to approximate scale thickness. Use a thinned down wash of brown or dirty yellow to age the "canvas." You may have to do this wash when the extender is still wet or you may do it when dry, I don't know as I haven't done it yet. Experiment. The extender is a very forgiving medium to work with. Finally paint on the sewn sail seams. and whatever heraldic signs that may be of historical interest. When dry peel the paper duplicate sail off the mold. The paper should retain the original plastic sails' shape with all the goodies you have done on it. And paper looks a lot more realistic as canvas sails than plastic. << The only amendment is you can add wash coloring to the extender itself when applying it to the paper. Acrylic extender is fully compatible with hobby acrylics as well as artists tube acrylics. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "denis james" Subject: Malcolm & cricket Paul.. Suggest strongly you don't start an argument on this one. Cricket is literally a war! And sometimes a particularly nasty and bloody one!! This is particularly so as between the Brits and Australians!!! That probably had some thing to do with us pinching their game off them and being better at it!!!! Have a Good Easter Break you all. Rgds DRJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: Royal Navy's Type 42 Question Hi Guys Concerning the type 42 Coventry DDG deck letters. It would seem these are picked from the ship's name. Example the Sheffield was SD. Now I have the old Skywave Sheffield kit and in the decal sheet provides markings for Sheffield, Coventry and the 2 Argentine Type 42's. It seems Coventry was first issued with CY and then later OV. I have a picture of Coventry before the war with CY on her flight deck. However there was a website showing Coventry in her death throws leaning over with her deck markings visible to another ship. I couldn't find it again. These markings seem to change over time as well. That's a good question can any one provide a list of the Type 42 helo pad markings ? Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: APMA meeting on Easter Saturday Hi all, APMA will be holding it's monthly meeting this Saturday in Sydney. This meeting will have a display theme of "Made in Australia" which covers local designs & OS designs made in Australia & will cover all genres. We welcome any visitors (see the url for details or contact me) Regards, Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm We are now PayPal enabled - check out the new member special Having FUN making models!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: 1/144 scale Yorktown CV-5 Hand built for sale on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=578152235 Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com (Bring the Hostages Home Boycott Chinese Products) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Model Ship Journal Shipped Whew! We lost almost an entire month in our work schedule, but have now completed subscription bulk mailing of Model Ship Journal for Spring 2001-Special Kit Review Issue. Those that have been aboard from MSJ's inception with Issue Zero, be sure you complete the renewal form slip inside the front cover. We also signed on two new U.S. distributors (Stevens Int'l and MMD), so check your hobby shop shelves if you prefer to support your neighborhood hobby dealer. Our dealers have been reporting brisk sales and are happy to see something new for the ship modelers. We have six in-depth kit reviews in this issue, covering both plastic and resin kits new on the market with a full section on new products and book reviews. Feature articles include: 1. Part Two of Loren Perry's RMS Titanic in 1/350 scale 2. USS Wichita Plan Feature in 1/700 Scale 3. The USN 3"-50 Caliber deck gun plan & photo feature 4. Building the USCGC Dependable by Keith Bender 5. USS Misouri Scratchbuilt In 1/350 Scale by master modeler Pierre Marchal 6. USS Wiltsie DD-716 in 1/192 scratchbuilt by Don Preul Keep your X-acto's sharp and happy modeling, Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume