Subject: SMML VOL 1261 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:40:00 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Tall Lady wanted 2: Re: H.M.S. Vanguard (Post WW II battleship) 3: Re: "Hipper Class " book 4: Re: Hipper class a la koop 5: Cool photo site 6: Squalus-Sailfish-Sculpin 7: Bits 8: Excavating the Confederate submarine H.L. Hunley 9: Re: Wasp hull contours 10: Re: German WWII prizes Vega, Venus, Viator (from Norway) 11: Loose Cannon Hello 12: Montana Class 13: Re: UK Bookshops -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: R-M 1960s Montecuccoli 2: Built-up Heller 1:400 scale HMS HOOD for sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: Tall Lady wanted "David Mullins" wrote: >> I'm trying to locate a Monogram ~1/500 scale Albany class CG kit (preferrably the USS Chicago. The USS Albany or USS Columbus would do) located in the US or Canada. << I would think that this would be easy to find. Monogram made a bunch of them with USS Chicago (CG-11) markings in the 1996 re-issue. I don't think they ever released it with USS Albany (CG-10) markings. I have a bunch of them, but they're not for sale. That hull is soooo nice, and it will lend itself well to conversions. If only the lattice masts were better....... There's one on E-bay, if you care. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=590844202 David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | http://home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: H.M.S. Vanguard (Post WW II battleship) Michael Zimmerman (ZMzimmerman@cs.com) wrote: >> Having recently purchased the Hasegawa 1/450 Vanguard does anyone out there know of any photo references. I have both Beyers and Parks as a start. << Try this one: http://www.hms-vanguard.co.uk/ >> And has anyone ever done an article on what needs fixing and replacing, (yes I know quite a bit). << "Model Ship Builder" magazine, No. 85-88, Sept/Oct 1993, Nov/Dec 1993, Jan/Feb 1994, and Mar/Apr 1994. You're right, there's a lot to be fixed, especially the aft superstructure, and all the light guns. Mine is still in the "parts collection" phase of it's reconstruction. It's previous incarnation met its demise at the hands (paws?) of my sister's sister-in-law's cat. If only WEM (or someone else) would make some 1/432 scale light guns and photoetch..... yeah, I know, not too likely. There are too few Hasegawa vanguards to make it worthwhile..... David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | http://home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "jmsr1990" Subject: Re: "Hipper Class " book Hi Joe; I am by no means good at critiquing books, but I will tell you my opinion on this latest english translation of Kopp and Schmolkes publications. Photo quality is average, not bad but not great either. There are alot of good photos of the Prince Eugen, a resonable amount of the Admiral Hipper, a few good ones of the Blucher( the ship was not around long enough for there to be an abundence of photos to begin with ) and some nice pictures of the other two being built. Quite a few of Hipper's photos have her in norwegian camouflage. There is a section that covers the camo schemes for Hipper and Eugen. The scale plans are small as in the previous titles, so unless you have a way of enlarging them they will be of limited use. There is one of the Eugen on page 129 for late war fit that is a little larger and might of more use and there is a similar one of Hipper on page 43 for 1942. Text is well done and covers the ships careers from planning to final fate including the planned conversion of Seydlitz to a carrier. A nice read is the war diary on Blucher's only operation, in which she was sunk. There are some ending arguments on the merits of whether this class of warship should ever have been built by the Kreigsmarine. Overall Joe I would recomend the book. There is not alot out there on these ships ( let alone in english ) and this is about as good as there is. By the way, I got mine from Barnes and Noble for $43, not a bad price. They may still be selling it for that price. Hope I helped you out Joe. Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: JOHN CURRIE Subject: Re: Hipper class a la koop >> If anyone sees this book, could someone please explain what the curved things sticking out some of Prinz Eugen's portholes are on the cover photo? << Pete I have not seen the photo but as a guess, they sound a lot like what we used to have in the RN up until the mid 80's, (wind scoops) i think there was a proper name for them, (John Lambert may come to the aid here), They basically brought fresh air in to your compartment. Yours 'Aye' John Currie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: NEVENGER@aol.com Subject: Cool photo site I was playing around on the web and ran into this site. It seens to have some pictures that are a little less common to find in it to me. It also covers a large range of countries warship of the secound World War. http://www.geocities.com/halvezool/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Squalus-Sailfish-Sculpin Ken remarked - >> I saw the NBC movie, SUBMERGED, about the Squalus sinking and rescue. It never ceases to amaze me how Hollywood can take a dramatic story and make it boring. << It was lame, indeed. The film opened with a shot of the sapphire-blue waters of -- Portsmouth, NH? Uh oh. A brief glimpse of pre-war khakis was encouraging, but it was all downhill from there. The Navy of the 1930s -- racially segregated and socially stratified -- was nowhere to be seen. Officers calling enlisted men (not to mention admirals) by their first names? Who was the technical consultant? In the brief epilogue, they didn't even bother to mention the ironic and tragic incident in which SAILFISH (formerly SQUALUS) sank a Japanese ship carrying many of the survivors of SCULPIN -- then POWs -- in December 1943. My wife has read "The Terrible Hours" and says it's far better than the TV movie. Maybe "Waterlogged" would've been a better title. MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Bits I'm working on the Blue Water Navy USS JUNEAU. I'm surprised to see that the mooring bits along the sides of the deck are not perfectly perpendicular to the deck' they're offset from the vertical by about 10-15 degrees. Why is this? At first I thought it was possibly a molding problem, but every set is like that. I've never seen this before. Was this an experiment during the early 40's that was phased out? Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "VanBuren, Peter M" Subject: Excavating the Confederate submarine H.L. Hunley Shane, this is not in my own area of interest but perhaps others will enjoy it. >> *** Scientists find commander's remains CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) - Scientists excavating the Confederate submarine H.L. Hunley have discovered the remains of the sub's commander. The remains of Lt. George Dixon, the final member of the boat's nine-man crew, were found beneath the forward conning tower of the Hunley, the first submarine in history to sink an enemy warship. A lantern believed to have been used to signal shore before the sub sank was found nearby. The Hunley went down off Charleston in 1864 after sinking the Union ship Housatonic by ramming a spar with a black powder charge into the vessel. According to historical accounts, Dixon signaled with a blue light to let Confederates ashore know that the attack was a success. Dixon's remains have not been removed from the Hunley. One question scientists hope to answer is whether he was wounded during the battle. << Full article at: http://www.infobeat.com/fullArticle?article=407346708 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: Re: Wasp hull contours Sorry for the late arrival to the thread, but I just got back on after a lengthy absence. If you're looking for 1/700 Wasp hull contours, e-mail me privately. I did a complete set of contours from the FDD plans, and used a calculator to reduce them to 1/700 scale hull sections, which I then "plated over" with sheet plastic. Same thing with the rest of the ship - took measurements off the plans for all the pieces I needed and converted to a series of templates for decks & bulkheads. They're not museum quality, of course, but made into a pretty good scratchbuilt CV-7 once I added parts from the Tamiya kits. I later did the same thing in much more detail with the original builders' plans for CV-2 in 1/192, reduced them to 1/350, and then and never got around to reducing them to 1/700 or building anything. But I learned just how far off the Fujimi kit is. But I digress... Michael Smith Marshall, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: wem Subject: Re: German WWII prizes Vega, Venus, Viator (from Norway) From Talbot-Booth, "Merchant Ships 1942": VEGA was a 7,300-ton, twin screw, oil-fired steamer, 415 feet in length, carrying 465 passengers, completed in 1938 in Italy by Cantieri Riuniti dell'Adriatico. She was owned and operated by Bergenske Dampskibsselskab, and operated between Norway and Newcastle before being taken by the Germans. Line drawing and photo. VENUS was owned by the same company, and was a twin-screw diesel powered motorship designed for North Sea service. Completed in 1931, she was 5,400 tons, 399 feet long, and carried 285 passengers. Line drawing and photo. VIATOR/CHRISTIAN SINDING - no information. John Snyder, TTY White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Loose Cannon Hello Does any no if Loose Cannon is still operating? Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Montana Class With the search feature gone from the SMML site, guess I'll have to go this route. A friend of mine would like to build a Montana cl ship. He's not very familar with ship modeling and doesn't have internet access, so I'm playing agent for him. The idea we're sorta working with is to convert an existing Iowa class kit, similar to that outlined in an article in FSM a number of years back. He's not sure what scale to work in. Since he doesn't have a lot of space, my initial suggestion was to bash a 1:700 Fujimi Missouri. However, he does not like waterline kits (he's got an objection to paying good money for what he sees as only half a ship). He's also not too fond of the idea of working with parts that small. OTOH, I haven't dug taken my 1:350 Tamiya Missouri over there, but I'm pretty sure his reaction is gonna be "Dayum" when he sees how large it is. IMO, based on his preferences, that would seem to be the scale to work in, but when I told him how large the kit is, he said "uh...I don't know." However, since this is the only ship he's expressed much interest in building...1:350 would seem to be the best bet. Not like he's looking to build a fleet like the rest of us here. The only other idea I've had (and it's pretty poor) is the ancient 1:535 Revell Missouri. 1:500-1:600 would seem to be about the right scale for his space limits. I gave him a spare copy I had of Garze & Dulin's US Battleships of WWII, so he has the hull lines for the Montana, and he feels he could work up a wooden hull possibly use the kit parts from the deck up to fabricate the superstructure. As I warned him though, said parts aren't very accurate and there's no aftermarket parts in those scale to replace them. That's the real rub with that concept -- very high fiddle factor. Anyone else have any ideas/suggestions? Derek Wakefield iscandar-66@surf.to -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: john.baumann@talk21.com Subject: Re: UK Bookshops I second what Jorma related about Motor Books in London, they also used to own the model car shop around the corner but I don't know if it still exist. One shop is dedicated to military/ships and the other for civilian cars, trucks etc & military afv's. Foyles is another winner, and between the two premises, Charing Cross Road is heaving with second hand bookshops throughout - from Centre Point down heading towards Trafalgar Square. Friend of mine tells me there is/was a remainder bookshop on the Waterloo Station main roundabout but I haven't personally checked this one out. The proprietor of Barbarossa Books, Russell Hadler, welcomes visitors but I suggest people telephone ahead since like everyone else, he does have occasion to be absent. Phone 01621-810810 Fax 01621-810888. The shop is well laid out and is very impressive. Tiptree Town is on the Essex main line from Liverpool Street Station. Since it's rather rural you will require a taxi onward. Given that shops appear and disappear overnight here in London, one is best advised to check the Yellow Pages or Thomson Directory first, before making a personal visit. Regards, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bill Gruner Subject: R-M 1960s Montecuccoli We now have the 1960s version of the Italian light cruiser montecuccoli as a missile cruiser, price is $65.00. It is a very handsome ship, even better looking, in my opinion, than the WW 2 fit. It is typical superb Regia-Marina quality. Thank you, Bill Gruner Pacific Front Hobbies 541-464-8579 http://www.pacificfront.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) FROM: Mike Bartel (mkwb@excite.com) SUBJECT: Built-up Heller 1:400 scale HMS HOOD for sale I am selling my completed Heller 1:400 scale HOOD model on eBay. For photos, please check this link: http://ihphobby.tripod.com/ebayhood.html I can't get the link to the auction page to work, so you may have to go through the ebay homepage link to get to it if you want to bid. Thanks! Mike Bartel IHP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume