Subject: SMML VOL 1265 Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 00:09:01 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: HMS Portsmouth 2: livres sur des avions et vaisseaux francaises/books on French ships or aircraft 3: Re: MTB 363 4: Delphis Hermes 5: M/V Triton 6: Re: MTB 363-378 7: early British MTB 8: HMS Vanguard (Post WW2 Battleship) 9: Re: What to see in London 10: Re: Pearl Harbor 11: Pearl Harbor IMO 12: The Pelican Helo 13: Pearl Harbour 14: Re: ICM Hood and Chokai releases 15: Classic Warships No. 11 - Lexington Class Carriers 16: Loose Cannon 17: New Hunley Kit 18: Re: Montana & others -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: MODEL SHIP JOURNAL RENEWALS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: wem Subject: HMS Portsmouth Word is that "Portsmouth" has been permanently retired by the RN as a warship name, due to some abhorrently distasteful, dishonorable action by that last ship of that name during the 17th century's "Glorious Revolution." Does anyone on the list know just what that action on the part of HMS Portsmouth may have been? The WEM Crew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: livres sur des avions et vaisseaux francaises/books on French ships or aircraft Alors, je cherche pour des livres a louer par ma bibliothèque: Qui connait des livres sur avions, aerostats et bâtiments francaises avec des plans 3-vues ? And now in English: Who knows some books on French ships, aircraft or airships containing line drawings? merci en avant thank you in advance Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Harold Stockton" Subject: Re: MTB 363 >> Who can tell me something about the MTB 363 - MTB 378 = BPT 21 - BPT 52 that were built in the US: armament, speed, date of commission/delivery? << In Lenton & College's book "British Warships Of World War II, pp.549-550, these vessels were American built 37 ton Vosper design, numbers 275-306, 363-378, and 396-411, which used American Packards instead of the more common Merlins which were in short supply for their aircraft industry. These vessels were built between 1942 and 1944 to a mixed batch of both Scott-Payne and Vosper designs that were completed under Lend-Lease agreements for the RN. The vessels, ex-USN BPT.21-28, 49-52, 29-48 (MTB.275-306), and BPT.52-68 (MTB.363-378), were 77 foot Elco built Scott-Payne designed British Power Boats. Boats PT.384-399 (MTB.396-411) were Jacobs built Vospers. Numbers 362-367 were Harbor built 77 foot Elco Vospers that were constructed on the West Coast. Of these, numbers 363-370 were transferred to Russia in 1943, along with USN PT.400 to 449, and PT.661 to 730, Annapolis built 77 foot Vospers for Russia, as were PT.430 to 429 Herreschoffs. Of the above mentioned boats, these are the "nick-names" that some of these boats carried while in USN service: PT.21 "Black Jack" and "Sad Sack" PT.22 "Flying Deuces" PT.24 "Blue Bitch" PT.34 "P.I. Rose, Duece, Eager Beaver" PT.45 "Duce Boat, Coughin Coffin" PT.59 "Gun Boat" PT.65 "Hogan's Goat" PT.399 "Little Butch" The armament for these vessels were designed with a single 20mm forward, a single twin 0.50 mount aft, and two 21-inch torpedo tubes. Later, a single twin 20mm mount replaced the twin 0.50 mount aft. Harold Stockton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Delphis Hermes Hi Don Is the Delphis Hermes out yet? My understanding is that they want to model her when she sank. I've been able to help with the camouflage but the Oerlikon placement is proving a real problem. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: M/V Triton She just passed by my office, sailing down the Hudson. She's bigger than I thought, and would make a cool model. She seemed to knife through the water rather than sail on it. I also watched her turn within her length farther upriver - how is she propelled? Wish I'd brought my camera to work today. Heck, I wish I'd known she was in town, I'd have gone for a closer look. Joe Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Dimi Apostolopoulos Subject: Re: MTB 363-378 Friedrich, I think the boat number BPT designations for MTBs 363-378 were actually BPT 53-68. The boats of this group were built at Annapolis' Yacht Yard and delivered to the Royal Navy at various times between September and December 1943. MTBs 363-370 were transferred to USSR in February 1944. MTBs 364, 371 and 372 were lost during the war. I will send a personal e-mail with specific information on the commission and delivery of each ship in the class and armament. Their speed was 38.94 knots @2400 rpm (max) and 35.9 knots @2000 rpm (continuous). Dimi ps. Most of this information is contained in John Lambert, Al Ross' tremendous book on Allied Coastal Forces (Vol II). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: early British MTB Who can send pictures for identification of an early British MTB with 2 tubes aside the deck house, one mashine gun postion behind and one dinghy aboard? I asume that it is one of these MTBs: MTB 20-23 (romanian Viforul, Vijelia, Viscolul); MTB 69-70; MTB 218-221; MTB 246-257; MGB 98-99 (French VTB 11-14) or the Swedish T3, T4. Thank you very much in advance!! Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: HMS Vanguard (Post WW2 Battleship) I have just been catching up on the recent postings having been overseas for a week on business and would be very interested in obtaining copies of the articles describing the building of the above vessel. They were given as:- "Model Ship Builder" magazine, No. 85-88, Sept/Oct 1993, Nov/Dec 1993, Jan/Feb 1994, and Mar/Apr 1994. If anybody can help, I would be very grateful and happy to cover all costs of course. Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: What to see in London >> I'm going to London beginning of June. Where can I find model shops and models of warships? I should appreciate any information you would give me. Thank you and have a good summer! << Hi Andy, As I have mentioned before IMO the best model shop in London is the Station Road Model Shop in Harrow an the Hill. If you are after the model warships your best bet is National Maritime Museum in Greenwich and Science Museum in Central London. Have fun D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor >> Why are you giving away the ending? I heard that there is a big surprise climax- a surprise attack on the base by the Japanese and the US ships are sunk, precipitating the USA's entry into WW2. Wow!! << Don't overestimate your public. I once made about 1000 life long enemies by a casual joke about the end of 'Titanic' during the showing of the film in a megaplex-cinema. As I live in a country where a journalist of a major newspaper (de Volkskrant) can write about the New York quay where the Titanic used to be berthed this was shocking news..... Pieter Cornelissen Delft, the Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Pearl Harbor IMO Went to see the first showing of PH...$5.07 for both the movie and the soundtrack (had a gift cert for hastings a friend gave me for Xmas that I kept forgetting about). Unless you're into sappy/campy romance, bring a pillow for the first 1 1/2 hrs. For the thirty someodd minutes of battle, don't leave your logic at the door, don't leave it in the car, don't even leave it at home by your Tora, Tora, Tora tape...mail it off to your grandma and have her send it back in a couple of weeks. I'll give'em credit for creating some believable CGI battleships (which were moored WAY too far apart), but there were way too many Knox, Newports, and Spruances that kept jarring me back to reality. It was a fairly fun sappy romance/shoot'em up (hey, it kept me awake and I've been up over 24 hrs now), but definitely more hollywood than history. Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: The Pelican Helo A question was raised in SMML #1258 regarding the HH-3F Pellican as used by the U.S. Coast Guard. It is now out of service and, after having seen the latest (17th edition) of Ships & Aircraft Of The U.S. Fleet, it is no longer listed as being in USCG inventory. I've seen two hulks in storage at the ANG facility at the Bellingham (WA) Airport and am amazed at the history of that airframe. The replacement is the very capable HH-60 Jayhawk, a variant of the Navy SH-60F. As an aside, I like aircraft that spin their wings and am intrigued with the USCG McDonnell Douglas MH-90 Enforcer. Two were used as test beds for the drug interdiction role and were armed with a 7.62mm M240 M.G. and a .50 cal rifle. I was thinking it might be fun to let loose on a bunch of floating 50 gallon drums with it for a little target practice. The USCG is developing new helo muscle with the Bell-Boeing A109 Power (Augusta A-109 variant) helicopter designated as the MH-68A. They're buying 2 plus six on option to be used by the Coast Guard's Helicopter Interdiction Tactical Squadron 10 aboard Medium Endurance (WMEC) cutters. This is a tried and true 4-bladed turboshaft design used globally by military, law enforcement and emergency services. The MH-68A will be a boon to Coast Guard modelers wanting something on the flight deck with an air of sleek firepower. They can be armed with machine guns and rockets. Full details are on pages 457-8 of Ships & Aircraft of the U.S. Fleet-17th edition. Victor Baca MODEL SHIP JOURNAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Simon Wolff" Subject: Pearl Harbour Hi you all... Erik Erhardtsen wrote: >> What American forces was present at Oahu on the 7 of Dec. 1941. The battleships is easy to find, but what about cruisers and destroyers? submarines? How many airplanes was on the island and what type? << According to East Wind rain by Stan Cohen there were the following USAAF planes: P-40 (B & C), C-33, B-17 P-36, O-47 and B-18. Also A-20A and P-26. The Navy had Catalina's, OS2U Kingfishers and SOC Seagulls. Six F4F-4 Wildcat's flew in late the night of the attack (from Enterprise), sadly some were shot down by local anti aircraft fire. Lost: SUN 92 and 31 damaged USAAF 77 and 128 damaged regards Simon Wolff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SolidStump@aol.com Subject: Re: ICM Hood and Chokai releases >> Keep an eye on your nearest hog farm. When they begin sprouting wings, let us know and we can meet at the hobby shop to get our models. << All this negativity makes we want to cry. I had hoped to do a series of Hoods...1920...1936....1941....even at $150 a pop, this is less than one resin alternative. As for the other models ICM tantalizes us with...well....I'll take them all.....plus a 1916 Warspite to complement the Konig. How many of us would it take to get them interested in the projects again??? I've heard the "impulse buy" argument but look at Tamiya's Dragon Wagon and now the Famo Transporter ($120 plus mail order). How many Armor crazies justify those releases??? I just don't know gang.....we should just keep e-mailing ICM. Simon Scheuer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Classic Warships No. 11 - Lexington Class Carriers I just picked up this book tonight and it is highly recommended. There are a lot of good and never-before-seen photos of both the Lex and Sara. One question I had was regarding a color picture of the Saratoga on the top rear cover. The ship is clearly painted in Ms. 21, but the deck appears to be natural wood. Could the stain have worn off or faded? Does anybody have any information about this? Rod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "hugh1lottie2" Subject: Loose Cannon Shaya Loose Cannon is still in business and about to release a 1/700 Admirable/PCE soon with a couple of other kits when the brass arrives. If you need to contact David he may be reached at this email address: hugh1lottie2@earthlink.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Edwparent@aol.com Subject: New Hunley Kit Sorry I got the address wrong on the website with pictures of this model. It is: http://www.cottage-industries.com Ed Parent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: AJOWENS@aol.com Subject: Re: Montana & others Well I, for one, would definitely like to see the Montana available again! I have one of the IHP semi-kits (I think it was the last one available in the known universe and yup, I built it) and I would take 5 more if it was to be reissued! Mike, say the word and the cheque will be mailed! Personally I am fascinated with these 'never built' big-gun ships and really do hope someone does a few more of these subjects in the future. I see NNT lists an H-Klasse on their future release list and I'll definitely go for that as well. Cheers, A.J. Owens -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: MODEL SHIP JOURNAL RENEWALS If You haven't done so, it's time to renew your subscription to Model Ship Journal if you took out a one-year sub beginning with Issue Zero. This is our first anniversary and I thank all of you modelers and enthusiasts who have supported us. I'll let you know shortly what we have planned for the next issue which will be mailed to subscribers in late June. Because we have heavy shipping committments to distributors, dealers and subscribers; back issues may not be available when you want them--so it's best to subscribe. Volume 1, Number 1 (Autumn 2000) has sold out and Issue Zero (Premier Issue) is getting close. 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