Subject: SMML VOL 1280 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 17:09:58 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: tips on using eBay 2: Re: Reducing plans 3: Re: B.I.T. Suggestions 4: PH Merchandising 5: Re: IJN Chrysanthemum Crests 6: Re: brief reports 7: Deadline Discovery 8: Re: Pearl Harbor 9: Re: Anchors and chain 10: Re: IJN Chrysanthemums & Arizona 11: Re: Mastering 12: IJNS Junyo 13: Re: A.J.Owens/Mastering 14: Speculative HMS Hood models 15: Battleship Royal Sovereing 16: Re: Polish kit querry 17: Re: One More Question 18: Re: Tom Freeman Prints & IPMS Nats 19: Re: Scharnhorst 20: RAF High Speed Rescue launches in WW2 21: Re: Canal boats 22: H.M.S. Dido in Camouflage? 23: World War II Identification Set -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Wood & Resin & Plastic 2: Ship models (and others) for sale 3: WTB: Skywave Buckley Class DE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: tips on using eBay >> eBay is a swamp, but before totally dismissing it as a resource, try different tactics to locate the odd bargains, which do occur. For example instead of searching by obvious terms such as "USS Arizona" which will get a lot of traffic, try more general searches such as "plastic battleship" or try misspelling Arizona like "Azriona" and see what comes up. Surprising how many dislexic sellers there are, and how few check their spelling. << you're giving away all the SECRETS!!! :-) oh well.... here's another: put the dots in USS: u.s.s. that yields some more stuff as well. ebay is a stunning example of 'buyer beware'. if you're in the habit of doing research before placing a bid, you should be in good shape. there ought to be cruel and unusual punishments for snipers--I lost out on many cruisebooks in the 15 seconds before an auction end, but I got around that as well. I would suggest that you bid your max as what you'd be willing to pay for something if you saw it in a real store. that way you're not stuck hovering over your lowball bid against snipers, and if no one bids against you, you still get it dirt cheap. and if you get outbid--it doesn't hurt so much, since it's more than you were willing to pay anyway. I think a lot of this feeding frenzy with $100 prices on stuff still in print is due to bidding fever and nickel diming. just plunk it all down in one shot and be surprised when you get the 'successful bidder' email--helps in budgeting, too.... as far as uniformed sellers goes.... there's a winner out there right now: a Hornet police badge. a very nice piece. the seller advertises it as having been there when Doolittle flew off for Tokyo. problem is: the badge is labeled USS HORNET CVA-12. which leads to another admonition: do your research. knowing just enough about a subject to be dangerous can be costly. the descriptions for a lot of the stuff I've been interested in have been bogus. the pictures are how to judge an object. a Korean War era squadron patch showed up and was being touted as being from Hornet. it wasn't--even though the patch looked authentic for the era, it wasn't a Hornet squadron. most of you already know this... but I thought to reinforce the admonitions.... s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Reducing plans >> Also on plans, most of these that I find are LARGE scale like 1/192, 1/96 etc. Great for details & reference but too big for templates - where would you get them reduced to the scale you're trying for? (Can you reduce these by 54.86% please? 12 copies?). << I go to an architectural supply store to have plans shot down or blown up to scale. Kinkos is okay, but most of the time they have no idea what they are doing when shooting plans down or blowing them up. The store I go to here in Oklahoma is called Triangle A&E. Call any Architect or home designer in your town and they will tell who they use to get supplies from. That's where you want to go. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard http://okclive.com/flagship/ "That's mighty bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: dlfowler@apple.com Subject: Re: B.I.T. Suggestions Hello All, Please excuse the off topic subject of this posting I am soliciting suggestions for appropriate acts of retribution to be visited upon the person of John Snyder for his traitorous behavior towards his homeland. Obviously no punishment can be too great for this Benedict Arnold wannabe (I have personally received several offers from young ladies in black leather with spanking paddles who have a bit of spare time do to the elections in Britain). Please make sure that all suggested acts can occur and be completed before the impending nuptials at the end of August. Please address all suggestions to me off list so that we may keep this a family forum. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Mike C" Subject: PH Merchandising The reason you don't see model releases relating to the "Pearl Harbor" movie may not be the fault of the model companies at all. The blame may lie in what the studio was demanding for merchandising rights. Frankly, I'm surprised there wasn't a tie-in to one of the fast food restaurants. They always get into the act when it comes to "Blockbuster" films, but nobody offered the usual P-40's and Zeros blazing away on drinking cups...and no free trips to the premier (an "all expenses paid" trip to Hawaii would have been sweet). They probably could have even used stuff left over from "1941." (grin) Maybe the studio didn't want to draw attention to a source where people could check their "historically accurate" film, but then again, hindsight is always 20/20. At least the film has stirred up interest of the attack in the modeling community by its association to real events, so maybe the film's historical deficiencies weren't so bad after all. Have fun, Mike Czibovic -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: JOHN BURCH Subject: Re: IJN Chrysanthemum Crests Doug G. MacAhonic said, >> I am looking for 1/700 scale IJN Chrysanthemum crests for the bows of several ships (need 5 immediately). Does any one in model building land sell these or have do any of you have some extras they might want to sell? Heck a Japanese ship is not complete until the Emperors seal of approval is on it. << Skywave's "Equipment for Japan Navy Ship - WW2 (I)", package number 38, includes a Chrysanthemum crest on each of the parts sprues (there are three sprues per package). This is the WW II IJN aftermarket equipment kit that includes the 12.7 cm (5") gun mounts and torpedo tubes for IJN DDs. I checked the Pitroad web site and it looks like this particular kit (#38) is out of production, but there were seven other kits of aftermarket parts for IJN ships listed in their "E" series (see: http://member.nifty.ne.jp/pitroad/pit30e.html), so I would bet that one or more of them would include the Chrysanthemum crest. If all else fails, contact me off list. Cheers, John Burch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) To: shipmodels@tac.com.au Subject: Re: brief reports Machine wash, tumble dry, NO STARCH! Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Deadline Discovery On this anniversary of D-Day, the Discovery Channel will be showing an hour-long program on some underwater surveys that were recently made off the Normandy coast. This scientific exploration was intended to locate and map lost tanks, aircraft, and landing craft, a number of which are probable war graves. None of these were, as I understand it, disturbed in any way. The show is being broadcast in the USA at 10 PM EST and is called "Deadline Discovery". As WW2 continues to fade from the collective public memory, give a thought to the Allied sailors, soldiers, and airmen who crossed the Channel on that Sixth of June in 1944 -- many never made it. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Dave Edgerly" Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Joe, Thanks. You have said it best. Dave E a retired grunt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Jim Johnson" Subject: Re: Anchors and chain Phill Smith asked about how many anchors aircraft carriers use when they anchor out. Usually one. The ship I was on (USS America CVA-66) had an anchor on the stem and one on the starboard side. This was because of the underwater sonar array on the ship. We always used the stem anchor whenever we anchored. On ships with conventional anchor layouts (i.e. port and starboard) I don't imagine there would be any difference I never observed two anchors used while I was aboard, but I heard a sea story about one of the carriers (Saratoga?) who used both. The story says that she was at anchor in Italy and that there was a storm/stiff wind so they dropped both anchors. Several days later, the ship was down at the bow for an unknown reason. People were checking bilge tanks, fuel tanks etc. when someone noticed both anchor chains meeting at the waterline. The ship had been there about a week and had spun around several times like a weather vane and had twisted the anchor chains together Another sea story concerning anchors. This happened while I was aboard. The of the ship (Capt Turner) was promoted to Admiral so a replacement was chosen. The man was an aviator who was getting too old to fly. They wanted to give him some experience in commanding a ship, so he was Captain of an oilier for the better part of a year. When he took over the America, we were underway (yankee station, south China sea). The first port of call for Captain Rumble was at Cibi Point, Subic Bay, PI. This was at a dock with tugs to help. No problem. The next port was Sydney Australia. Since the ship drew 35' of water, we had to anchor out in a lot of places due to lack of deep enough dock space. We pulled into the harbor and dropped the hook. You lay out several hundred yards of anchor chain once the hood is dropped. The captain gave the command that worked on a single screw oilier, "all back 2/3" We almost became a fixture next to the Sydney Opera House. Live and learn. The chain was the type that had a center post in the middle of the link. There is a name for this and any self respecting bo'sins mate would know it, but I was a machinist mate. Anyway, I have never seen that type reproduced in scale. Hope that helps. Jim Johnson MM2 (Ret) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Chris Preston" Subject: Re: IJN Chrysanthemums & Arizona Hi Everyone, Doug McAhonic was asking about 1/700 scale IJN Chrysanthemums for the bows of IJN ships. SkyWave (Pit-Road) produces a number of injection molded "Equipment" sets for updating the older 1/700 scale kits of IJN warships. Set numbers 38, E-2, E-3, and E-7 all have at least 2 Chrysanthemums in each set, along with lots of other "goodies". I've purchased most of my sets from Bill Gruner at Pacific Front Hobbies, as he always seems to have them in stock. Regarding the questions about the USS ARIZONA that have been appearing lately on SMML, I agree with John Snyder about the Blast Bags on the 14" Turrets. P.247 of Paul Stillwell's "BATTLESHIP ARIZONA - An Illustrated History", clearly show the blast bags in place on the 2 after turrets. As for her teak decks being painted or not, I have to rely on John's Knowledge there. When I complete the 2 ARIZONA's (1/96th, for R/C, and 1/350th) that I'm working on, they will both have natural teak decks, where applicable. Anyone building an ARIZONA should get the Paul Stillwell book. The photos in it, alone, have helped me immensely with me models. Cheers, Chris Preston, Victoria, B.C. Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Mastering The best materials for the master are either plastic or metal. Wood is not recommended as the grain could very well transfer to the mold. If you are using RTV as the mold material even the tiniest scratch will show up in the resultant mold and also in anything cast from it. If you are trying to cast in 1:700 or 1:350 you will need a large amount of mold material unless the prototype is very small (smaller than a destroyer say). To reduce drawings try using a photocopier which reduces or enlarges. You may have to do this in stages to get the drawing down to the size you want. After each print use the resultant print to get another smaller print until you are there. You may also have to print the large original in sections and, at some intermediate stage, join it all up for further prints. Hope this helps. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: ZMzimmerman@cs.com Subject: IJNS Junyo Having recently dug out my old Tamiya Junyo I am looking for information on colors. My instructions are the all Japanese version. I am looking for anything in color schemes or camouflage patterns if used. The box art does show a solid green scheme. I recently purchased the Mr. Color type 21, and 22 shades and the Pit-Road pc17a and 17b colors. At least that what the boxes appear to say. Thank you for the help. Michael Zimmerman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: A.J.Owens/Mastering >> A couple of questions for this august group: If you are going to scratch build a ship - with an eye towards possibly using it as a master to cast more - what material would you use? Wood? Plastic? something else? << Probably everybody develops their own techique A.J. I personally use plastic card (0,75 and 1mm) for smaller scales hulls and superstructures and balsa wood covered by plastic card for the larger ones. >> Figure scale to be either 1/700 or 1/350 if that is a consideration. Also on plans, most of these that I find are LARGE scale like 1/192, 1/96 etc. Great for details & reference but too big for templates - where would you get them reduced to the scale you're trying for? (Can you reduce these by 54.86% please? 12 copies?). << Any larger shop dealing with photo-printing matters should be able to reduce your plans to required scale.It might have to be done in two stages,but only the first stage is the most expensive one. Ask around first, prices do vary widely from shop to shop. Also remember to ask for the contrast to be turned up a notch or two, it makes for the better final result. Best regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Melvin Burmaster" Subject: Speculative HMS Hood models I would want to call to attention of Frank Allen of the HMS Hood association the speculative model of the Hood which was posted here about an year ago. If anyone remembers same (a Japanese website) please pass along same. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Battleship Royal Sovereing Here's a combined eBay and modeling question. Appearing on eBay today is an auction for the HMS Royal Sovereing. The kit is made in the Ukraine, however, I do not recognize either the manufacturer or the kit. Would like to hear from any one with knowledge of the kit and/or the manufacturer. The particulars on the auction are: Battleship Royal Sovereing Modular M. 1:500 Item #1604794052 Regards, RhinoBones Hi Rhinobones, This very much looks like it could be the FROG HMS Royal Sovereign. It has also been re-released by Revell. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Polish kit querry >> Attention to any Polish modelers!! I recently purchased from the Polish model company PLASTYK a 1/72 scale HH-3E Jolly Green Giant and with it came 2 viles. They measure 13/4 long with 1/4 wide. They're a faded vanilla color Each has a different colored cap. One is dark gray and the other a faded gold color. Is this glue? If so would I have to mix it togather with one being a hardner? Also would how would I apply it? With a paint brush? Well if it is then it's certainly a interesting lesson in cultural difference how things get done. << Hi Craig, well this is something completly new for me too. Never seen two part glue included with a kit before and samehow I just can't imagine of what use would it be with a plastic kit??? Is there any way that you could scan the containers labels or just note them down letter by letter? Without it,I just have no idea. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Re: One More Question Steve, The Tom Freeman paiting of the Enterprise passing the wrecked Arizona is in a new book... Pearl Harbor The Day of Infamy - An illustrated History/ by Dan Van Der Vat, Introduction by Senator John McCain, Paintings by Tom Friedman, Basic Books/Madison Press Book, 2001, ISBN 0-465-08982-8 The painting is on pgs 134-135 I don't think it's on line anywhere (at least not yet) Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: DRPREUL@aol.com Subject: Re: Tom Freeman Prints & IPMS Nats Hi All from J&D, In regard to the inquiry of the Tom Freeman print of Enterprise passing Arizona. As of now these prints are not available. Tom is painting 30 scenes from the attack which include the 6 that are in the book to go on display at the USS Bowfin Museum in Pearl Harbor for the 60th anniversary on Dec. 7, 2001. Because of all the interest in these pictures Tom is deciding which pictures to put into print. They will either be Limited Edition Prints or maybe posters. I'll keep you all posted once I find out from Tom. You can see what Tom Freeman Prints are currently available by going to my website at: www.jdproduct.com Who all will be at the Nats from SMMLand, and has any plans been made for a meeting? I might have missed any posting about this. I was out in left field when that was posted. Thanks Don Preul.......J&D Productions.......Annapolis, Md. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: royrichey@att.net Subject: Re: Scharnhorst Einar, Give ModelExpo a try. THey list the Heller 1/400 Scharnhorst on and off. Roy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: PT Dockyard Subject: RAF High Speed Rescue launches in WW2 Does anyone know of books or websites covering the High-Speed Rescue launches used by the RAF in WW2? I have built the Airfix model but recently saw an article on HSL 108, which was captured by the Germans, and she was a configuration I had never seen before. Dave Gregory The P.T. Dockyard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Canal boats >> French Barges - Dutch Barges << We dont need no stinking BARGES! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: George Colleen Ian Hargreaves Subject: H.M.S. Dido in Camouflage? Hi, In reading DK Browns' book Nelson to Vanguard on page 78 there is a picture of H.M.S Dido in what appears as a camouflage pattern. The photo is credited to the Imperial War Museum: A23709 and no date is given. It appears as though the hull, A & Y turrets, the fore funnel and the lower half of the forward deck house (main deck only) is darker in colour than the remainder of the ship. Is this: a.) Tricks of light or film or printing b.) Me being overly hopeful c.) An actual camouflage scheme. If c.), then does anyone know what colours Dido was in? Cheers, George -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "William W, Yaun, Jr." Subject: World War II Identification Set A friend is trying to determine the value and confirmation of a set of metal ship models of the German Navy. From two photos he has sent me I guess the scale is probably 1/1200. The set is in a wooden box (carrying case) with rope handles and contains 15 metal ship models mounted on wooden bases. Typical of world War II Recognition Training Aides. There set includes one carrier, the Bismark?, Scharnhost? Gneisenau? possibly 3 destroyers in one side. The other side has 8 ship models which appear to be the size of cruisers? Can anyone confirm estimate current value? Warren -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Wood & Resin & Plastic Are sold at The Naval Base click below. http://www.modelshipbuilding.com/amphibious_and_support.html Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Ship models (and others) for sale Hello all, I've decided to start cleaning out some models--If anybody's interested, I have a bunch of models on Ebay. Here's the link to my auction listing. http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=ca139salem&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Should any SMMLie bid on a model and win, please identify yourself as such for a 10% discount on the selling price. I'm working on thinning down my collection of 1,000+ models so if anybody is looking for anything particular (mostly late 60's to the present, planes and ships), feel free to drop me a line. Thanks, Rod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: WTB: Skywave Buckley Class DE Hi all, I'm looking for a Skywave 1/700 Buckely Class DE to make into HMS Fitzroy. I recently found out that a local fellow was in command of her and two Flowers, so I would like to do a model of each. Regards, Bob Pearson View my corvette illustrations at http://members.nbci.com/profileart/non-av/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume