Subject: SMML VOL 1209 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:52:47 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Chinese incident 2: Re: EP3s 3: Re: EP3s 4: Re: life raft webbing 5: Re: Making Wind-blown Sails 6: "Spying" in international waters 7: USS Wisconsin (BB-64) 8: Re: Type 42 Flightdeck Markings 9: USS Iowa arrival in SF Bay April 19/20 10: Ocean Liner Models Next Kit Vote - Deadline is Approaching 11: Skytrex and Boycott 12: Airbrushing Acrylics 13: Semantics 14: NP-3 Aircraft 15: Re: NP3s 16: Re: EP3s 17: Re: EP-3 and spying 18: Skytrex models 19: Intel-flights 20: Camouflage Volume 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: CONWAY'S ANATOMY OF THE SHIP HOOD.. RE-RELEASING SOON! 2: Colourcoats Paints -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Baumbach, Werner" Subject: Chinese incident Hello SMMLies, just a few remarks, that I would like to make on this topic: - Luckily, the American Crew is on their way home, and according to what I've read so far, they have been treated well. None of them was really hurt. - Unfortunately, a Chinese pilot died (at least very likely) in the collision. I think, sometimes we tend to ignore that through all of the emotions. He had a wife and children. Let's just remember that and pray for them as well. - I think the discussion whether it is spying or surveillance is purely playing with words. It is intelligence gathering and I agree with the statement, that we are looking at another cold war situation here. It is probably also part of the game to test Chinese reactions to air introduction. I am not saying, that it happened in this case. Just on a general level. US aircraft will fly towards China, Chinese air defenses will react. US will monitor these reactions. The tensions in the area were rising over the last months and years (there have also been warnings before, that the risk for these missions was high, the US military knew this perfectly well). And in this atmosphere of higher tensions, mistakes will happen. Sometimes smaller, less fatal ones, and sometimes bigger ones. This has happened vitally to any military force (and to the US military as well). I think it is perfectly acceptable to do this kind of the information gathering, I don't want to comment on the legal aspects. There are certainly different opinions on that world wide. Is it spying to tap into a foreign nations telephone conversations? - Just a side remark on the information gathering. We Europeans were very wary about the fact that the US Intelligence services were also gathering information about European companies and were potentially giving those to our US competitors (I don't want to start another discussion, but just to state that there are always several views, and there is not just one right one). - I think a lot of rhetoric was used by both parties during the last few days. Deplomatic games are not always clearly understandable, but that's what we got the diplomats for. China is certainly not very amuzed since their embassy was hit by several cruise missiles in Belgrade, so I am sure they wanted to pay some of that back. Bush and his team handled the situation in the end very well and all soldiers are safe. That is the most important thing to me. I am happy for the soldiers, that they can celebrate the holidays with their families. - And please, the US is not playing global police men, because they love the world so much, but because they are defending their interests. This is again perfectly acceptable for me and in many cases I agree with US policy. But it is US policy and not world policy. Let's keep that in mind as well. I think we are an international group with a common interest. I love discussing politics and I can accept different opinions. Let's just keep at that and not drop to a personal level. To all of you a Happy Easter Werner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Re: EP3s Chris Langtree writes >> To all those advocating a boycott now that the incident has been resolved don't you feel a bit ashamed about your juvenile attitudes and statements. << It is condescending and stupid statements like this which seem to have characterized this entire debate. This particular one being the most ludicrous!! It is far from juvenile to TAKE A STAND on something...Perhaps if a TOTAL boycott of everything made in Mainland China, were put into place, not selectively done (the US govt being the biggest offender over the last 9 years!!) they would realize that their continued thwarting of individuals rights meant something. Now, lets all play nice and get back to ship modeling! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: PolTexCW@aol.com Subject: Re: EP3s >> To all those advocating a boycott now that the incident has been resolved don't you feel a bit ashamed about your juvenile attitudes and statements. << Absolutely not! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: life raft webbing When I cast my bread upon the waters, some denizen of the deep usually surfaces and gobbles it down (but never when the bread is on a hook). SMML, however is a different sea. My strewing the Sea of SMML has indeed brought gratifying results time after time. SMML member Garth Connely responded to my passing on my "discovery" of a source of fine mesh screening by suggesting that I simply weave a webbing of strips of tape (or paper) and glue it to the bottom of the open raft. I pass this on to SMML, hoping it will prove useful to others. But the fine mesh screening is still a valid idea for other applications. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: Making Wind-blown Sails Kelvin does describe a possible way to improve on the vacuum-formed billowed sails provided in ship kits, however, I prefer to use actual fabric. An old linen handkerchief makes a marvelous sail, the fabric stretches like the real thing, looks like canvas, conforms well to the underlying shape of the kit sail, and it doesn't tear. The best method is to fill the kit sails with plaster to make solid forms you can stretch the wet handkerchief over. Hold the fabric in place by stapling to a board under the form, then paint the "sail" with one or two coats of ordinary flat latex house paint. When dry, peel off your sail, trim to size and weather and detail to taste. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: "Spying" in international waters I don't want to continue this thread, especially since the diplomats seemingly found a way out of the crisis. But to all of you who stated that the US airplane was flying in international waters: Don't forget that the first victim in every (international/military) conflict is the truth. You didn't see what actually happened (and neither did I). Happy Easter to everybody Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Glenn & Kelly Neklason" Subject: USS Wisconsin (BB-64) Hi All, According to the Apr. 12 edition of The Virginian Pilot (the Hampton Roads daily paper), the Norfolk post office will offer a free stamp cancellation for the battleship Wisconsin-Nauticus grand re-opening on Monday, Apr. 16. To get the special cancellation, mail a stamped, self-addressed envelope to: USS Wisconsin, 2600 Eltham Ave., Suite 109, Norfolk, VA 23513-2504. The cancellation will be available for 30 days. Glenn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "JOHN CURRIE" Subject: Re: Type 42 Flightdeck Markings Hi all, Ref Type 42 Flightdeck markings. I spent the afternoon in the naval section in the portsmouth library and could not find one shot of the COVENTRY Type 42 or Type 22 flightdecks, The markings in the picture of COVENTRY capsizing are not legible, if Craig has the COVENTRY with CY for the markings i would stick with this, they never change, they do come from the ships name, they are an aid of identification for aircraft/helo's, some countries use the pennant number(side number), no two ships in the RN will have the same letters. I will post the 42's deck letters on completion of my Easter leave and all the others if requested. SKYWAVE are not too accurate when it comes to RN subjects. J W Currie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: dlfowler@apple.com Subject: USS Iowa arrival in SF Bay April 19/20 Hello all, I just picked this up off the USS Iowa page: >> BATTLESHIP U.S.S. IOWA's ARRIVAL TO SAN FRANCISCO BAY ...We now focus our attention to the San Francisco Bay Area where IOWA will arrive on or about April 19, 2001 after completing her historic transit through the Miraflores Locks at the Panama Canal on March 28. IOWA continues to make history being the first Naval Vessel of her size and distinction to transit the Canal since it was turned over to the Panama Canal Authority. Plans are underway to welcome and view IOWA from several vantage points as she is towed to her designated berth at the Maritime Administration's (MARAD) Inactive Fleet Site at Suisun Bay. A map showing Suisun Bay's relative location to the Bay Area is provided for your information. Major freeways are shown for those who plan to be in the Bay Area on that date in the event that you choose to rent a vehicle. That is highly recommended since there are many locations that IOWA can be viewed from during her transit as well as numerous points of interest in the San Francisco Bay Area that are accessible by car. A tentative schedule of planned events is provided for your information. The Navy has determined that IOWA's relocation is a point-to-point transfer of a naval vessel in reserve status and therefore, has made the decision that IOWA will be towed directly to Suisun Bay without authorizing a short stay at piers 30/32 as we had initially planned. Although this complicates the logistics of viewing the IOWA up close, many opportunities exist where IOWA can be viewed from land and sea. Various ships and boats will participate in an escort of IOWA, including the FDR Presidential Yacht Potomac during IOWA's lengthy tow to Suisun Bay. On the evening of April 19, 2001 an "IOWA APPRECIATION NIGHT" will be held at the Empress of China Ballroom in the heart of San Francisco's famed Chinatown. The reception and banquet is sponsored by the Marin County Council of the Navy League of the United States in association with the Veterans Association of the USS Iowa, Veterans of Foreign Wars, Department of California and the Historic Ships Memorial at Pacific Square. This event is a salute to our Nation's Sea Services, the Great State of Iowa and the Unites States Ship IOWA (BB-61) in memory of those who served in war and peace. An invitation and reservation form is provided for those who wish to attend this "IOWA APPRECIATION NIGHT". The Ballroom has a capacity of 450. Requests will be honored on a first come first serve basis. Following the reception and banquet, a vigil to the memory of those who served in war and peace will be held at Vista Point, Golden Gate Bridge starting at 11:00PM corresponding to IOWA's scheduled transit into San Francisco Bay under the Golden Gate Bridge at 12:00 Midnight. A fireboat greeting is planned. On April 20, 2001, IOWA will stop at Anchorage 5 just south of the Richmond Bridge where Crowley's Sea Victory Tug will be relieved and assist tugs will be readied for the balance of her trip to Suisun Bay. IOWA will remain at this location until 6:00AM when she departs for Suisun Bay. During the period of 5:00AM to 9:00AM, a procession of numerous boats will assemble to escort IOWA to Suisun Bay. IOWA will transit the Richmond Bridge shortly after her departure from Anchorage 5, arriving at the Carquinez Bridge at 9:00AM, where she will be greeted by a 21-gun salute and various fly-by's by aircraft of different vintages. IOWA will arrive at Benicia at 10:30AM for a 1 hour wait before proceeding. She will transit the last bridge(s) of her journey, the UPRR/Benicia Martinez Bridges, arriving at Suisun Bay at noon. IOWA will finally be moored at the MARAD Inactive Fleet Site at approximately 3:00PM. These times have been provided by the U.S. Coast Guard Marine Safety Office and are provided for your information as approximate times only, allowing for unscheduled delays during her journey from the Panama Canal to San Francisco Bay and her trip through San Francisco Bay. This schedule assumes the IOWA will arrive on April 19 as presently scheduled. Please call the Association Toll Free number (The USS IOWA Veteran's Association's Toll Free Number is 1-877-909-6999) for changes and current updates. For those who have access to the internet, visit our Association Website (www.ussiowa.org) and/or the HSMPS Website (www.battleshipiowa.org) for current information concerning IOWA's arrival to the San Francisco Bay Area. I am available to take calls if you have questions or if I can be of help as you ponder your decision to travel to the San Francisco Bay Area. We hope you make every effort to join us on this historic day! Paul Gomez 408-268-6068 << Midnight under the Golden Gate Bridge? BUMMER! I guess I'll have to get some REALLY FAST film. If anyone attending the USS Hornet Conference would like to participate in any of these events, please let me know and I will try to make arrangements. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Ocean Liner Models Next Kit Vote - Deadline is Approaching Ocean liner modelers! You have until April 30th to cast your vote for Ocean Liner Models next 1/600 scale resin kit. As may know, in cooperation with Tom Nicolai and Ray Vargas of Ocean Liner Models, I have set up a ballot form to help them determine what you the modeler would like to see as the subject of the next 1/600 scale resin/brass liner kit from OLM. The ballot has a list of possible subjects and a chance to write one in that isn't on the list. Voting is open until April 30, 2001. All ballots will be sent to me directly and I will tabulate them for Tom and Ray. The results will be posted in the May 2001 update of IMM. You can cast your vote using the Official Ballot. http://Febus65.tripod.com/vote.htm Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling URL: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) FROM: Mike Bartel (mkwb@excite.com) SUBJECT: Skytrex and Boycott First, to Chris Drage- Thanks for your insights into the Skytrex kits. I had wondered if they would be taking a '1:1200' approach and cast a lot onto the hulls for simplicity's sake. As for my own new metal kits, I am going over to the 'bare hull' format, which will have nothing higher than the lowest main barbettes mounted. All deckhouses and most details will be separate. Deckhouses, larger barbettes and details, platforms and sponsons will all be separate, making for easier painting and alteration. Indeed, I intend these kits more for the builder and modeler rather than the gamer. Two exceptions to this practice will be the first two kits, the Fantasque and the Emile Bertin, both of which will have major deckhouses moulded onto the quarterdecks, while Fantasque also has the main superstructure block moulded on the forecastle. (On the Emile Bertin, this will be separate.) All other details (sponsons, funnels etc.) are separate. I do like the looks of the Skytrex kits. They look good when they are built. I think that too many of us, myself included, often judge a kit by the way it looks in the box, and we forget that it was intended to be built. Often, what looks not so good in the box looks much better when assembled and painted, and of course, vice versa. It looks like they are improving as they go along, too, because there was something about the London's hull that made it look a little more squat than it already is. (Was the London the first release?) The Penelopes and Leanders appear better. They seem to be choosing good subjects, too. Thanks again! And, now a short note on the Boycott responses: Well, since they are all coming home now, much more on the subject is rather academic. But, I wanted to respond to those that thought I was spreading disinformation and insulting the US military. Far from it on both counts. I apologize if I offended anyone. I was expressing a warning tbat would probably better boil down to, 'Don't give in to fear'. And, that's what I saw happening with the boycott talk, which I thought was premature. Sure, spying is a part of the world order, old or new. And, spying is spying. 'Surveillance' is just one of those euphemisms that we use when we don't want to face reality. Sometimes, a nation's security needs conflict with those of another nation. But, get past the finger-pointing and the rhetoric from both sides and see it for what it really is. Then, resolve the situation so both sides can save face and not start shooting at each other. That's what both sides did here, and we have our 24 people back. Anyway, I now bow to Shane's request that we call a truce on this issue. Mike Bartel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Airbrushing Acrylics Bill: If you can get the Badger paints in the colors you want to use you will like them. I fell in love with the Badger paints using their model RR paints on boats and suggested to them that they develop a marine paint line when Floquil went out of production. They asked me to develop the line and the paints now listed are the results of my efforts. They are very close matches to the Snyder and Short color chips (the Navy colors that is). Do not thin the paints, use between 15 and 20 psi and you will be happy. I truly fell in love with the RR paints and was using them exclusively before they asked me to come on board. The marine paints are the same formula that the RR guys have been using for several years. They dry quickly and can be masked off and painted with second color in 30 minutes! If you have any questions don't hesitate to contact me directly. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL NRG member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Mike C" Subject: Semantics It seems a lot of argument threads on this board start with the misuse of words. Please, try to keep a dictionary handy in case you are unsure of established meanings. (I hope this doesn't violate Shane's China truce; it's intended as a clarification of terms and not a comment on the events.) Regarding "spy" v "surveillance," I think newspapers (incorrectly) chose the word "spy" for two reasons. First, it fits headlines better. Second, it evokes a more visceral response from readers in order to sell more papers. Media personnel often display herd mentality and it's rare to find members with total dedication to accuracy. It's too bad more people can't tell the difference. Regarding spying on the neighbors. There's a big difference between sneaking through the flower beds to peek in a window and walking on the sidewalk and overhearing an argument. Surveillance flights are like walking on the sidewalk (community property) and listening for signs of trouble in the neighborhood. It's best to be prepared if a neighbor is liable to "go Postal" on you. Have fun and a Happy Easter to all, Mike Czibovic BTW: "go Postal"- A term coined after a rash of incidents where disgruntled U.S. Postal Workers went on individual killing sprees. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Ralph Batykefer" Subject: NP-3 Aircraft While I worked at Pax River Naval Air Station (Maryland)in the late 80's I knew the VXN-8 Squadron operated the NP-3 Aircraft. Here is the Pax River website definition for the squadron's activities: "The Naval Research Laboratory Flight Support Detachment (NRL FSD) was established in November 1962 to provide airborne support for scientific research projects undertaken at the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, D. C. NRL FSD is a relatively small activity aboard NAS Patuxent River, yet it is highly active. The organization operates four P-3 variant aircraft, designated NP-3D. These aircraft are operated from remote detachment sites around the world by professionally trained aircrews in direct support of numerous Chief of Naval Operations-Joint Chiefs of Staff tasked scientific research projects. Included in the list of projects are bathymetry, electronic countermeasures research, gravity mapping and radar development research, to name a few." I hope this answers the NP-3 question... IHS, Ralph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: James Corley Subject: Re: NP3s >> What I want to know is what does an NP3 do? << The "N" designator before a US aircraft type indicates a permanent special test modification, in the case of the NB-52 it is modified to drop test aircraft and launch small winged orbital rockets (we not any more), the NP-3 serve in a variety of research roles, most notably the special aircraft of the NRL and old VXN-8. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: James Corley Subject: Re: EP3s >> You can learn more about the EP-3 Aries and its mission capabilities by looking it up in The Naval Institute Guide to the Ships and Aircraft of the U.S. Fleet by Norman Polmar. << Better yet, go to AW&ST and read the flight article from 1997. Several pages of in-depth coverage of the fam flight given to one of the editors ... even describes the work stations as detailed as possible without restrictions. May 5, 1997 issue or online at: AW&ST EP-3E http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_military.jsp?view=story&id=news/maries0402c.xml -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Edd Pflum Subject: Re: EP-3 and spying >> the USN using the EP-3 Aries, the USAF the RC-135 Rivet Joint and TR-1. The UK has the Nimrods of the 51 sqn and my own country, Sweden has a few S102 Korpen (swedish designation for Gufstream IV meaning the raven...<< Let me get this straight, Pelle: The US Navy, the US Air Force and the RAF use conversions of old, obsolete, used-up airliners, and you guys have GIV's? With the Corinthian leather and burl walnut trim? Man! We're doing something wrong! Edd Westmont, IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Skytrex models >> White metal is not so difficult to rework if you are careful. My first model was to converet the Skytrex Black Prince to a Diadem to accompany HMCSs Haida & Huron in my 'Channel Sweep - '44' diorama. I was pleasantly surprised by the results of adding plasticard, etch brass and rigging. << Hi; Having worked with white metal wargame models for 30+ years I have some advice for you. 1) For drills and burs I would suggest using relativly low speeds. At higher speeds you produce too much heat and will clog the tool and possibly damage your model. 2) I stop frequently and clean the drills and burrs with a fine point insturment. A needle or #11 Exacto blade point works well. 3) Fine files clogg up as well. Clean frequently with needle or knife point. I haven't had good luck with a file "comb" or brush on the finer files. 4) Always prime before painting. Good luck Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister http://www.egroups.com/group/WoodenWalls Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Intel-flights >> as they are performed in own or international airspace, its a fully legal businesss that has been performed since the early 1950-ies. No snooping around, really. << Excuse me, such intel-gathering and signal-monitoring flights were also common practice during WW2. The British used it extensively in wath has been called 'the war of the beams'. Most interesting reading regarding this is Most Secret War by RV Jones who during WW2 was head of the departement who did all scientific intel-gathering and analysing on the British side. Erwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Camouflage Volume 2 Hi All I've just received my copy of Alan Raven's Camouflage Volume 2 and once again I find myself having to warn people to beware and check it very carefully. Like the last volume I'll confine myself to the JKNs something I've made a study of. It was nice to see the acknowledgement that Kandahar carried a different colour scheme to Kingston and Kimberly and such a pity that the illustration is wrong. The front of the scheme bears no resemblance to the photos and furthermore Kandahar's superstructure was uncamouflaged. The configuration she is shown in also bears no resemblance to reality either. The scheme for Nepal (P28) is wrong as well. This was a two colour scheme and both the commissioning photos and later service photos show this quite clearly. Remove the B5 element and you will have the real scheme except the colours are wrong. The scheme for Norman (P32) also suffers from the same problem, the photos show quite clearly that the dark lines are MS1 and there is no MS2 element. It's basically a three colour scheme. Nepal's second scheme is wrong as well. Wear and tear has been mistaken for a camouflage patch and there is some confusion in the illustration. OK then the JKNs are not Alan Raven's strong point but I think that the book is worth having. More photographs including one of the Perth at Tanjong Priok make it a much more interesting product. It's a useful tool to have for inspiration and then going and finding photographs of your chosen scheme. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "WEM" Subject: CONWAY'S ANATOMY OF THE SHIP HOOD.. RE-RELEASING SOON! Announced for MAY 2001 CONWAY "ANATOMY OF THE SHIP HMS HOOD" (!) Priced at a very reasonable 25 quid.. around $36.00! Orders being taken right now. Finally in stock: WR PRESS CAMOUFLAGE PART TWO ROYAL NAVY 1942 at 16.95 HASEGAWA 1/700 ASHIGARA (New Tooling)11.91 GBP ($17.00) HASEGAWA 1/700 HAGURO (New Tooling) 11.91 GBP ($17.00) SKYWAVE W54 TAKAO 28.04 GBP ($40.00) SKYWAVE W55 ATAGO 28.04 GBP ($40.00) Arriving soon: PROFILE MORSKIE HMS RENOWN 9.99 GBP ($14.30) PROFILE MORSKIE DUCA D'AOSTA 9.99 GBP ($14.30) CONWAY'S WARSHIP 2000/2001 on the way at 30 Pounds ($43.00) BRASSEY'S "THE WAY IT WAS" Pearl Harbour.. the Original Photographs, 180pp, s/b, many unpublished images from Japanese archives on the way ... 14.95 ($21.00) WEM K 3551 1/350 USS PEGASUS, (Full hull with white metal and etched brass) arrived.... Priced at 25.49 GBP ($36.50). We should be shipping after the weekend. (UK/EU add 17.5% VAT to kits) RESTOCK ON: K 3549 1/350 KNOX CLASS FRIGATE NEW NEW 112.30 ($165.00) NEW ETCHED BRASS SETS (in response to the recent SMML discussions... who says we don't listen to our customers!!) PE 740 1/700 WW2 LEANDER CLASS CRUISERS NEW!! £** PE 741 1/700 SOVIET WARSHIPS NEW!! £** and PE 629 1/600 HMS NELSON/RODNEY for the AIRFIX kit NEW!! Y 2001 PE 632 1/600 HMS ARK ROYAL (WW2) Y 2001 Peter's working on the following right now.. PE 626 1/600 "ULTIMATE" KRIEGSMARINE SET ONE NEW!!! May-01 PE 627 1/600 "ULTIMATE" KRIEGSMARINE SET TWO NEW!!! May-01 PRE-ORDERS TAKEN.. just e-mail me at the above, or John Snyder at jsnyder@macnexus.org NEW KITS FROM THE NARROW SEAS RANGE.. resin, etched brass NS 017 1/350 S-10 Series WW2 GERMAN E-BOAT for JUNE NS 018 1/350 S-80 Series WW2 GERMAN E-BOAT for JULY NS 019 1/350 S-100 Series (Armoured Bridge) WW2 GERMAN E-BOAT for MAY Also, we have an extremely rare, out of production SKYWAVE "PANZER DIVISION" Offers taken! Thanks! Caroline Carter WHITE ENSIGN MODELS http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: wem Subject: Colourcoats Paints Well, at long last we have received samples of the new White Ensign Models Colourcoats paints for approval. The samples are spot-on when compared to the appropriate Snyder & Short paint chips. On this basis, we have ordered the production run to begin. These enamel paints are being produced by the same paint company that manufactures Xtracolours for Hannants. They can be applied by brush or airbrush, and dry to a matte finish (our samples, applied to plastic sheet, were absolutely smooth). The paints can be thinned with good quality white spirit (good quality paint thinner, for my Yank colleagues). They will be supplied in 14ml tinlets, like Hannants and Humbrol paints. Visit the WEM website for a full list of the first 24 colours, and prices. Dealer inquiries and pre-orders welcome! John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume