Subject: SMML VOL 1281 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 14:07:11 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: PH - The movie, UK Experence 2: Open request of Steve Wiper 3: Civil War Ironclad Plea 4: Vittorio Venetto and Ebay 5: Winch orientation on Airfix 1:72nd E-Boat 6: PH Movie - And you thought we were all picky?!? 7: Re: Tom Freeman painting of ENTERPRISE passing burning ARIZONA 8: Re: B I T - Brit in Training 9: More Ebay tips 10: Re: Mastering and RAF HSLs 11: Chryanthemum Crests 12: Dido 13: Canal Barges 14: Rodney 15: Re: Deadline Discovery 16: Tom Freeman Prints 17: Color of the decks on type IXB & C U-Boats 18: Re: Libery ship models 19: Re: BIT Training 20: Re: mastering 21: Battle of Midway: 4-7 June 1942 22: Battleship Royal Sovereign 23: Re: Mastering 24: Re: Polish kit querry 25: Royal Sovereign & ebay 26: Models for sale 27: Re: WTB Skywave Buckley Class DE 28: Bloody Battleship Blast Bags 29: Yamato -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Colin Ritchie Subject: PH - The movie, UK Experence I promise this will be brief, I dragged my wife along to see PH last night. Overall I guess I'd have the same comment's re accuracy, and noise, and Hokey dialogue as other reviewers. However one sequence earned me a violent prod in my ribs from the missus for laughing out loud. For those of you who have seen the movie, cast you mind back to the newsreel that's shown just after the actual attack is finished. It supposedly shows the results of Japanese attacks. Stock footage for the most part, however the sequence showing the Leander Class destroyer being hit as part of a weapons trial struck me as just a tad unlikely to be down to IJN aggression in 1941! Colin Ritchie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Mike Gell Subject: Open request of Steve Wiper Steve First let me say I have all of your books, and I have enjoyed each one, and what a bargain, even in Canadian Dollars! The pictures! I have an Idea I'm sure the rest of us on the list would jump upon. Perhaps you could put together one of your books on the Pearl Harbor attack but with as many color photos as possible? With your talent of finding the unique and rare pictures that you do, It would make your style of book stand out from the schlock that is out there. Mike Gell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: john.baumann@talk21.com Subject: Civil War Ironclad Plea This may be of interest to SMMLies: Regards, John Baumann Downloaded from: MISSING LINKS: RootsWeb's Genealogy Journal >> Subject: Missing Links, Vol. 6, No. 23 From: RootsWeb Review I am the chairman of the board of directors of the Naval Civil War Museum of the Western Theater, Louisville, Kentucky, and we are building a full scale replica of the Civil War Ironclad, the USS LOUISVILLE. We will feature a Louisville Room dedicated to all ships named the LOUISVILLE. We are looking for pictures of men on their respective ships the LOUISVILLE and especially any of the Ironclads, the USS LOUISVILLE and the CSS LOUISVILLE, and any letters from those who served on the latter two ships. If you can help, please contact me. Mert Marley mmarley@c4.com or mertmarley@hotmail.com << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Jeff Herne Subject: Vittorio Venetto and Ebay Hey folks, Just picked up the Regia Marina Vittorio Venneto. If you can afford the price tag, I recommend picking it up. Casting is flawless, small parts are incredible, and they include turned brass barrels for the main guns...in 1/700. I'm actually taking a day off from work just to get started on it... Also, with regards to Ebay, the best advice I can give as one who prowls looking for militaria (and you guys think the model prices are bad)...when you see an item you want, put it on your watch list, and bid on it as the auction starts to close. Pay close attention to the shipping costs, etc., to avoid getting hosed, and try to bid on items where the seller has a good reputation and an above average number of sales. When sellers hose the buyers, it ends up in the feedback, and no one will buy from him. Another good hint, is that instead of searching in the model categories, try searching in the general toys category, sometimes folks drop stuff in the wrong categories without knowing...I picked up a Tamiya Bismarck for $19 in the shrinkwrap cause some guy had it in the toys section instead of the models section. You also should pay close attention to the generic listings...ie., some guy posts 1/350 Tamiya Bismarck, everyone knows what it is and chases it. The next guy may just put 'Model Boat Kit' and the vast number of people ignore, they don't want to take the time to look at it. You can find some gems that way, especially if the non-modeller is selling something that they have no clue about. I bought a BWN Akizuke about 2 years ago, person had it listed as "wooden boat kit", with no pics and a vague description. After an email describing what was on the box, I bid on it for $12 and won it at $17. Ebay can be addictive, just know when to bail out so you don't end up paying $50 for a $10 kit. Jeff Now there's a good thread idea...tell us about your amazing kit finds, err...steals...$29 for Tamiya Bimarck and $17 for BWN Akizuke are mine... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "michael thrupp" Subject: Winch orientation on Airfix 1:72nd E-Boat There is a winch/capstan on the forward (forard?) deck of the Airfix 1:72nd E-Boat located midway between the scalloped torpedo clearance cutouts at the deck/hull joint. The winch has 2 mirror-image sides, each side having 1 vertical edge perpendicular to the deck (if only I could draw this in an email....) and the other vertical edge sloping over approx 20 degrees from the perpendicular. The drawing on the kit box lid shows the winch with the perpendicular edges facing towards the bow and sloping edges towards the stern, while the kit instructions show the winch round the other way ( i.e. sloping edges towards the bow , vertical perpendicular edges towards the stern). Does anyone out there (e.g. T.Garth or Steve) know which way round to put the darned thing? Thanks Mike Thrupp P.S. While I have your attention, can anyone splice 20 mins. of edited PH CG effects into my 10 year old 'Tora,Tora,Tora' video? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: PH Movie - And you thought we were all picky?!? Hi Folks, A co-worker of mine passed this link on to me for a website that lists mistakes made in movies. Check out the growing list for Pearl Harbor. http://www.movie-mistakes.com/ Have fun. Regards, Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling URL: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Roland Mar Subject: Re: Tom Freeman painting of ENTERPRISE passing burning ARIZONA TO: Steven P. Allen Found it at: http://www.pearlharborbook.com/tomfreeman019.html Hope this helps. Roland Mar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: wem Subject: Re: B I T - Brit in Training Leave it to the Ozzies to take things in the direction of a "body line." I never went looking for the "Golden Rivet" when I was in the Navy--certainly ain't going for no "golden ducks" now. I won't confuse my morning cereal bowl with "bowl for googlie" either. So, "howzat?" No "leg before wicket!" Did I "hit for six?" Oh, and Steve--we DO have Marmite in the cupboard.... Cheers, John Snyder Nice coaching there Caroline ;-) Maybe you should be coaching the poms if they want to have any chance of winning ;-) S & L -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Percy_John@emc.com Subject: More Ebay tips Here are some more ebay tips. Not in finding a model, but in buying and selling to help avoid/solve problems. Overall: Keep records/copies of EVERYTHING. Emails, letters, money orders, checks, etc. If you are buying: 1) Use a money order. the PO has them cheap with Id #s. Tends to have quick turnaround time, too (Sellers don't have to wait for check to clear). the US Post office has them cheap, if if they get lost, can get replaced easily. 2) Send payment certified, maybe use the signing feature. This only costs a few bucks, and proves you sent it and it was received. 3) Keep receipts of all this, and make copies of the money order/checks 4) Problem arise - you can find via the PO whether your payment was received (if you send personal checks, you can get the cancelled check). 5) If you don't get your item - THIS IS MAIL FRAUD! A FEDERAL OFFENSE - contact your gov't agency (US Postmaster, attorney general). If you are selling: 1) ALWAYS, always demand money orders. These can't be "bounced". 2) Copy said money order for records, along with the envelope it came in for proof you got it (or just keep envelope) 3) Sending items: ALWAYS use delivery confirmation of some sort with the PO. If you send something USPS priority mail, delivery confirmation with signature is LESS THAN $2! Cheap insurance. 4) Regular insurance is cheap too. I think its $0.80 for $50. Take it. 5) If buyer accuses you of not sending, use PO website to check delivery. If you have proof of delivery, offer it. 6) If you have proof of delivery, and are still hassled, contact US Postmaster. To claim you didn't get something, and you did get it and try to get your money back, this is also ALSO MAIL FRAUD - a FEDERAL OFFENSE. If you are trading: 1) Try to get the other guy to send first. 2) ALWAYS use delivery confirmation with everything. I've had numerous trades on ebay, etc, and follow these procedures, and have never had a problem. "Ultimately most problems can be solved by applying a large brick to the correct skull. Difficulties arise when you don't have a brick or can't find the right skull. The devil is always in the details." - Marcus Cole -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: Mastering and RAF HSLs I've had very good results with Polyurethane Modelling board. This a wonderful material that is designed for prototyping in industrial modelling. Although expensive if you can find anywhere that sells it the offcuts available should be adequate for the ship modellers needs. It has no grain structure and sands very easily it also smooths up really well with wet and dry paper. In the UK it sells under the names Urial and Prolab 65. A check with company selling polyurethane resins to industry should reveal a source. I could provide small samples (25 mm squares) for any one to show around at suppliers if you get really stuck. There was a series of article in Airfix Magazine when the rescue launch was released which would be very helpful to anyone modelling this kit. Although I don't recall any mention of a German version. I have these articles if you would like copies, contact me off list. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Chryanthemum Crests Hi Doug Send me your address I'll send you five crests which I have spare Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Dido Hi George Yes this is a camouflage scheme - I think MS2 and 507C should cover it as I looked at it some time ago - it's one of the dark hull light upper works ones with a twist. There are better photos showing it in all it's glory. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Canal Barges Hi Ian Marines Editions list a book devoted to French barges Peniches de chez nous which might be worth looking at. For all those interested in Dunkerque and Strasbourg they are re-releasing their books on the subject along with the other Dumas books on Jean Bart and Richelieu. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Rodney Hi Edmund Wind baffle plates are metal sheets intended to catch and reduce an air stream thereby ensuring a wind free environment for the bridge crew. HACS is High Angle Control Station and it changed from the original fitting. On the Tamiya model of Rodney there are only four saluting guns, by the bridge. They are moulded on (but not particularly well) are you referring to the 4.7 HA guns as well? Delete all the boats on davits and cut down the mainmast by at least 3 centimetres. The yards need modifications as well. Carley floats are the oval shaped rafts. Counter shading was 507A - contact me off list and I can provide you with photos etc. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Deadline Discovery >> As WW2 continues to fade from the collective public memory, give a thought to the Allied sailors, soldiers, and airmen who crossed the Channel on that Sixth of June in 1944 -- many never made it. << I've tried. Lord knows I've tried, but so many kids just seem to have no interest in history at all, and the lousy school systems in the US don't help either. My daughter, who is 20 years old and a straight A student who has finished her second year of college, asked if she could borrow my car yesterday, the 6th of June. I told her she could borrow it if she could tell me the significance of June 6th in history. Her reply was, "Uhhhh, Pearl Harbor?" I guess I should be happy that she had at least heard of Pearl Harbor. And yes, I let her have the car anyway. Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Tom Freeman Prints >> Derek mentioned a Tom Freeman painting of Enterprise passing the Arizona wreck: is this painting available on line? I haven't been able to find it. << You might try Don Preul's website to get ordering info on Tom Freeman's prints. He's a dealer of Tom's prints and shows them in color on his site: jdproduct.com. BTW Don also has some really nice goodies in the way of destroyer photoetch parts in 1/192 and fiberglass hulls on the site as well. The hulls have the correct plating and portholes, etc molded in. This line will expand in the near future and should be good for our hobby as the products are made to a very high level of quality. Best Regards, Victor Baca Model Ship Journal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Ray Mehlberger" Subject: Color of the decks on type IXB & C U-Boats Does anybody know what color the decks were on the type IXb & c U-boats. The kits I have say to paint them wood color. I only have the Squadron in Action book for reference and the black and white photos in it do not bear out a natural wood color of any sort. Whenever the deck is in the picture it appears to be a very dark, perhaps, gray? I think the color art, on the books cover, is very suspect.... showing a light wood deck. Thanks in advance. Regards, Ray Mehlberger Contributing Armor Editor for INTERNET MODELER MAGAZINE www.internetmodeler.com Personal Web Page: http://members.tripod.com/~research60/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: KHS1392@webtv.net (KARL H. SCHULZ) Subject: Re: Libery ship models My thanks to Chris Friedenbach for the reissue oh Frederic Lane`s "Ships for Victory". Placed an order for it with Amazon.com and will receive it when it will be published in December, 2001. This is what SMML is all about, the sharing of information. Thanks again. Regards, Karl H. Schulz Roseville, CA. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Richa5011@aol.com Subject: Re: BIT Training >> I am soliciting suggestions for appropriate acts of retribution to be visited upon the person of John Snyder for his traitorous behavior towards his homeland. Obviously no punishment can be too great... << Isn't having to drive on the wrong side of the road with a left-hand drive Miata, no option but to drink his beer warm and enduring hoof & mouth outbreaks in the vicinity punishment enough for this man? There is a certain thing called mercy...could we not show him mercy as he has clearly already suffered greatly. With tounge firmly in cheek... Nat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: mastering I use a variety of materials (styrene, hardwood, paper, plywood, brass, aluminum, etc.) for making masters for RTV molds. My hulls are usually carved from basswood or some other hardwood, primed with a lacquer-based automotive primer/surfacer, and wet-sanded/primed/wet-sanded/etc., until I get the desired finish. I avoid balsa like the plague, as it has huge grain and won't take a hard edge. As Michael London noted, RTV is very unforgiving in the sense that it does pick up every detail (and scratch) on the master. If you still have imperfections on the master after priming/sanding, a quality lacquer-based automotive spot putty (I use Nitro-Stan), wet-sanded, will work wonders. This approach works fine for me, but I'm sure there are other approaches that work as well or better. Maybe some of the SMMLie pattern makers for the various manufacturers will provide some alternatives. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Battle of Midway: 4-7 June 1942 This was sent to me by a friend who served on the Enterprise (CVN-65) back in the 80s. Thought it was worth sharing Derek Wakefield >> FROM: BRUCE LEWIS TO: ALL NAVAL PERSONNEL, VETERANS, AND THEIR FRIENDS SUBJ: MIDWAY NOW HEAR THIS Midway: 59 years ago today. Never forget the heroism of Admiral Chester W. Nimitz and the men of Task Forces 16 and 17! Long live the memories of Torpedo Squadron 8! Forever remember the brave Marines of MAG 22 and the rest of the defenders of Midway Island! And may God bless the souls of all the men -- from both sides -- who died on those fateful days almost sixty years ago. "The Battle of Midway, fought near the Central Pacific island of Midway, is considered the decisive battle of the war in the Pacific. Before this battle the Japanese were on the offensive, capturing territory throughout Asia and the Pacific. By their attack, the Japanese had planned to capture Midway to use as an advance base, as well as to entrap and destroy the U.S. Pacific Fleet. Because of communication intelligence successes, the U.S. Pacific Fleet surprised the Japanese forces, sinking the four Japanese carriers, that had attacked Pearl Harbor only six months before, while only losing of one carrier. After Midway, the Americans and their Allies took the offensive in the Pacific..." http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq81-1.htm Please forward to all Navy-friendly personnel. THAT IS ALL << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "John Rule" Subject: Battleship Royal Sovereign >> Here's a combined eBay and modeling question. Appearing on eBay today is an auction for the HMS Royal Sovereing. The kit is made in the Ukraine, however, I do not recognize either the manufacturer or the kit. Would like to hear from any one with knowledge of the kit and/or the manufacturer. << This is another re-use of the old Frog molds. The model is not very good. I saw it my local hobby shop today. It has the worst piece of box art I think I've ever seen. I always thought the box art was supposed to attract the purchaser. Don't pay too much for it. Make sure you check some of the on-line shops for prices before submitting a bid. Sincerely, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Mastering >> Wood is not recommended as the grain could very well transfer to the mold. << WRONG!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: Polish kit querry Hi DP Well there is no letters or company logo on it and after opening them they're almost dried out with light vanilla colorglue. I was just curious so I thought I'd ask.Since they're dried out I'm going to throw them away. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "resolution" Subject: Royal Sovereign & ebay First Royal sovereign, Ex Revell, Frog, Novo, MPC, Chematic ETC,ETC. & EX HMS Revenge. Available from White Ensign Models (cheaper than Ebay) free plug any free stuff guys!!!! the kit itself is a real challenge due to the moulds being old and misaligned, the 15" guns are unusable because of this, but the over all the kit is fairly close to old tiddly, use GMM 1/500 photo etch to add detail. I've made two now one sovereign and one converted to Resolution, well almost. Now Ebay one lesson I've have learnt, vague descriptions mean something's wrong, I recently purchased a 1966 revell Vosper mtb, thankfully cheap but the description said 1966 revell vosper mtb!! when I received it, scribbles all over the instructions and it have been started by a ham fisted glue junkie. so be careful. Richard Baker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Models for sale Thanks to all who let me know the link didn't work. My ebay username is ca139salem but I'm in no way affiliated with the USNSM. Rod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Ed Grune Subject: Re: WTB Skywave Buckley Class DE Bob wrote looking for a Skywave Buckley-class DE. I purchased a kit (two per box) from Pacific Front earlier in the year. Contact Bill Gruner at PacFront for availability. If he's out of stock, post back to me. I'll part with one. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Bloody Battleship Blast Bags I'm convinced my eyesight is going. I've been informed that Tennessee, California, Maryland, and West Virgina had black blast bags, and the Nevada, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, and Arizona all had light gray blast bags the morning of the PH Attack. I've seen photos of the Nevada and West Virginia that bear this out, but I've yet to see photos of the other ships that do. For the life of me, all I'm seeing are bare, open gunsleeves when I look at these photos. Unless.... There's a photo in Gruner's Blue Water Beat of the California in ABSD1 in '44 after her collision with the Tennesee. In this photo, it's pretty clear she's wearing dark blast bags that only over the individual gun sleeves and just barely extend out over the barrels. They appear to be rather tight fitting, and in a photo taken from a slightly different angle I downloaded from Navsource (???), I never would've guessed there were blast bags there. Are these the type of blast bags that were employed aboard the ships the morning of the attack? Perhaps I'm just used to the more "billowing" type of blast bags that extend further out on the barrels. Going baggy! Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Graeme Martin Subject: Yamato Hi All. I am commissioning a painting of IJNS Yamato...... moments before her final demise as in "Ten -ichigo" April 1945. What I need to know are the following; 1/. What was the weather conditions like, was there blue sky, scatted cloud cover or what? I know it was 1200 hours! 2/. How big were the seas? 3/. What speed was she travelling at? 4/. Where was the wind coming from, like across her port or starboard bow? 5/. What battle flags was she flying? 6/. What planes was she carrying and were any of them on the catapults moments before time of attack? 7/. What were the American planes that led the initial attack and what camoflage were they carrying. Were they all carrying torpedoes or were some carrying bombs or both? 8/. Did the American planes circle before making their run or come in from cloud cover or from high angle or having the sun behind them? 9/. Were any of the destroyers from the accompanying squadron in Yamaoto's vicinity moments before initial attack? 10/. Obviously the anti aircraft guns would have been at high angle for an incoming air attack. But were any of the bigger guns readied or were they still in the centre line position? If anybody can help with these or any other facts that they think are pertinent, please advise as I want this painting to be as accurate as possible to history. in anticipation................. Thanks, Graeme Martin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume