Subject: SMML VOL 1229 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 05:52:43 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Paint separation 2: 1/700 Forrest Sherman 3: SPOUSE PROBLEMS 4: Re: Modelers' Wives 5: Modeler's Wives 6: Re: Modelers' Wives 7: Modelling triathlons 8: Re: SMS Goeben 9: Re: SMS Goeben 10: All Hands - March 2001 - Disappearing Act 11: Re: Warship Books announcement 12: Re: On the workbench 13: Porridge comes to Pearl Harbour 14: Haig's Dimple 15: Re: Oregon Handout -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Paint separation >> Actually, paints are a suspension of pigments and not a solution. << Yes Tom, you are correct. I suppose I made it sound the other way, but I never actually said solution! However, there is a lot more in there than just pigment and that's all I was trying to get across. Back to the dungeon, Darren -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "O'Connor" Subject: 1/700 Forrest Sherman SMMLies, Re: the above ship- has anyone ever released one of these fine looking ships in 1/700 scale? Of all the US DD classes produced, the F. Shermans were by far the most handsome - Does anyone know of a company planning to produce them? Thanks, Bob O'Connor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: SPOUSE PROBLEMS FOR THOSE OF YOU NOT YET MARRIED, I OFFER THE FOLLOWING: BE SURE AT LEAST THREE HOBBY SHOPS ARE ON YOUR HONEYMOON ITINERARY. THIS WILL LAY THE NECESSARY GROUNDWORK FOR YOUR MODELING FUTURE. I SPEAK FROM 35 YEARS EXPERIENCE WITH THE SAME SPOUSE. DAVID -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: CapnAgee@aol.com Subject: Re: Modelers' Wives Duane ... is your former wife still living? Ray Agee -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Paul and Renee Jacobs" <1250man@home.com> Subject: Modeler's Wives >> Just before my wife went out the door for the last time she was kind enough to place ten of my best 1/350 full hull battleships, cruisers, and a destroyer on permanent display at the local landfill. << Well Duane, I hope that your divorce attorney nailed her for intentional destruction of community property. Paul Jacobs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Modelers' Wives >> Supportive wives? SUPPORTIVE wives??!!! As of August 23, when Caroline Carter becomes my wife aboard HMS WARRIOR at Festival of the Sea, I'll have the ULTIMATE supportive shipmodeler wife!! John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models << Yeah, a wife who can look over your shoulder while you are building a model and REALLY tell you what you are doing wrong! ;-þ Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Jens H. Brandal" Subject: Modelling triathlons >> Since so many of you enjoy building other subjects than ships, why not enter the Triathlon at the Nationals? It's just what it sounds like. You enter three completely different subjects and they are all judged by the same criteria as all the other models. They can still be entered in separate categories and are still eligible for awards in those categories as well.All you have to do is sign up for the Triathlon when you enter. << IPMS Norway has had a Pentathlon Trophy since 1997, after inspiration from some of the guys in IPMS Seattle I met while at the US IPMS Nationals - admittedly, there haven't been many contestants, but every trophy has been handed out deservedly. The Best in Show Trophy goes to the best *model*, but I feel that the Pentathlon Trophy goes to the best *modeller*. No matter the category of modelling one pursues, there are still general basics across all categories, but different emphasis and challenges. When building one type of models only, one tends to get stuck in a "mode"; cars are often finished as high-gloss showroom objects, armour models aren't complete unless they have half the countryside stuck in their tracks with ruststreaks down every rivet, figures often have dramatic shadows and highlights... When studying the techniques to finish a tank convincingly, the same techniques can be used (on a more moderate basis) to bring the car out of the showroom, or show it after the race, on the other hand, the tank model may take on a more used, but not abused appearance, the weathering techniques can find their way to ships, and creating "life" in figures can enhance the appearance of all models. Adding detail and bending brass bits for ships gives modellers the dexterity, confidence and patience to superdetail their tanks, planes and cars. Airplanes with their smooth curves and multi-part fuselages and wings emphasise seam filling and sanding.... If you don't think "Mongrel Modellers" can compete with the best in each category, take a look at the results list from Scale Modelworld 2000, and the Danish modelling multi-genious Albert Tureczek's name appear frequently on the lists. The only drawback is your reference library expands at a more rapid pace:) Jens -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Steve Sobieralski" Subject: Re: SMS Goeben I would be very interested in a 1/200 kit. Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: ogilvietv@webtv.net (Donna Ogilvie) Subject: Re: SMS Goeben Dear Steve: I echo Rinobones comments. I would definitely be interested in a 1/350 SMS Goeben. V/R Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: All Hands - March 2001 - Disappearing Act http://www.mediacen.navy.mil/pubs/allhands/mar01/pg26.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: WVeigele@aol.com Subject: Re: Warship Books announcement Keith, Your website is very well done. I hope you are having success selling books. I know you have not sold many PC Patrol Craft books, but I see you are trying. You indicated on your website you would sell "used" books. I have a few copies of the PC book that were read once for review. I could sell them at a suggested list price of $29.95 and a suggested price to you of $17.95. If that is of interest let me know. Best regards, Bill Veigele Astral Publishing Co. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: ogilvietv@webtv.net (Donna Ogilvie) Subject: Re: On the workbench Currently my workbench is also under construction out in the garage. Its about 3/4 finished and usable for lager things like sanding the bottom of hulls ect. With luck and if work at my Reserve unit slows down it might get finished this year. Then there is proper lighting etc, Currently I am rigging a model of the HMS Peacock from Atlantic Models. That is a beautiful little kit which went together very nicely. I mounted it on a sea base made foam Acrylic Gel. I launched one of the Zodiacs with a board and search team. I have started on a JAG "Ashville" PG-84 class. Out of the tube the kit is actually of the Tacoma PG 92 or later version of the PG's. It is going to become the USS Canon PG-90 which means converting her to the earlier configuration. After having done quite a bit of research on various aspects of the of Riverine operations in Viet Nam for my active duty command at the time (Special Boat Squadron One) I stumbled on some pictures of the USS Marathon PG 89 in an interesting camouflage scheme. I recently found 2 photos of her on the net, one is at navsourse under the patrol craft PGM/PG vessels and the other is at: hawley.highspeed.com/vietnam.htm#. Go down to Gunboats on the Song Cua Lon and then on to the section for PG-89. She is listed as the first US ship to have camouflage since WWII. I am researching her colors. If anyone has any information on the color of her splotches let me know. Any information I find I will pass on. After that I will star on 2 of the outstanding WEM Knox FF 1052 class. I was the Main Propulsion Assistant and Ships Maintenance Officer in USS Stein (FF-1065) and Chief Engineer in USS Hepburn (FF-1055). I have some excelent close up photos of various parts of the ship I can scan and post if there is enough intrest. This post has run to long however in a couple of days I will do an out of the box review ofthe WEM kit. Greg The only thing harder than being a ships division officer is being the father of a 3 year old girl and 7 year old boy. Hi Greg, Both pictures & reviews of the Knox class (or indeed any pictures & reviews that people may have) are welcome on the SMML site Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Phil M. Gollin" Subject: Porridge comes to Pearl Harbour Interesting news for fans of the 1970's British TV comedy set in a prison "Porridge". The writing team responsible for that have also been responsible for the re-write of the "Pearl Harbour" film. The possibilities are amazing. Also, to commemorate Anzac day, several days late, the daily paper I read, The Guardian, had a huge spread of the AE-2 and its exploits in the Black Sea. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "John Rule" Subject: Haig's Dimple >> Does any one know where I can get a few Haig whisky bottles. The three-sided ones with the sides pushed in that are used for ships in bottles. I have been asked to build an RCN steamer, HMCS Gatineau,(one of the later Cadillacs)in a bottle.. Haig whisky is not sold in Nova Scotia, so there are none to be had at the recyclers. If someone has any they want to get rid of. lets make a deal. << In the interests of promoting the hobby I am willing to offer my services in helping this cause. If anyone would like to purchase and send me bottles of this Scotch, I will try to drink them in order to provide the empty bottles. As I do not like that particular brand of Scotch you can appreciate the level of sacrifice I am offering. .......I'm waiting!!!!!! John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: GKingzett@aol.com Subject: Re: Oregon Handout Ladies and Gentlemen, my apologies. Sorry I misled you. I live in New Jersey. My presentation at the Hornet was last weekend. I was trying to be funny and also needle Ned Barnett a little. I discover my humor fell flat, and I should have needled Ned in private, or not at all. Brad Chaucer was very kind in his description of my presentation. Unfortunately, the hand outs are only 1/3 of my material. In order to make sense of what I was presenting, I used a 2nd Oregon kit as a demo, made my modifications to the pieces, and then assembled them temporarily using locator pins during my presentation. It is this process which really makes it possible to build the model without a whole lot of extra work. I will do that process again, and record it using a digital camera. For any of this to be worth while, it is necessary to have good plans of how the ship actually looked in the questionable areas. The only plans I recommend are available from the Oregon Maritime Center in Portland OR. Phone (503) 224-7724, hours are 11-4, Friday, Saturday and Sundays. Price is $9.00 for a 2 page set. These plans were drawn by Ed Neubauer from the actual builder's drawings from Bethlehem Shipbuilding, the corporate successor to Union Iron Works. They are the property of the museum and can't be reproduced for non-private purposes. They are the same plans Tom's Modelworks used for their photo-etch. The plans are worth having, even if you only want to see a good example of drawings made specifically for modeling. Thanks to all of you who responded specifically (about a dozen so far). I will get together my information including the necessary photos and be in touch with you, but it will take me a couple of weeks. And Ned, maybe there is a how-to article here for the IPMS Journal as a supplement or add-on to the Rhinobones article. Gary Kingzett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume