Subject: SMML VOL 1260 Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:53:39 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: S&G WWI colors 2: Quickie: shizuoka ship news 3: Re: U-Boote questions 4: Cheap Books 5: Re: Hipper Class a la Koop 6: Re: Hasegawa 1/450 Vanguard 7: Submerged 8: Re: Working with Plasticard 9: some book reviews please!!! 10: German WWII prizes Vega, Venus, Viator (from Norway) 11: Wanted: British Submarine Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Washington DC Area SMMLcon report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: H.M.S. Vanguard (Post WW II battleship) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: isublett@home.com Subject: Re: S&G WWI colors I know I'm getting in a little late on this (have been out of town), but I have a great deal of difficulty seeing the two grays supposedly used on German warships in WWI. With the exception of that one really odd photo of Seydlitz in 1918 that always shows up, I can't see any difference in color between the hull and superstructure. From the information in the Imperial German Navy in WWI website, I don't think there was much contrast between "squirrel gray" on the hull and "silver gray" above, but photos don't show me any contrast at all. Does anyone know if the Imperial Navy actually used the slightly darker color on the hulls of its ships during the war? Pirie Sublett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Gernot Hassenpflug Subject: Quickie: shizuoka ship news Hi all, Just got back from Shizuoka, very exciting, very hurried, sweaty, elated, hungry, tired, lots and lots of pictures of club exhibits and some of new products. Developing - say one week, then will post good stuff. News, as follows: club exhibits excsllent, haven't read throught my brochures, but estimate 100 clubs there, some ships' only! New products: not much. Company rundown: Tamiya: best as ever, no one touches them, or even comes close. Spoke with Mr Tamiya, very impressive gentleman indeed. Aircraft - 1/32 A6M5 sticks out (sorry!). Other aircraft/ship etc innovation is the see-through gimmick. Osumi gets some extra parts for hull doors and interior, plus lots of vehicle types - that is a very pleasing thing. Then engines for turning props on various planes. Hasegawa: 1/48 Hayate Type I, 1/48 Spitfire Mk.IX, impressive. A6M52c, okay, parts for cowling, 13mm guns. B5N1, very interesting. Also a few others, noticeably some phot-etch for Kaga, Zuiho/Shoho. Special guests were the gentlemen that got Tamiyacon prizes. Nice refueling diorama (Fist of the Fleet)! Also toured Tamiya factory, nice to see the zero molds, and how they made them. Met with and was introduced to various ship modelers and clubs. Mindanao society (on the web too) you probably know. next is Mokei-Koosaku-Tai (model building association), which are a loose group with a ship chapter. Very nice: just scratch-built non-kitted models (like ex-USS Stewart). Got introduced to Navy Yard and heard how that group formed from remnants of the GF club, which was descended from the Hozonkai (Kawai-san's group which fell apart). The state of the art researchers at the moment I am told (younger associates from Kawai-san and Fukui Shizuo's groups). Also excellen modeler/researcher in Okayama, so I feel pretty happy. By now I have learned how to be a little less rude and direct, so I don't offend the japanese when I open my mouth, whew, lots of mistakes on the way! I didn't have time to talk much, just where I was stopped or asked questions. Didn't stay long at Skywave, even forgot to take pics of the Chokai and Maya mockup!!!! Really rushed, and the cases were so opaque photo would have been unaccepetable. Look good though, should be out end of May and beginning of June. More info during the week as I write up reports. Cheers, happy modeling. Gernot Hassenpflug -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Harold Stockton" Subject: Re: U-Boote questions To Dave Edgerly and the list: In Mr. Edgerley's question about "Does any one know if there is available resin/multimedia updates for the conning tower/bridge and weapons for the Revell U-99 Type VII-B?", there is an excellent book that you all may consult, TYPE-VII U-BOATS. Robert A. Stern. Brockhampton Press. London. 1998. The original retail sales price of this book was Pound 18.95 (Sterling). The book's five parts cover a full technical, photographic, and applicational use of the following sections of these boats. In the "Design Genesis" section there is a discussion on the early WW-I boats and how these were developed into the final Type VII submarine. The "Physical Characteristics of the System" section covers the propulsion, crew, provisioning, and sanitation systems aboard these vessels. Where Mr. Edgerly asked " I have not had much luck locating good references for the deck gun and antiaircraft weapons for the type VII-B either; any leads?", this book covers the varied weapons systems that were fitted to these boats during the war period. And, it is in the striking power of these boats that the real story begins. The "Weapons and Targetting Systems" segment of this book fully describes the torpedoes, mines, deck and Flak guns, and even the experimental weapons that these boats carried. As if to compliment any weapons system, there is the detection system that allowed these over 700 boats to wreck the carnage that they did. The book's "Sensor Systems" describes the radios, radars, radar detection devices, hydrophones, and the infra-red sensors, that these boats carried during their combat careers. For their own protection against detection, these vessel's "Countermeasures" have their own section of this book. As if "Stealth" technology was something new, these submarine's system of "Countermeasures" is discussed and illustrated fully. These included such things as their anti-radar and anti-sonar, coatings and decoys. Also, there is a complete section that covers the Kreigsmarine specifications that these boats carried. If anyone would be interested, I have a few NEW copies of this book available. Harold Stockton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "graham and melanie" Subject: Cheap Books To all in the UK, If you have not got them already Janes warships of WW1, Janes Warships of WW11 and Janes Aircraft of WW11 are on sale at the "Works" at only £7.99 each should be £25. I am just thankful that I did not buy the WW1 one last month at £25. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Peter Samolinski" Subject: Re: Hipper Class a la Koop In reference to the Koop Admiral Hipper book, I thought it was quite good; however, I have not read much else on the subject, so I can't compare it to anything else. The coverage on the Hipper herself is quite extensive, as is the detailed log of Blucher's sinking. I think they skimped on Prinz Eugen because of the massive amount of coverage elsewhere; Seydlitz & Lutzow get what [little] they deserve. Very good book, in my humble opion, but I really don't know if it's worth the $48.50. The gal at BookWorld, while looking at the title on microfiche, referred to it as "Admiral Hipster" - and now that is forever locked in my pea-brain! If anyone sees this book, could someone please explain what the curved things sticking out some of Prinz Eugen's portholes are on the cover photo? Pete -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Hasegawa 1/450 Vanguard Hi, There was a multi-part article in Model Ship Builder a few years ago on building, or modifying, the Hasegawa Vanguard. I think Robert Dick was the author, but I'm not sure. This should help a lot. Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Submerged I saw the NBC movie, SUBMERGED, about the Squalus sinking and rescue. It never ceases to amaze me how Hollywood can take a dramatic story and make it boring. As for making both the Squalus and the Sculpin into Type VIIC U-boats, I suppose that is only fair, considering how many movies were made with the Germans driving Patton tanks. Unfortunately, the idiot writer and director chose to call attention to their using the wrong submarine by having a feather-brain magazine reporter ask a question about U-boats. Changing the subject to PEARL HARBOR, having seen the television trailers, all I can say is that the attack on Pear Harbor looks an awful lot like a remake of STAR WARS. At least The Planes of Fame air museum in Chino, CA earned some well appreciated cash from the use of many of their aircraft. It was neat to see Photo Fanny, their B-25, on the NBC news after the awful movie. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: wem Subject: Re: Working with Plasticard Alan, >> Need help on different plasticard issue. Attempting to detail Revell's 1/125 U-99 conning tower/wintergarden floor with non-slip surface. Plan is to impress surface details of Model Accessories' 1/72 Brass AFV Steel Plate (Dotted Type) onto 0.010 plasticard. Tried coating plastic with liquid cement, then compressing brass/plasticard sandwich between jaws of wood clamp. Impression was uneven. Have not been able to heat plastic or brass effectively for this purpose. Any suggestions? << Try paper instead, and experiment a little. You should be able to clamp that against the brass for a good impression (perhaps a bit of VERY light dampening might help). Alternatively, you could paint the paper the proper deck color and then do a rubbing over the brass using an appropriately colored pencil to give the impression of paint wear on the metal tread. Then use that as your deck overlay. I would start with standard 20-pound paper stock. As an aside, I've used paper for curved sections on ships (most notably for forming the insides of the machine gun turrets on the Revell 1/72 PT boat--if I ever finish the blasted thing!). Once in place, give it a good does of thin super glue for it to absorb, and it becomes VERY hard. John Snyder, TTY White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: some book reviews please!!! I seek reviews of these books: - The Royal Fleet Auxiliary 1905 - 1985 by Tony James - The Sailing navy List by David Lyon - Lloyd´s register of shipping 1760 - 1960 by George Blake - Giants in the sky by Douglas Robinson - Sailing ships by Cedric Rogers - A history of American privateers by Edgar Stanton Maclay 1. Do these books show line drawings 2. Do they have information on certain ships or are just telling general history ? Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: German WWII prizes Vega, Venus, Viator (from Norway) Who can answer these questions: Vega (~1938 Norwegian transport; 1941: German Wega, target ship) completed in ? Venus (1931, Norwegian transport) range Viator (Norwegian transport, 1941 for Wehrmacht completed; 1943: Christian Sinding; 1945: Viator; 1946 French Guinée; 1963 Taiwanese Comfort) line drawing Thank you in advance!! Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: wem Subject: Wanted: British Submarine Models The Gibraltar Philatelic Bureau is looking to issue a set of stamps featuring British submarines. To this end they are seeking good quality photos--preferably against a white background--of good quality models of British submarines. Anyone interested should contact Sam Smith here in the UK at 023-9264-0711. Surely someone on SMML can help here.... John Snyder, TTY White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: maeisen@erols.com Subject: Washington DC Area SMMLcon report Folks: Just wanted to report that we had an excellent turnout for today's Washington DC area SMMLcon. About a dozen people showed up; many brought finished models for show and tell, as well as new kits and books they recently acquired. Speaking personally, though I suspect I speak for many of the other attendees, I enjoyed the event immensely. We plan to do another sometime later this autumn, so those who couldn't make it this time, hopefully will be able to make it next time. Many sincere thanks go to all who came, as well as to Chris Mikesh of Nostalgic Plastic, for hosting us. Hope to see you all at the next SMMLcon. Yours truly, Mike E -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: wem Subject: Re: H.M.S. Vanguard (Post WW II battleship) As regards reference materials for this ship, we sell a set of 1/192 plans by Sambrook of VANGUARD as built. Two sheets: Plan & Profile, and Lines/Decks/Details. Prices are 12.95 and 12.90 Pounds, respectively. 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