Subject: SMML VOL 1225 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:41:10 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Speak up - Punch it! 2: Did This Every Happen To You? 3: workbench thread 4: Re: Sources of Photographs 5: Re: Book On Monitors 6: Re: Carrier-Based Aircraft Markings 7: Spray painting Outside 8: Re: Modellers' wives 9: Re: on the workbench 10: Polly Scale paint 11: Re: What's UNDER The Workbench 12: Re: Saratoga 13: What is on the work bench 14: Whats on DA Bench 15: landing craft part 2344578 16: British MTBs 17: Re: armstrong rifled guns/css Stonewall 18: CMB pictures 19: RAF SAR Launches 20: Re: What's on the workbench 21: Re: On the Workbench 22: On the Workbench, Nationals & SmmlCon 23: Re: Oregon 24: On the workbench 25: What's on the workbench 26: HMAS Canberra 1 27: On the workbench - painting 28: Pearl Harbor Books 29: workbench 30: Re: "What's on the shelf" 31: Whats on the work bench? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: AMPS 2001 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Whats new! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: JVT7532@aol.com Subject: Re: Speak up - Punch it! >> Way back when in SMML 0977, Steve Jantscher said that the Reheat Punch set "was not as tight as the Waldron punch set", but had more options. At CDN $220 plus, the two Waldron's are, well, &(*&(*&@ expensive, so I really really really need to know from y'all - tell me about price and value and performance for ..... << Greetings to all, I have the reheat set myself and I find it a great value for the money, maybe even a bit easier to handle with the thicker shafts than the slender ones Waldrons provides. I have punched hundreds of disks with my reheat set and it's still as good as the day it arrived. Contact me off list if you need to know more about it. Best regards, Jon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Did This Every Happen To You? Hello All, Ok, I am stumped. A couple of months ago, I mixed two Humbrol colors to make some light admiralty gray for my WEM Ton class kit (based on the ratio provided in the painting instructions). I mixed and stored the paint in a standard Testors Model Master jar that you can buy at the hobby stores. I thinned that mix for airbrushing the main resin parts using Floquil thinner (which I think is also called dio-sol) from the large tin. I few weeks later, I opened the jar and the paint had dried up even though it was sealed tight. I though perhaps the thinner had a long term reaction with the paint. I shelved the project to finish my Ajax and when I returned to it, I mixed another batch again in new jar of the same type. This time, I have added no thinner to the mix so it is pure Humbrol paint. I have opened the jar up a few times to brush paint some small parts and promptly reclosed the jar. A few weeks have passed and the paint is forming a thick skin on top which I can break to get to the paint, but it looks like it is drying up again. What am I doing wrong? I would hate to mix a third batch to finish the model. Sorry about the long question, but I had to give the facts to see if anybody caught something I missed. Any help would be most appreciated. Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling URL: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Ian MacCorquodale" Subject: workbench thread Hi Group, On my workbench at the moment, Jeanne D' Arc in 1/400...Waiting on railings from Heller's flash service. USS Elrod in 1/300, waiting on decals and PE Hatch doors. Looking to buy a 1/300 Revell Germany Kortenaer Class frigate, at a reasonable price. Does anyone know if this kit is due for re release, as it's sister kit Neidersachen was a few years back. Anyone know if this kit comes with Goalkeeper? On the reading table.....HMS Unseen. Cheers from a sunny warm Halifax....At last! Ian http://www.geocities.com/macrachael/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: HGYL@aol.com Subject: Re: Sources of Photographs Skyfotos does indeed still exist. They operate a World Ship Club, as a member of which for a nominal annual membership fee you get their complete catalogue plus a monthly list of photographs offered at reasonable prices. Their address is: Skyfotos Norfolk Drive Leacon Road Ashford Kent TN23 4FB England A and J Pavia does still exist as a photograhic business in Valetta, Malta. However, I called at their shop during a visit to Malta a few years ago and was told by Michael Pavia that they had sold their entire archive of ship photographs to Wright and Logan, a move which they subsequently regretted. Does any one know what happened to the Wright and Logan collection (including the A & J Pavia collection) after Ron Forrest shut up shop in Portsmouth last year? Other good sources of photographs are the World Ship Society whose photographic library comprises several thousand negatives from all over the world and the Maritime Photo Library of 8 Jetty Street, Cromer, Norfolk NR27 9HF, England. Does any one know if the Real Photograph Company still exists and if so what their current address is? If they no longer exist, is their archive accessible through any other source? Harold Lincoln -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Dimi Apostolopoulos Subject: Re: Book On Monitors Alan, In response to your question on what is going on at lake Vostok: When my robotic lifeseekers penetrate the ice surface of the lake and carry out their searches, I will let you know. Lake Vostok and the Antarctic Dry Valleys have been off-limit to robotics because of stiff opposition by international environmental groups, but it's a matter of time before we get there. That's all I can tell you. Now, how much are you selling the British Monitors book for? Dimi ps. Okay, because I know how much you like extraordinary stuff, I invite you to check out "deinococcus radiodurans." It will get you thinking. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Hank Lapa" Subject: Re: Carrier-Based Aircraft Markings Also see: Bill C. Kilgrain; Color Schemes and Markings, U.S. Navy Aircraft, 1911-1950 (aircraft/squadron ship assignments, Air Group markings) Duane Kasulka; USN Aircraft Carrier Air Units (vols. 1-3); Squadron/Signal; ISBN 0-89747-218-7 (mostly markings,l also assignments) Stefan Terzibaschitsch; Aircraft Carriers of the U S Navy; Mayflower; ISBN 0-8317-0109-9 (detailed aircraft/squadron assignments) Regards, Hank -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Spray painting Outside Assuming you have a moisture trap or use canned air, temperature becomes important. Back when I painted enamels in the garage, I found (at an auto paint supply store) a temperature-sensitive range of thinners. I don't remember the names, but I bought gallon-sized cans of the two most important ranges (hot and cold ); then shared with the entire local hobby club and it lasted us all for years. I don't know about water-based, as I never sprayed them. I never noticed that Floquil had a temperature-sensitivity. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Modellers' wives >> There really needs to be some sort of International Support Group set up for the relatives of afflicted modelling dorks. They are the innocent victims of this horrible plague and deserve compassion and sympathy.. << Well you know what they say "A man with a hobby will never go mad - his wife probably will, but he won't". Michael London (with a still sane wife - at least she was the last time I emerged from my study and spoke to her)! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: on the workbench Sorry guys and Gals, I cannot find my workbench. It's big but it''s down there somewhere under a pile of tools, paints, and materials. Like the little details that will never be seen inside our models, I do know it's there. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "B.Fish" Subject: Polly Scale paint Thanks for the corrections and kind words, with all the talk about Paints I've found a 1 OZ .Polly scale Mineral Red and for the size and Price Can anybody say for sure which colour red is better than others? This paint works fine in the airbrush, after its cut with distilled water 10 to 15% hulls colours do fade with time, any feedback of any other ship modeler using this kind of paint on there models My guess is which one do you choose? Over an other? The models that where list for sale included the shipping cost Not plus, {type-o-error} Thanks and happy modeling. Respectfully, Bruce "Retreat hell were attacking in another Direction" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: Re: What's UNDER The Workbench Hmmm, damn near everything. . my workbench is on the top floor of the house and my models are stashed on the bottom floor. .... Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Rod Dauteuil Subject: Re: Saratoga >> We visited the Maritime Museum, the O'brien, and USS Pompanito all along Fisherman's wharf, a tour of the Saratoga (with a truly knowledgeable and gentlemanly retired Chief who had crewed on several carriers during his long career<< Which Saratoga would that be? CV60? I thought that was still in Newport RI? Rod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "John" Subject: What is on the work bench Well for me my whole work bench is buried under one ship, now I have a large work bench 3'X8' and one ship has it totally consumed and even extends over each end by about 2 1/2 feet, what is it you ask well, she is a 1/72nd scale radio controlled model of the S.S. United States she is almost 14 feet long and 17" wide and will be from the Keel to the top of number one stack approx 29" tall, she should be going in the water hull only so far for ballast tank placement with in the month, since I am using water tanks as ballast instead of lead weight (Submarine Technology) I have to take her to the lake and pour water in to the hull to get her down close to the water line, and then come home build a tank and take her back to the lake to test it each time I add a tank will require a trip to the lake, with a 14 foot hull ontop of my Trans Am AARRRRRRRRGGGGG anyone care to donate a bus? John Anderson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "John" Subject: Whats on DA Bench >> I do have my work bench in sight but it's buried with models all under construction. How about two identical scratchbuilt 1:192 Missouri's, 4 Tamiya Missouri's and one Tamiya New Jersey all being transformed into five different BB 62 models of different eras. A rebuilding of a Matchbox 1:72 corvette, just finished Airfix QE 1, several propellers under construction (don't ask me please) and new articles half finished for the next three Model ship Journal mag. Plus all the junk on the back burner and I say all of this with the fear of sounding like the "Great Al Hart". << Hey Keith, I know what the propellers are for , I know what the propellers are for , John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: landing craft part 2344578 Who can help? LCU-1466-class: in production since? LVT (2), (3), (4), (A)1: date of first delivery Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: British MTBs Who can send pictures for identification of a British MTB with 2 tubes aside the deck house, one mashine gun postion behind and one dinghy aboard? Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "David Hathaway" Subject: Re: armstrong rifled guns/css Stonewall Melvin Plans available from Maryland Silver, http://www.marylandsilver.com/Ship.htm but they are described as "poor". If you find any other sources, let me know as I am interested in getting plans for her too. David Hathaway -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: CMB pictures Who can send for identification purposes pictures of CMBs of the 40ft, 55 ft and 70ft type? Hi, Check out the SMML site for pictures of the CMB. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: RAF SAR Launches Who can send for identification purposes pictures of RAF SAR launches? Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: NRTaylor54@cs.com Subject: Re: What's on the workbench I've been converting an Iron Duke into Orion 1916. I went to the Imperial War Museum to take photo's of the builders model but there were some changes even before she was launched. I build in 1:600 scale which I believe is the best modelling scale as opposed to the 1:700 "collecting" scale. I shortened the hull to the right length then discovered the Q turret was 3/16" too far aft so I removed its base, this is typical of the mistakes I made, but I've learned a lot so hopefully when it comes to building the Lion, Erin, Canada, Tiger and Revenge from the same Airfix kit of the Iron Duke it will be less painful. It has taken over 1 year to get this far, the delightful sisters who clean the house managed to knock the forward superstructure off a month ago but I have started repairs and once the General Election is over I can concentrate on finishing her. Neil in Lincolnshire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: On the Workbench Amongst all the bizzillion things I have going on at Classic Warships, I have taken on a large scale finished model project. The subject is a 1/200 SMS Goeben as of 1914. Most of the photo etch artwork is finished and I have just started to lay up the hull. I have also started on some of the deck fittings. This is to be finished by November this year. Would there be any interest in a kit of this model? Please post your response to this mail list, NOT TO ME!!!, as I am not able to answer. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: SAMI ARIM Subject: On the Workbench, Nationals & SmmlCon I just finished the light cruiser Belfast and what a pretty ship. The previous project was again a British subject, the Hood, so I am taking a break with British and good looking ships; I started building the repair ship Akashi, all in 1/700. Very interesting looking ship and well supported with the Tom's and GMM photoetch sheets. I don't think it will be ready by the Chicago nationals, but thats ok. That means I am definitely going to the nationals. It looks like it will be a lot of fun. Thanks to everyone giving me and Duane all the positive comments regarding the SmmlCon. I hope it will be repeated again no matter how and where it may be, so we will be a strong and solid society among the modeling community. Best Regards Sami Arim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Oregon >> 3. USS Oregon - I got the PE, got the articles, love the ship (but I'm a bit daunted by all the stuff out there saying the kit is way-wrong in some important deck-related particulars). << Ned: Talk to Gary Kingzett, he did a handout on what has to be done to the Oregon kit to accurize the gun deck. It is not that bad as you essentially use the casement sides, cut off the flying bridge/catwalk, and a few of the structures on the deck and then toss the rest. You also have to lengthen the ventilators and ad a lower mast section to the boat cranes. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Dan Bostwick" Subject: On the workbench And the workbench holds... one DDG51, still in the box, waiting to be converted to a Flight IIA ship. The walls are covered with drawings and blueprints (actually a nice addition to the modeling room), the model is purchased, the materials are ready. If I can ever get time away from work, I think I am ready to go. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Jodie Peeler Subject: What's on the workbench hello all.... Dave Judy wrote: >> I'm going to the doctors Friday,.......is there a blood test for this.....or something?? There's a woman who's been wandering my house for the last ten years............I think I married her?? << It could be worse...one morning I woke up and found myself living in a strange, foreign land hundreds of miles from home, with a guy whose model collection is about ten times the size of mine. He makes my collection appear *normal*! (But the lovin' is awful good....) ;) What's on the workbench here? Well, the workbench is still kind of submerged beneath a sea of boxes, and the workbench looks like it'll still be packed up until after another move in a month or two (but at least that'll be back to SC!). When I last looked, here's what was on the pile: 1:144 Revell A320 to wear Gulf Air colors 1:144 Otaki L-1011-1 to wear Eastern colors (no, it's NOT for sale) 1:144 Welsh L-1049H to wear Aer Lingus colors 1:200 Hasegawa L-1011-1 to wear Aer Lingus colors (no, I'm not inordinately proud of being part Irish. Why do you ask?) 1:72 Tamiya F4D-1 Skyray (hey, it's a naval aircraft) 1:72 Tamiya F-84G partially completed in Thunderbirds colors Maybe I should take a break from all these airplanes and actually BUILD a ship? That SkyWave FFG-7 kit may be calling.... ;) jodie http://www.mindspring.com/~raisingirl -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Mackenzie Gregory Subject: HMAS Canberra 1 Shane, I was the Officer of the Watch on Canberra's bridge when Savo started. Do you know Bruce Loxton's Book The Shame of Savo. Anatomy of a Naval Disaster. Allen & Unwin P/L St Leonards NSW 1994, or Denis & Peggy Warner's Disaster in the Pacific. New Light on the Battle of Savo Island, Allen & Unwin P/L North Sydney NSW 1992? Both well worth a read, but I think that Bruce's book is probably the definitive one on Savo, and what happened that night on August 9 1942, now so long ago. With regards, Mackenzie Gregory. Ahoy. Naval Reminiscences. http://members.tripod.com/Tenika/ Hi Mackenzie, No, I have yet to pick up & read Bruce Loxton's book - have been meaning to get it for ages but just haven't got around to it. I hear it's a very good read. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: On the workbench - painting >> QUESTION: .....I do my spray painting and a lot of my airbrushing outside by decree. Can anyone give me some ideas on how to minimize the problems outside, particularly the question of temperatures. << Peter: Try switching to acrylic paints and your other half will not object to you painting inside as there is NO odor and no dangerous fumes. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL NRG member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Pearl Harbor Books Marc Flake wrote - >> While browsing through the new books at a local book seller, I came across the movie tie-in picture book for the upcoming movie "Pearl Harbor." I have read (and sometimes written) misgivings about this movie in previous SMML volumes, but after looking at these color stills from the actual movie - I have to say that I'm very excited about this movie. << Mark's comments prompted me to stop by Borders and see if they had the book. The post-production work done by Industrial Light & Magic (the top special effects people in the business) - including the creation of a "virtual Battleship Row" - looks incredible. The producers also built three 85% full-size battleship mockups and shot the capsizing of OKLAHOMA in the same water tank that was created especially for the making of "Titanic" a few years ago. So, maybe everybody who has spent the better part of the past year bad-mouthing the makers of this movie on purely technical grounds shouldn't jump to any conclusions. The book is entitled "Pearl Harbor: The Movie and The Moment", published by Hyperion Books, NY (ISBN 0-7868-6780-9), US$35/CAN$50, edited by Linda Sunshine and Antonia Felix. Another new title on the subject is "Pearl Harbor: America's Darkest Day" by Susan Wels, published by Time-Life/Tehabi Books. A lot of familiar photos, plus some new ones (including color), with paintings by Tom Freeman that appeared previously in another Pearl Harbor book, as well as some new - but truly awful - artwork by C. S. Bailey. Retails for US$34.95, but Price Club has it for almost half off. (ISBN 0-7370-0099-6) Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Cecil Childers" Subject: workbench Sitting on the Workbench includes: 1/350 Yamato -50% Big Revell Arizona (both with pe sets). Also have a Kaga (99%) and Zuiho (90%) that are almost finished. A virtual shipyard. does anyone know how the old 1/450 vanguard holds up. I have not seen that kit since 70's. In Corpus Christi by the Lexington -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: "Harold Stockton" Subject: Re: "What's on the shelf" As I already have a HR-Products 1/48 scale "quad" 40mm, and being inspired with a photograph some where of this same company's 1/32 scale kit, I wanted to do "and now for something completely different." Any model of a static or manned "Quad" 40mm looks a little out of place unless it is in a diorama that actually is showing this very impressive anti-aircraft weapon in the actual act of pumping out pounds per second of high-explosive destruction. So, what am I to model? I am going to be doing a 1/48 scale section of a prospective individual USN vessel that was involved with a Kamikaze attack, either actual or a near-miss. I do not have to have the gun firing, or the gun-crew actually doing anything but "covering their bung-holes" while a beautifully finished 1/48 scale Tamiya Zero 52 goes streaking over their gun-mount, with little tiny pieces of aluminum foil are "loosening-up" from the stricken plane. Such a diorama would capture all areas of military interest; with the ship's section and gun-mount, the WW-II aviation nuts will be covered by the Zero, and the grunt lovers out there will love the men in action, or lack there of, with the hiding gun-mount crew. A little different maybe, but a definite eye-catcher as far as a vignette goes. Harold Stockton PS, we are going to be releasing our new line of 1/48 scale finished models soon. The first three releases will be two versions of the USS Monitor, the CSA Merrimac, and the HMS Cerubus harbor defence vessel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: "hugh1lottie2" Subject: Whats on the work bench? Am I the only one that works in 1/700 scale? It seems that the largest navy in the world is 1/350 judging from the posts. Hugh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: AMPS 2001 Local model enthusiasts who enjoy (land) ships and (tank) turrets may want to visit AMPS 2001 this weekend in Aberdeen, Maryland. One of the biggest annual AFV model shows held in the eastern US, it will take place on April 27, 28, and 29 at the Havre de Grace community center. See: http://www.amps-armor.org for details. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Subject: Whats new! Hi Y'all My German friend has recently updated, and given my website a facelift. Ironed out a few glitches etc. Your thoughts on www.john-lambert-plans.com which now provides, many more samples (or part views) of my efforts. I hope to meet many of you at Portsmouth (IF THE SUMMER COMES)! Yours "Aye" John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume