Subject: SMML VOL 1237 Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 15:10:57 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Modelers Wives 2: First plastic model thread 3: First model and next to the workbench 4: Great Fellow SMMLies 5: 1/350 detail part query 6: Re: Tribbles 7: A new and refreshing way in company/customer relationship 8: CSS Stonewall Information 9: Saratoga museum store 10: Re: 1/350 Forest Sherman (not yet) 11: Re: My first model 12: SMS Goeben; my first kit; what else you build/have built 13: Parrot feathers 14: mixing gloss and flat colors 15: Re: Correct masts (not too much to ask) 16: Cost Cutting on Plastic 17: My first plastic kit 18: first ship kit 19: Re: Paper Models 20: Re: Brooklyn Warning 21: Supermarine Walrus 22: Re: First Plastic Kit 23: 1/600 ships, especially destroyers 24: HMS Upholder and Illustrious 25: On the bench 26: First model -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: International Maritime Modeling May 2001 Update 2: For Sale: Classic Warships Yorktown Class Carriers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Modelers Wives OH Mercy, My ex destroyed so many of my models in a fit of rage on several occasions. And if you can believe this, I would drive by Long Beach Naval Shipyard and see the sign out front that said "Open House on USS - - - - - " and this "woman" would actually stay in the car and give me a time limit of 30 minutes "or else" to go aboard the ship. Thank God she is gone. My new current partner in life is a real dream - she has been down in the bilge of a Coast Guard Cutter, clear back in shaft alley in a Liberty ship, up to the top stack area of the USS CONSTELLATION - with no complaints. And if I start getting a little low in spirits she drags me over to the USS HORNET to recharge my batteries. On several occasion we have driven by the hobby shop and she will actually say "you have not bought a model in a long time, let's go in and get something. NO, NO, NO NONE OF YOU CAN HAVE HER - SHE IS MINE!!! Michael Donegan Naval & Aviation Artist http://members.aol.com/NAVYDAZE/INDEX.HTML -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: HAZEGRAYADM@aol.com Subject: First plastic model thread In the 1950s I had been building an H O gauge railrroad in my basement when I discovered a thing plastic. After years of carving balsa wood and thumbs, Athearn put a few freight cars & diesel engines out in plastic. While at the hobby store, I saw this box with the beautiful artwork attributed to the CV-18/Wasp. The name Lindberg was a well known name (Exactly for what I did not know, however) but an ESSEX class CV! Finally I could start building ships! I set to putting it together that evening and even had it ballasted for sailing when the Salt Creek River in Illinois was ready to overflow again. Not too long after that, photos suddenly appeared of WW II CVs in various publications. I found that my Lindberg kit didn't quite equate to what was in the photos; in fact it began looking downright clunky. I found out what a,"Long hull" was & the Wasp CV-18 wasn't one of those. What ever happened to my first ship model? At present (If it isn't land fill) it rests at the bottom of Round Lake, just north of Chicago,ILL., with the distinction of being the only Essex class CV ever sunk by July 4th fireworks. Now. the Revel kits of Essex' offer the same benefits, but, well, that's another story... Bert McDowell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Doug Wilde" Subject: First model and next to the workbench Seven, eight, or nine must be the magic number. I was eight and the Delta Dart (?) was a Christmas present. I remember setting up the card table to watch the Rose Parade while the glue set. As I look at the model in front of me now, 43 years later, I see I too had difficulty with the canopy and apparently glued one of the rockets on top of the wing, noticed the mistake and moved it to the bottom, leaving a bit of fin behind. The current project is beside the workbench. You can see it here: http://www.cox-internet.com/wilde/Pages/rubrail.htm I'm shooting for an early June launching. Then I'll break my nearly 20-year hiatus with a Monogram Space Taxi followed by Airfix's E-boat. Did you know that Glencoe has a reissue of the UFO, "...first science fiction plastic model ever..." with glow-in-the-dark alien pilot? I had to buy one. I think I had built it soon after the Delta Dart. We never do grow up, do we. Doug Wilde -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Henry T Chen" Subject: Great Fellow SMMLies Hi All, A few weeks ago I made a posting inquiring about models shops in Taipei, Taiwan. Not only did I get great responses from fellow SMMLies, two of them living in Taiwan, Lee and Melvin, each actally spent a while day showing me the city.... I want to make it known that I think that SMMLies are great bunch of people who share the same hobby and interests.... Thank you too Shane for maintaining this great web site for all of us..... Henry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: 1/350 detail part query Hi all, I am wondering if there are any aftermarket sets for quad pom-poms, 20mm Oerlikons and Carley floats ... hey WEM. . some of these in resin would be nice. Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: wem Subject: Re: Tribbles >> Now, if you want to discuss the effect of tribbles on a D-7 battlecruiser.... David R. Wells who is waiting for Snyder & Short paint chips for the D-7.... << Aw Dave, we managed to cloak them and haven't been able to find them since.... John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: A new and refreshing way in company/customer relationship I have recently wrote an email to Polish company Jadar (parent to Modelkrak) pointing out some problems and errors with their 1/700 "Kniaz Suvorow" and comparing it with Combrig's product, the reply I got is so refreshingly novel in its approach that I would like to share it with the rest of the list. Translation is mine but is done word for word with no omissions or additions: >> I have read your letter with great surprise. It is impossible for somebody with normal temperature and healthy brain to write such things. Unfortunatelly you conform to the standart of "Pole in England" (he means -how dare a Pole criticise a Polish product, that's not patriotic D.P.). I know that you will not comprehend this but our models are made on the basis of best available plans and photos of this ship. It is Combrig which is in error. Unless this ship is standing in your garden (no idea what he means D.P.), in which case I apologise. Darek Szenfeld << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Edwparent@aol.com Subject: CSS Stonewall Information Erik, Thank you very much for the images of this ship. I had not seen these before. The cross sectional views were particularly interesting. It certainly had a mean looking ram! No telling how our Civil War would have ended if the South had gotten a few of these armored fast rams sooner in their navy. Sincerely, Ed Parent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Percy, John" Subject: Saratoga museum store Hi Everybody, For those in the NE, I just happened to be in the Rhode Island Mall in Warwick, and there is a new store - the USS Saratoga Museum store (at Quonesett Point). I think its a nonprofit store trying to raise funds. They have lots of neat photos, shirts, mugs, caps to buy (not just Saratoga, but Navy stuff). And to qualify for the SMML, they have Saratoga models, too. 8) The typical 1/542 (?) Revell/Monogram model, plus some italeri. There are som build-ups there too, including one that is 3-4 feet long (nothing to write home about). Plus, the guy who was there are the time was really nice. Check it out (I'm not associated with it). John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/350 Forest Sherman (not yet) I talked to Tom at JAG. No Forest Sherman is planned. I also talked to Peter Hall at WEM. I asked him to suggest the idea of a 1/350 Forest Sherman in the 1950s fit to Carolyn. I think it would be a great companion model to go with their 1/350 Knox and Stoddart kits. While I was at it I suggested a Galveston class cruiser in the 1960s fit. Hey, why not? As long as I was sending letters to Santa Claus, I may as well cover all the bases. Let's all hope for a 1/350 Forrest Sherman class DD. If they hear from enough of us maybe we'll see one. I would be the first one in line for such a kit. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: My first model I remember it very well. My dad bought me the old Monogram P-51 Black Widow kit and I worked on that thing a LONG time. At least 5 hours. Okay, not that long, but it sure seemed like a long time to a 10 year old kid. Crap, I'm suddenly feeling very old. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: SMS Goeben; my first kit; what else you build/have built First, I'd like a model of SMS Goeben, which I'd build as Yavuz circa WWII. But, I wouldn't be buying it for a few years, since As for my first kit, it is lost in the depths of my brain, possibly stored in one of the many brain cells wiped out in my college years. I remember building ships; I had the Revell 1/720 Enterprise (loved that beehive), a Coast Guard icebreaker, and I recently found my Aurora USS Bainbridge, though many pieces are missing. I may rebuild it, though removing the great gobs of glue is proving difficult. I didn't paint much, since the plastic was already "navy grey", but I did highlight some bits in black, and applied the supplied decals. I also found the Lindberg LCU, sans tank, with all of its parts. I actually painted it with a red hull, in multiple shades including metallic pink! People have mentioned non-ship subjects, so I'm going to start a new thread. What else have you built? What are the more memorable "not ships" you've built, and what other models types do you like to build? The model I remember most was the Aurora Hunchback of Notre Dame, the glow-in-the-dark version. That thing creeped me out as a little kid, and I actually put it in my closet and closed the door at night. My other current subject line is aircraft carried by the USS New Jersey. I've just finished an SC-1, am building an HO3S-1, and have an SH-2F and a Kingfisher in queue. I may add a UH-1 for Vietnam, though she didn't actually carry them, only landed visiting dignitaries. All but the SC-1 are in 1/48th, and I'm hoping someone will make one in that scale so I can make a proper grouping. I'm also going to pick up a Glencoe Martin MB-2, the type General Mitchell's people used to sink the first USS New Jersey. In the past, I went through phases building cars, custom vans, tanks, and sci-fi types, including the required AMT USS Enterprise and other Star Trek subjects. I built all kinds of planes, from a HP O/400 I picked up at Rhinebeck Aerodrome to the 1/72 B-52 that hung in my bedroom for years, partially painted - I finished an entire Testors bottle and still had most of that thing to go. I think the only two subjects I haven't yet tried are figures, except those that come with armoured vehicle models, and sailing vessels. Fond memories. I think I'll make some more this weekend. To heck with unpacking! Joe Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Parrot feathers For all you diorama guys and gals out there, I have a great tip for you. Last night I was watching the Travel Channel. Yeah, I know what you're thinking, but sometimes they have some interesting stuff on there. For instance, they were running a program on the unique architecture in Las Vegas. Specifically, the wild designs in the new casinos built as of late. What's this got to do with modeling? They were interviewing a professional architectural model builder who built the models for all these wild casinos there. While he was showing off his model of the Venetian Casino he mentioned the Palm trees. They were VERY realistic looking. His secret to making the Palm leaves was PARROT FEATHERS! Depending on the scale, I would think any type of feather would work as well. So get to the pet shop and start cleaning those cages! You pick up hints and tips from the most unlikely places! Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard http://okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: JoeSims@webtv.net (Joe Sims) Subject: mixing gloss and flat colors Hey Friends, I'm using Model master RLM 63 topside on a 1/350 Bismark I like it, but I would like to make it a little darker. The problem is that RLM 63 is a semi-gloss and all the paints I want to use, are flat colors. Can one mix semi-gloss w/flat colors and get good results? I would use a color of the same brand.(?) Thanks, Joe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Correct masts (not too much to ask) I've been following the thread on why manufacturers refuse to make masts correctly. The whole point of my original post was they COULD do them correctly if they wanted to. There's nothing special about them. There are at least a dozen more complicated parts in every ship kit I've ever built than the masts. And don't give me that stuff about the parts are just too fine to inject reliably. Skywave does parts far more delicate than masts every day. A while back, I built the old 1/400 Heller Potemkin kit. The masts were correct and looked wonderful, so don't tell me it's too much trouble or just too difficult to cut the tool. If they were doing it right 30 years ago, it would be a lead pipe cinch to do it correct today. I think it's just laziness on the company's part. As someone mentioned earlier, most people wouldn't know or care. Unfortunately, that's the mentality of most of the big model makers. That's exactly why I prefer kits produced by cottage industries. For the most part, their philosophy is exactly the opposite. "Do it accurately and correct or don't do it." I don't care if their kits are more expensive. I'll pay the extra money for the accuracy, TLC and attention to detail that most of these guys put into their kits. To them (and me) it's just as important to get it accurate as it is to make money. Unfortunately, most big model companies look at the bottom line above all else. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard http//:okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Btbldr" Subject: Cost Cutting on Plastic Hi folks In this time of layoffs and economic recession, what about a thread on saving money... I read earlier about possibly using the plastic found between 10x8 photographic paper as a raw supply alternative, but the Photo shop locally said it gets delivered in rolls, not sheets and he never heard of plastic dividers. Given the huge (retail) price of styrene, I was thinking of alternatives e.g. recycling etc. I found on the web this list of numbers explaining the symbols inside the "recycling arrows" and I was hoping the chemists, alchemists? ;-) and biochemists among us could comment on the feasibility or usability of this stuff. Glue, long term ultraviolet, crazing, degrading, ability to take acrylic paint etc. 1 - Polyethylene terephthalate (PET) 2 - High-Density Polyethylene (HDPE) 3 - Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC) 4 - Low-Density Polyethylene (LDPE) 5 - Polypropylene (PP) 6 - Polystyrene (PS) 7 - Other resins, like acrylonitrile butadine styrene (ABS) Finally - any other comments on sources of styrene alternatives (or styrene itself - like the photo paper dividers story) would be most welcome... regards Boatbldr -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Robert Bendorf" Subject: My first plastic kit all the talk about 1st models...my first I don't really remember...but as a boy of 12 years on...I mowed lawns to feed my modeling habit...I probably mostly enjoyed ships...and can remember as a boy of 14 or so, building the probably Revell S.S. United States...it was a wonderful feeling completing the ship (s) I also built the Hospital Ship Haven...all white and such with those magnificant red crosses all over it!....and looking down the gangways on the covered outer decks and pretending that I was walking on those ships in the mid-ocean...I'm now 54 years old...got two kids in college...but I hope to take a cruise...Ideally maybe an transatlantic one...on the QEII...so sorry to see the state of the S.S. United States today...just discovered 3 months ago that she still survives in an industrial pier in Philadelphia...hope that we Americans can get enough support from government and private sources to save her from scrapping and refurbish her...she's such a marvelous example of our maritime history...we Americans have too few examples of these things that reflect our national pride...anybody listening...please do what you can to can...spread the word about her restoration...just the ramblings of a boy who will never grow up! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: first ship kit My first ship kit was done when I was 12 to enter in our school's 6th grade model show. I fell in love with Revell's USS Olympia. I prepainted all the parts and was able to put it together and rig it in the six hours that I had to do it at school. The night of the show, I won the blue ribbon (the only such prize I have ever won in my entire life). It was later destroyed by younger brother when he got mad at me. I built it again when I was a senior in high school and my mother destroyed it when she got mad at me. I am now building it for the third time and hope to keep it safe from anyone else in my family. Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ernst-Bernhard Kayser Subject: Re: Paper Models >> Could any of US based members tell me if any of American based companies stock a range of cardboard ship models made by German firm "Hamburg"?? Website of the stockist would be appreciated too... << Dear D.Przezdziecki, I guess the firm you are referring to is: "Hamburger Modellbaubogen Verlag" or short "HMV". For a list of HMV dealers in the U.S. go to the "Cardboard Modeling FAQ" website and read their chapter on mailorders. There are a couple of vendors which sell HMV models. "Paper Models International" seems to be the only such dealer with a catalog on the web. However, it does not allow you to search for HMV models. Unless you already exactly know what you are looking for it is extremely tedious to filter out the HMV models (only the item number gives them away). If you need an overview of the HMV line and want to see color pictures I recommend to go to the German vendor "Scheuer & Strüver" instead . (I think that HMV is part of "Scheuer & Strüver".) They have an english version of their website (if necessary click the dim little english flag). Click the Shop icon, then do a powersearch for HMV in the Publisher/Manufacturer field. It will dredge up all the HMV models and acessories. So far, I bought one of the HMV models, the German Coast Guard ship Mellum, a multipurpose vessel, part ocean-going tug, part buoy tender, part ice-breaker. It looks very busy - way cool. The print quality was impressive: very crisp lines and nice colors. It was far better than what I was used to see with "Wilhelmshavener Modellbaubogen" kits, my old gold standard. Also, the level of details is remarkable. I also bought the photoetch detail set for this ship (railings, crane laticework, mast details, etc.) It is more expensive than the ship kit itself but definitively worth having. Unfortunately, I cannot comment on the parts fit since the "Mellum" is still in the pile of future projects. By the way, I bought my model directly from "Scheuer & Strüver", no problem if you have a credit card. Despite the fact that it was shipped the cheapest way possible it arrived within 10 days of ordering, a pleasant surprise. The only thing that slightly bugged me was "Scheuer & Strüver"'s policy not to confirm orders - uncomprehensible to me. Thus, from the time I placed my electronic order to the time stuff arrives at my doorstep I kept guessing: did they get the order? is the kit in stock?. I hope this was helpful. Bernhard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Re: Brooklyn Warning >> If any of the list mambers plans to order NCR Resin's 1/700 model of USS Brooklyn (ACR 3) please take my advice and DON'T - what NCR has done to this beautifull ship is NOT short of criminal. << I love a good murder mystery. Is the molding center stuffed like the Classic 1:700 Oregon or are there greater problems? Even though this kit is pretty far down on my buy list, I would still appreciate a bit more description before I readjust the list. Regards, RhinoBones PS - I believe you wanted some pictures of the Kombrig Tsesarevitch. They should available after I return from travel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: JVT7532@aol.com Subject: Supermarine Walrus Greetings everyone, just popping out of the lurk mode here to ask if anyone can help me out with a Supermarine Walrus I'm building? I need some idea what the interior of the seaplane looks like, I have one small photo of the flight deck showing part of the pilots seat and the instrument panel but nothing else, there's a navigator gunner station behind the cockpit and also a front gunners tub that I want to detail. All information is greatly appreciated. Oh yes one other thing, what kind of flooring was used as decking inside the aircraft, I'm thinking it was something ribbed because of shipping water, any idea's? Thanks for listening. Best regards, Jon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Richard Wootten Subject: Re: First Plastic Kit There were a series of plastic Airplane kits made by Frog available in the U.K as early as 1942-43. It included Spitfire, Hurricane, Swordfish, Blenheim, Beaufighter, Skua, Wellington and and a number of others. There may have been some American planes but I don't think any Axis, at least I never saw one. They were good quality, very advanced for their time when must kits were the wood(not Balsa, it was virtually unobtainable unless you were fortunate enough to find a life raft on the tide line as I did). They included transparent acrylic cockpit covers, decals that really did work and a fair amount of moulded work in the way of rivets, wing panels ailerons etc. Cost about 5 shillings or seven shillings and sixpence. There were 20 shillings to the pound and the pound was worth 5 dollars in those days. Now a stack of those in their boxes would be worth having but they were fun to make and I don't know of any survivors. Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: 1/600 ships, especially destroyers have heart - you are not alone. By my count there are eight destroyers in 1/600 - four from Airfix (Cossack, Hero, Campletown and Daring) and six from Skytrex (Vivien (V&W Wair), Versatile (V&W LRE), Middleton (Hunt II), Berkley(Hunt I), unnamed US 4 stacker and US 4 stack conversion). Skytrex also have in 600 a Fl***r, Algerine, Halcyon & Bangor class minesweepers, and Isle and Round Table class escort trawlers. Not to mention Upholder, 7 MTB/MGBs, + numerous landing craft and merchant types - and that just the British stuff. John Sutherland Wellington NZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: HMS Upholder and Illustrious Would appreciate it if someone can tell me what colour scheme the above were in whilst serving in the Mediterranean 1940-41 or point me to a reference. Many thanks John Sutherland Wellington, NZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: On the bench yes, well ... here goes! After a search I located - 4 WEM Type 22 Destroyers between 50% and 90% complete; WEM Flower about 85% complete WEM Dido - on hold awaiting missing bits - about 40% complete HiMold Kitakami (Kaiten version) - about 85% complete 8 Skywave Minekaze class destroyers in different configurations - 98% complete 4 Skywave Chidori class torpedo boats - 98% complete 4 Skywave Otori class torpedo boats - between 80 and 95% complete Heller Illustrious - 70% complete Skywave Sabik - 50% complete Skytrex Middleton - 25% complete Skytrex Upholder - 75% complete 9 Skytrex merchant ships between 40 and 90% complete The airgroup for the otherwise completed HiMold Zuiho needs finishing .... possibly others - keep finding partially completed models all over the place ..... think there's a couple of unfinished airliners around the place somewhere too... Contrary to popular rumours I DO finish the occassional model..... (Steve Wiper and some of the Wellington locals can attest to that) Next project(s)? Well, only about 200 or so unbuilt ship models, 100 or so airliners, hundreds of other aircraft... sigh! John Sutherland Wellington NZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Barton B Cox Subject: First model Christmas of 1954 brought a present to me of an Aurora model of the Fokker D-VII biplane from World War I. The box art was beautiful with a painting of a D-VII being attacked by an English biplane and going down streaming garish yellow flames as a result. Being 6 years old and having no one to give me any pointers I got it together somehow. Not knowing how to read instructions at this point I wound up with a complete 7 cylinder engine which was seperate from the plane because I had already glued the fuselage together and could not put the engine in at that point. No one told me that a glued piece had to be held immobile for about thirty minutes. I glued the struts and top wing to the lower wing and left it. The next day the assembly had settled to an X-shaped wing shape. The next model was the Revell New Jersey about a year later and ships have been Number one ever since. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: International Maritime Modeling May 2001 Update I am pleased to announce the May 2001 Update of International Maritime Modeling. http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm The May 2001 update to the site includes: Photos of Gary Kingzett's 1/600 scale HMS Iron Duke, Mark Krumrey's 1/72 scale PT 109, Stan Pienkowski's 1/72 scale PT 171 and MY 1/600 scale HMS Ajax in the Gallery. Review of the Mirage 1/400 scale V106 Torpedo Boat and the Heller 1/400 Scale Lützow kits in Quick Kit Reviews. "Building A Mid 1941 HMS Ajax" by Felix Bustelo in the Articles Page. Added the Traprats page and updated the Part and White Ensign Models pages in the Photoetch List Page. Added a page for HP Models kits and updated the L'Arsenal, Lindberg, Renwal and Otaki with new/corrected information in the Kit List Page. Updated the Warship Books page to include new inventory and clearance items. Updated the Model Ship Journal page to include information on the lastest issue. Related updates to the Links page. Please stop by for a visit. Regards, Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling URL: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: For Sale: Classic Warships Yorktown Class Carriers Hi Folks, Somehow, I wound up with 2 of these terrific books!! They are a must for the ship modeler or Naval History buff. I have one for sale for $10 + 3.00 priority mail postage. Email me directly if interested. Regards, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume