Subject: SMML VOL 1240 Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 16:46:47 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Frog Kits 2: Pedestal 1942 3: HMS Pennywort .. aka Ilustrating Flowers 4: HMS Tiger 5: Re: Modeler's wives 6: Re: P-51, P-61 who cares? 7: To Ken Goldman. Keeping it in perspective 8: Re: My first model 9: AERO JOURNAL, No 18 10: First ship 11: What else have I built? 12: First model & VC-10 13: Memorable ship kits I've built 14: In praise of Run Silent ... 15: Re: Miscellaneous 16: Re: First model 17: Re: Camouflage Review 18: Whatever happened to..... 19: Re: Gearing Frams 20: Re: Modelers' mates 21: New 1/600 DD's and smaller from Peter Hall 22: Ashville question and first model 23: Re: alternate plastics -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: BOOKS FOR SALE 2: Tom's Modelworks update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "John Rule" Subject: Frog Kits >> They included transparent acrylic cockpit covers, decals that really did work and a fair amount of moulded work in the way of rivets, wing panels ailerons etc. Cost about 5 shillings or seven shillings and sixpence. There were 20 shillings to the pound and the pound was worth 5 dollars in those days. Now a stack of those in their boxes would be worth having but they were fun to make and I don't know of any survivors.<< How the memory fades. When I built some of these kits they cost about 2 shillings. And for each dollar I was sent from Canada I got about 8 shillings and 4 pence. Also Frog did some axis aircraft. I still have a Me 109F. The moulds are still being used and kits being marketed by a myriad of former eastern bloc countries. Happy modelling and memories. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Edward Wyatt" Subject: Pedestal 1942 Hi "JOHN STAGGS" Perhaps can help, you if you let me have your E MAIL address? Edward Wyatt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: HMS Pennywort .. aka Ilustrating Flowers I recently found out that a local fellow (recently deceased) served in command of HMS Pennywort in Feb-August 1943. I would like to do a profile of the ship as she appeared around this time and am wondering if anyone knows when the acoustic hammer and assorted frame was removed from her, and if she was still in the same pattern as seen in John Lambert's recent Flower book. Lt OG Stuart RCNVR then went on to command HMS Abelia from August until March 1944. . again, anyone know her appearance in this time frame? I am also interested in contact with anyone who served in Allied escort ships from destroyer size down with the idea of eventually illustrating these ships. So far I just have various Flower Class masters done, but will be starting some other classes sooner or later. Regards, Bob Pearson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "JOHN CURRIE" Subject: HMS Tiger Hi all, Does anyone know of anyone who supples the Matchbox 1/700 HMS TIGER, it is out of production at the moment. Thanks in advance, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Modeler's wives Paul Jacobs wrote: >> Maybe the next time you and your wife drive by the jewelry store you should say, "I haven't bought you jewelry in a long time, let's go in and get something." << Uh Oh!! I am not even sure where there is a jewelry store!! I could be in big trouble - thanks for the tip!! Mike NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: P-51, P-61 who cares? >> I'm probably even older than you are! We had P51's when I joined the Air National Guard in 1946, but they were called Mustangs, not Black Widows. << Yeah, Ken Goldman already pointed that one out. I'm going to start sending him all my mail first :-). Hey! I'm a ship guy. What do you expect! Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard http://okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: To Ken Goldman. Keeping it in perspective Just to keep all this in perspective. Ken has been pointing out some of my misspellings, mistakes and funny grammarical errors (let's not forget the deck wenches thing) for some time now. Keep it up Ken! I wouldn't trade your good natured ribbing for anything :-)! It certainly doesn't offend me, and it gives me a real chuckle. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard http://okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Ron Schmitt" Subject: Re: My first model Like many my first plastic ship model was the Revell Missouri. Does any one remember the motorized version? However my first ship model was the Monogram Shangra-La. Balsa and lots of bits of wire for guns and lots cutting out the parts out of a sheet of balsa, lots of sanding and sealing. My older brother helped me with that one. My local version of a hobby shop was a neighbor hood drug store complete with soda fountain and magazine rack. The pharmacy had been converted into a small hobby department. What a wonderful world. The smell of Testors Dope and glue. My first airplane was a Strombecker Beech Bonanza. I think I put about 10 coats of Testors Yellow dope on the thing or maybe it was 9 on the plane and 1 on me. Notice how more things change the more they stay the same? In 2001 we scrimp and save and wish for that new 1/350 USS---- and in 1954 we saved weeks of our allowance to buy the Aurora ME-109 all 8 parts of it? Ron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Jean-Paul Binot" Subject: AERO JOURNAL, No 18 Harold Stockton is right! Aéro Journal is a great source of detailed information. They focus mainly on French matters and have very often featured articles with naval content (that's when I purchase the magazine. Usually I don't). For example, Nr 17: La lutte aéronavale, with articles on the aerosiluranti (heavy torpedo units of the Italian air-force), the loss of the Repulse and Prince of Wales, Swordfish planes in service with the RAF, ... Nr 14: Menace sur Dakar, with articles on the ill-fated attempt by Gaullist forces to seize the French colony in September 40 (The cover of the magazine features a nice photograph of a Curtis H75 overflying the Richelieu. Also articles on Finnish Heinkel 115 floatplanes in WWII and a short round on naval observation planes, including a centerfold with 11 colour profiles of floatplanes of various nationalities. Also a rare colour shot shot of a Swordfish, dated 1939. Nr. 9: Fleet Air Arm. A nice coverage of the subject, with many colour profiles. Regarding Nr 18, as recommended by Harold, I would add that the nice photograph on the cover shows the catapult and Loire 130 of the battleship Dunkerque (Her sister-ship Strasbourg is in the background and can be easily identified thanks to her two-level bridge, Dunkerque having a one-level one). The photograph, I guess a wartime shot since the plane has its antisubmarine grenades fitted and ready, is probably dated end-1939 or early 1940 since both ships are painted in dark gray, as they were when based in Brest as part of the Force de Raid, chasing German raiders in the Atlantic. About the photograph of the Commandant Teste seaplane tender, it was taken in Beyrouth, which is of course in Lebanon, a French protectorate at the time. I recommand Aero Journal to all SMMLer, at least when there is a naval-related content (which would require being able to scan the content at a newsstand), or better to buy a one-year subscription (advertised as 6 issues, 38.11 Euro airmail worldwide, 29.73 France, 34.30 European Union and Switzerland). The non-naval stuff is interesting as well, and all participants in this newslist are open-minded individials after all... Jean-Paul Binot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Ned Barnett Subject: First ship >> What ever happened to my first ship model? At present (If it isn't land fill) it rests at the bottom of Round Lake, just north of Chicago, ILL., with the distinction of being the only Essex class CV ever sunk by July 4th fireworks. << Sorry, Bert, but you don't have that distinction (though yours may have been the first); I know for a fact that a whole fleet of (mostly) Revell plastics lie in the muck of the North Branch of the East Fork of the Chicago River (on the border of Deerfield and Highland Park), done in by fireworks and burning tube glue in the early 60s ... they looked as good as what you found in that first generation of WW-II Navy movies ... (at least). My first ship (and a lot of her sisters) lie in that muck, which (considering my novice building skills at the time) was exactly where they belonged Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Ned Barnett Subject: What else have I built? OK, a new thread got started, and here's my input - a few of my more memorable "what else" models. After too long (18 or 19 years), I'm getting back into model railroading - this time in HO since I want to build the FIRST railroads, and those are only available in HO. But last time, I was in N gauge - a lot like tiny ships - and I scratch-built (on a flat-car chassis) a yard crummy - a home-made caboose used by yard crews, based on one I found in the weeds in Memphis. That was memorable. I built a barn vignette with SEE ROCK CITY on the roof as an office-warming for a friend opening a business in Chattanooga - that lasted in their office for 15 years, through three moves ... I built a boxed vignette of my now-ex wife leaving me while I spray painted a float plane in my hobby room. She didn't get the hint ... (sigh) I did a diorama of the Nautilus sailing under the North Pole (baking soda over Styrofoam) - it won an award for terminal bizarreness at an IPMS function. I built a WW-I tank armored recovery vehicle, a conversion of a Mk. I "Mother" tank - it earned me one of my few IPMS/USA national awards. Speaking of IPMS Nationals, I built a large box diorama (in the polished wooden case of an old FM/Hi-Fi radio from the late 50s) of the registration desk at IPMS/Phoenix in '83. The figures were from Tamiya's race car pit crew set (1/20 or 1/24 - I don't remember) and the furniture was cut down from doll-house scale 1/12. The table was laden with dozens of models in scale - mostly 1/700 aircraft from various sets and kits - many of them converted (P-36 from P-40 and P47, etc.). The figures included somebody's bored girlfriend drafted into sitting at the registration table, a photographer (a self-portrait, but with my back to the viewing section), other modelers, etc. The centerpiece of the action was a balding modeler who - while setting his prized B-17 kit on the table, stumbled - he's falling backwards and the kit is half-on, half-off the table. I called it "The Crash of '83" ... and took it to the '83 convention where it got lots of interest (but no prizes) - later saw the same concept re-done many times (what they say about flattery and plagiarism ) ... I could go on (as you know), but enough ... Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Loren Perry Subject: First model & VC-10 >> My first model was not actually built by myself, but my father. It was the Airfix VC-10 in BOAC markings, and the event may have prejudiced my opinion, but I think the VC-10 is the most beautiful subsonic airliner ever built. << My first ship kit was Lindberg's LST. I received it when I was about 8 or 9 years old and even managed to rig the plastic railing stanchions with thread (an early sign of my future career?) I was never so proud of a model as that one. It lasted two days - I accidentally sat on it in the chair where I had absent-mindedly left it. It was like losing a beloved family member to me. Shortly after came a seemingly endless parade of Revell and Lindberg ship kits with a Marx "Sea Witch" clipper ship being my masterpiece of that era. I think my first airplane kit was Lindberg's big B-17, a moldmaker's triumph of the time with retractable landing gear, a full crew for the interior, and clear windows everywhere. Amazing how the memory hangs on to those distant details. I loved the old Revell sailing ship kits, built almost all of them, and even have some unbuilt today, including a rare 3-in-1 gift set with Santa Maria, Constitution, and Bounty all in one box. The early Revell box art was superb, especially the paintings that depicted the models as just that - models - resplendant on a desk in a fine home somewhere. Later on, when artist John Steel produced box art for Revell's ship kits, I bought their models all over again just for the "Picture Fleet" box tops that of course were "suitable for framing". I never framed any of them, but I saved the artwork for years in a larger box. As for the VC-10, for years I have always admired that beautiful machine, one of Vickers' finest creations. It is surely the most graceful and appealing of all jetliners, and I've had two models of it in my past. Even the Russian Il-62 is a sort of backhanded compliment to the cleanliness of the design. But for sheer unqualified beauty, I still believe the Lockheed Constellation is tops, especially the earlier 049 through 749 versions. Hardly a straight line on it - all sensuous curves and perfectly proportioned. A travel agent's dream come true, this plane was industrial art at its best. I know this isn't on topic, so I'll end it here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Memorable ship kits I've built I enjoy reading the memory lane excursions (What we've built that sticks in the mind), so let me start a new thread and weigh in. First, I remember a kit of a fishing trawler - I think it was Aurora - that was in fact a Russian spy ship. I built that as my first ship diorama, and had a blast. The kit was large enough in scale (in the pre-after market days) that I could detail it out by kit-bashing from tanks and planes and such, and by customizing things (tarp-cover for the whaleboat, etc.). The base, a stormy North Atlantic, was made out of spackle (hey, it was my first and I was experimenting). It worked, too, except for the drying/shrinkage cracks, which I filled in with more spackle. I painted the ocean only dark blue - the spackle was so absorbent that it would suck the color out of the first few coats, letting me get fine shading gradations with just one color - from almost white to deep blue-black. With a coat of gloss, it really worked. I mentioned briefly my Nautilus diorama - just the ice-covered North Pole with the sub implied by the title name. Made me want to build a real Nautilus (and now Lindberg's out with a faux-Nautilus if I aspire to real major conversions ). But some others include an LCM and DUWK from Airfix in a landing diorama, with lots of details to bring out the rather basic nature of the kits (I plan to do that bigger with that awful French LCVP, the Airfix kits and a trashed Airfix Water Buffalo), maybe for the 60th Anniversary of D-Day. Those are some memorable ship kits - I've built many others out of the box, but those don't qualify for memorable. My next memorable one (if I ever finish it) is my ongoing scratch-built Noah's Ark, still in progress ... Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Ned Barnett Subject: In praise of Run Silent ... As a film, it was no where near as good as the book; and having developed a bond with the narrator character (Rich Richardson) in the book, I was sorry to see what they did to him. I guess they needed to do a lot of story condensing to make that book into a movie. Sigh. BUT DAMN, Y'ALL, they sure let us see some fine sub-shots in that film. I just bought the video for $6 at the used video store, and had forgotten how great those sub shots looked, or how much detail you could pluck from the film. Made me salivate for that Revell Gato out in the garage (still in the box) with the after-market '43 conning tower (Nautilus, I think). Whew ... With those exceptional Floating Drydock plans, the Squadron in action book (for color) and this, I'm ready to start carving plastic ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: isublett@home.com Subject: Re: Miscellaneous I went into my favorite local used bookstore on May 1 (sorry, I've been busy), and amoung many other things they were unloading were Burt's two books on early British battleships (1889-1904 and WWI)for about $25 each. Both are very badly highlighted but the plans look OK. If anybody's interested the store is: Wahrenbrocks Book House, 726 Braodway, San Diego,CA, USA, 619-232-0132. Oh, they also had Terzibaschitsch's Escort Carriers of the U.S. Navy likewise highlighted for $17.50. Did you ever look at a book someone has highlighted and try to figure out why the particular passages were vandalized? You want to grab the "reseacher" by the throat and yell. Re: my own first wife of now almost 34 years wants me to note to you all that she still thinks I'm nuts for building models, although she likes model railroading and sailing ships, but her hobby is photography and those people are REALLY crazy. So, we get along. Re: first plastic model - much less ship: I've been wracking what's left of my brain, and I can't remember. Nearly the first ships were some very small sailing ships done in white plastic. I clearly remember the three Strombecker wooden ships, but they were actually later. If it was moulded between 1952 and 1962 in the U.S., I built it (except for autos - never could get interested in models). And, who manufactured the balsa (yes, Heaven help us) models of the Missouri, an Essex class carrier, a Baltimore class cruiser and a destroyer of some kind. Did anyone actually ever complete the carrier? Balsa aircraft bodies with card wings, empenage and landing gear in about 1/350th? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "muirandmuir" Subject: Re: First model Shane, As to first plastic model: a Revell military transport (USS ?) in the early 1950s. First timber model and first scratchbuild: a model of the canoe that starred in a book called 'Paddle to the Sea' about a boys model canoe that meandered through the Great Lakes to the Atlantic. Still have the model, would love to find a copy of the book. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Marsh Edwin Subject: Re: Camouflage Review Mr. Langtree, It's quite interesting that even though there is now plenty of evidence that Mr. Raven did his work in researching the information in his book, you still haven't accepted it. So, to satisfy you, I have directly compared the pictures you so like to reference on the AWM website to this book, and it's interesting what I found. Starting with your argument on the Nepal and the camouflage represented on page 35 of the book, I looked at the four photos on the AWM site which most closely represent this time period. These are the following photos I reference by negative number: P00490.031 041365 301078 301079 There is another, I believe it is 041364, that also shows this scheme. Although the quality of the scan is poor, these photos show that the design represented in the book is the same as the photographic evidence. Also, both the book, and the AWM site, state that this was an unofficial scheme (reference to neg. #301078). Next is your reference to page 28 showing a three color scheme. Only one photo on the AWM site shows this scheme, and that is P00490.032. The quality of this photo isn't good enough to determine if there was a third color of not, but the colors on the bridge, funnel, and aft superstructure don't match the colors on the hull, and could represent a third color. Also, since the pattern on page 28 (at completion, early 1942) was replaced by the scheme on page 35 (stated as October 1942 in the book and on the site), your statement about simpler schemes wouldn't apply here. Finally, in an earlier message you questioned the correctness of the Norman's scheme on page 32. Here are two pictures from the AWM site, port and starboard: 041342 port 301099 stbd These two photos match the scheme in the book, right down to the outlining of the dark portions of the scheme. So, this is, by your own resource, a contradiction of most of what you've had to say about the inaccuracies in Mr. Raven's book. All of these photos mentioned above confirm Mr. Raven's research, and places into question your statements and charges. I look forward to your response. Ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Whatever happened to..... Ages ego (back in Volume 1013),Kerry Jang wrote that he was working on exact drawings of "Ting Yuen" Chinese battleship. Kerry if you are still there,can you tell me how is the work progressing?? I would be very interested in getting my paws on a good set of drawings of this ship. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: royrichey@att.net Subject: Re: Gearing Frams For Gene at JAG, When you do these you might take a look at having an option for the 'odd-balls' If I remember correctly there were 9 of them, kept mt.52 and lost mt. 53. USS Agerholm (DD-826) was one of them (WESTPAC '72). Might make a interesting diversion. Roy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Jodie Peeler Subject: Re: Modelers' mates hello all.... Paul Jacobs wrote: >> Maybe the next time you and your wife drive by the jewelry store you should say, "I haven't bought you jewelry in a long time, let's go in and get something." << A nice sentiment, yes, but some of us are easier to please. Just the other day the boyfriend and I were in our spare bedroom as he did some weeding for the upcoming move, and he tossed me a Tamiya F4D -- not only the kit, but also a resin cockpit set and a resin wingfold set. He could have made at least $40 off it, but just gave it to me, and made my day in so doing. What a guy I have.... :) jodie (who's started building stuff at so young an age she can't remember what her first model was!) http://www.mindspring.com/~raisingirl -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Connor, Michael" Subject: New 1/600 DD's and smaller from Peter Hall Hi All, Felix Bustelo wrote that Peter may be interested in producing a smaller model once he has finished his Didio cruiser. Well Felix you can tell Peter to count me in for at least one if it is a DD, either ww2 or post war. I don't care. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: steven lau Subject: Ashville question and first model I am working on the JAG kit of the Ashville (Tacoma) and wondered if anyone out there knows what the top of the gas turbine exhaust stack looks like? On the kit it is just solid flat resin. I presume that there is some sort of ducting as it is, after all, an exhaust. The only photo I've seen that even partially shows this area seems to show a flat central area with the vents around the edge. Is this correct? While we're at it, does anyone know of a good reference source for these ships? Thanks, any help will be appreciated. The first model I remember was a T-6 Texan kit that my father built with my brother and me. This was about 1965-66 or so. I remember it to be about 1/48 scale. Could this be the old Monogram kit? I've often wondered. My first ship kit was the Revell New Jersey. The one with the flat bottom that floated so well in the bath tub. I must have built about a dozen of them as a kid. By the time I became a teenager I also discovered that these great floatation characteristics also made these excellent "bomb ships" around the Fourth of July, often taking several missions before finally succumbing. Now days my own kids have no concept of what real fun is like! Thanks, Steven Lau. In rainy Lincoln, Nebraska. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Tim Brooks" Subject: Re: alternate plastics You can forget about any of them that are Polyethelene derivitives. They cannot be glued or painted, Period! I know people claim to be able to do so; I have worked with PE (polyethelene) in various forms since I was 20 and there ain't no such thing! It works great for bearing surfaces, being self-lubricating, but must be thermally or mecanically fastened. All of the plastics listed are PE's except the polystyrene (which is the familiar styrene of molded plastic kits and sheets); the PVC and the ABS. Styrene can be bought in large sheets (4X8 and larger), but given the number of possible thicknesses wanted that may not be the most practical method of acquistion, thus the cost of the pre-cut smaller sections. PVC works fine, but is only commonly available in round sections (like plumbing pipe), although there are some sheet materials available. Some of the Plastruct stuff is (or was, anyway) made of PVC, including sheet goods. Can be glued with solvent cement like styrene, paints well. Not very stable thermally, don't put models made with this in the window. The modified stuff used for hot water will stand up ok. The ABS is an unusual breed in and by itself. There is a version used by some RC modelers (me included) which is intended for sign shops use. It is composed of 2 hard surfaces with an expanded center between them. It is lightweight, easy to work (cuts and sands like wood), loves super-glue and takes paint extremely well. Talk to a local sign shop about where they get it. Comes in 4X8 foot sheets or bigger, cheaper than styrene. Only available in relatively thick sheets (1/16 and up), so not real great for smaller models. Takes paint well. Most common items (pipe) are in black only, the sheet sign material is a medium grey. Doesn't do well with UV, thus the tendancy for Black (which is UV inhibited). Regarding the gentleman trying to glue the vinyl Airfix figures: there is superglue made (Pacer, I think) for gluing Delrin plastic. This works great for those figures. Check out a web site that is for figure model kit builders for more info. Vinyl spackling paste is the appropriate filler. Use only latex or acrylic paint on the vinyl, since enamels and oils never dry on the stuff! Maybe we need to talk WEM into a perfect set of figures for the Corvette, say 30 or 40 guys in the appropriate poses for a few bucks? They could rip off the old Airfix crew figures if Airfix is gone, as I believe they are. Tim Brooks Hi Tim, I think you'll find Airfix is still going. Plus I don't think that anyone would condone ripping off other peoples work. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: lcp9 Subject: BOOKS FOR SALE I have the following books to sell, all prices include U.S. Postal Book rate shipping within the USA.. ATOS GAMBIER BAY, LIKE NEW $55.00 U.S CRUISERS BY NORMAN FRIEDMAN VERY GOOD CONDITION $55.00 MAN O' WAR #5 TOWN CLASS CRUISERS VERY GOOD CONDITION $40.00 WARSHIP #6,#7, #39 $VERY GOOD CONDITION 10.00 EACH WARSHIP PROFILES # 3 USS HORNET ; #7 HM MTB ; #13 HMS EXETER ; #14 SMS SEYDLITZ ; #17 RN ZARA ; #23 HMS FURIOUS ALL IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. $20.00 EACH Thank You, David Angelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Tom & Carolyn Harrison" Subject: Tom's Modelworks update Now that we are back up and running we would like to announce two of our latest 1/700 Scale detailing sets. Set 737 Rodney / Nelson set contains rails, cranes, radars etc. and sells for $10.00 and Set 749 Yamato / Musashi Detailing set which also contains rails, radars, vents and grills, catapults, crane etc. this set sells for $14.00 Both these sets, as well as all our detailing sets, are now shown on our web page. www.tomsmodelworks.com check with our local supplier for these new sets or they are available either directly from us or Pacific Front Hobbies. SMML and members ordering directly from us will receive free shipping. We have also made a major business direction change. We are getting away from resin casting, which will allow us to direct all our development time to brass. This change came about as we have been unable to support both lines equally. We know this will benefit the modeler as we will be able to develop a lot more etched brass detailing sets than we could resin kits. The 21 Arizona has gone to Steel Navy (Rhino Models), the Pearl Harbor Battleships and Casablanca Escort Carrier have been turned over to Iron Shipwright for their completion and release. e-mail us at tomsmodelworks@att.net our voice/fax number is 1-408-777-TOMS or our mail address 1050 Cranberry Dr. Cupertino, CA 95014 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume