Subject: SMML VOL 1290 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:27:28 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Airfix feedback - Crew Members 2: Unused Fletcher Hull Number 3: US Navy to test Skjold - Jane's Naval Forces 4: Re: Navy Log 5: Bathtubs on Battleships 6: Re: Unused FLETCHER class hull numbers 7: Re: Crew Members 8: Revell Kit USS Burleigh APA-95 9: Italian Decks of WWII 10: Re: Unused FLETCHER class hull numbers 11: Ebay search engine - making it go further 12: Scharnhorst colour scheme 13: Zuiho and Zuikaku 14: Re: Unused Fletcher Hull Numbers 15: FW: Siding of sheet anchors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Promodel 2: Revell 1/570-1/600 SS United States 3: Re: Z-37 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: Airfix feedback - Crew Members Boatbldr asked - >> So does any one else have any suggestions for 1/72 size crew. (Revell Monogram - the US distributor for the Corvette told me to talk to Revell germany - still waiting a response from them) BTW the Airfix vinyl figures are horrible to work with! << Get the Preiser WW2 Luftwaffe pilot and ground crew (26 figures) and Panzer mechanic (20 figures) sets. Mostly good "working" poses that would be ideal for a ship model in 1/72. Available from Squadron Mail Order. >> 2001 catalogue - in 1/72 scale the RAF rescue launch and the Vosper MTB are not listed anymore, only the E-Boat. << The Vosper is out of production for the time being. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Jerry Slagle Subject: Unused Fletcher Hull Number Derek, Here's a list as I researched from: http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/destroy/ DD 503 STEVENSON CANCELLED DD 504 STOCKTON CANCELLED DD 505 THORN CANCELLED DD 506 TURNER CANCELLED DD 523 CANCELLED DD 524 CANCELLED DD 525 CANCELLED DD 542 CANCELLED DD 543 CANCELLED DD 548 CANCELLED DD 549 CANCELLED Hope it helps, Jerry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: US Navy to test Skjold - Jane's Naval Forces http://www.janes.com/defence/naval_forces/news/jdw/jdw010607_2_n.shtml -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Dizzydismal@cs.com Subject: Re: Navy Log To: Simon S. Only remember viewing it once, as a child, before my fog of war set in. Wish History Channel or some channel would show those as well as Silent Service and Victory at Sea. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Lump518176@aol.com Subject: Bathtubs on Battleships I thought it was the Iowa that had the bathtub. Used by FDR during a 1943 cross Atlantic trip. Jerry Phillips -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Roland Mar Subject: Re: Unused FLETCHER class hull numbers According to Fahey's Ships and Aircraft of the US Fleet [Victory Edition], 9 of the FLETCHER class contracts were cancelled for various reasons and the hulls were converted to other classes under other series numbers. The 9 missing numbers were DD's 505, 506, 523, 524, 525, 542, 543, 548, and 549. As far as I can tell, these were not yet allocated names when cancelled, so you have a bit of leeway as to what goes on the fantail. Hope this helps, Roland Mar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: royrichey@att.net Subject: Re: Crew Members You might try the armor section of your local hobby shop. Airfix makes a series of tanks, trucks, etc and also has some 'soldier' sets available. Roy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: aandmblevins@att.net Subject: Revell Kit USS Burleigh APA-95 Does anyone know of the existence of an unbuilt Revell kit of the attack transport USS Burleigh APA-95? If so, please contact me off-line at aandmblevins@att.net Thanks, Al Blevins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Italian Decks of WWII Hi, For when I finally get around to completing one of my models of Italian warships of WWII, I was wondering what color the steel decks should be. Using the Snyder & Short chips, would it be the dark grey, "grigio scuro"? If so, it seems that if you have a ship painted up in a dark grey & light grey (grigio chiarro or grigio cinerino chiarro) pattern on the vertical surfaces that the deck would be the same color as one of the colors in the pattern; should it be that way? Thanks in advance! Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: Unused FLETCHER class hull numbers Hi Guys Concerning the request for unused canceled Fletcher class hull numbers they are DD-452, 482, 503, 504, 505, 509, 523, 524, 525, 542, 543, 548 and 549. Hope this is of help to you Derek. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Richard Simpson Subject: Ebay search engine - making it go further I have had a number of enquiries about the ebay search engine and how to manipulate it. I just used the normal interface to write some queries (via the new, full page search engine) then saved them and had a look at how they showed up in the saved area. It turns out that if a search is enclosed in quotes then the phase in the quotes is searched for literally, it a comma separated list is enclosed in brackets they are ORed together and everything else is ANDed together. Thus entering (heller,airfix) ("1:400","1/400","1:600","1/600",HMS,"H.M.S.") finds all auctions which contain: One or more of "heller" OR "airfix" AND one or more of "1:400" OR "1/400" OR "1:600" OR "1/600" OR HMS OR "H.M.S." This (right now) yields 59 hits. Try it. NOTE: These should be entered in the small search field available on most screens NOT the full search page. I just used the full search page to generate searched to look at. Now to limit by category. I noticed there are many more categories that can be browsed than searched. If you generate a search for say the string "yamato" in books you get 13 hits. Notice the URL contains the string "category0=267", 267 is books. If you change the 267 to 1127 (I think) in the url you get military books and now generate 7 hits, all current military books containing the string "yamato". You can now save your search and have ebay send you email when something shows up. Hope that explains what I have been doing. Richard Simpson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Scharnhorst colour scheme I have just watched the BBC2 documentary on Scharnhorst that I taped recently. One of the sequences of the now inverted wreck (of a secondary turret and part of the hull side) shows what looks very much like a hard demarcation line between a dark and a lighter colour on the hull side, angling downwards at c.45 degrees or so. I had always thought that Scharnhorst was in plain grey at the time of its loss, but this looked like splinter camouflage (like that used on Tirpitz) to me. Anyone care to comment? The ship clearly took a battering, and the entire section forward of the bridge is missing, I assume due to a secondary explosion in one of the forward 28cm magazines. Apparently the wreck was several miles from where the official records placed it, due to the poor weather at the time and the fact that it was the Arctic winter causing the allied forces to incorrectly calculate their position. I say allied as the Norwegian navy was also present, which I had not appreciated before - one of the RN veterans commented that he thought the Norwegian destroyer was planning to moor alongside the Scharnhorst, it was so close...... Robert Lockie Swindon UK Hi Robert, In Siegfried Breyer's 1990 book on the Scharnhorst, on page 39 it shows a portside view in 1943, a few months before the Battle of the North Cape, with the following caption: "The bow & stern painted have been painted to stand out from the grey, so as to shorten the silhouette for camouflage purposes" Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Randy Short Subject: Zuiho and Zuikaku Hello everyone, I would like to get in touch with folks that have the Hasegawa Zuiho and the Tamiya Zuikaku kits. I'd like to find out what camo info they come with and get color copies of it. Thanks, mates. Also, Duane Fowler wants the Heller 1/400 Illustrious at a reasonable price. Randy Short -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: Unused Fletcher Hull Numbers Derek, DD 542, 543, 548, 549 were all cancelled, and all in the Fletcher # range. Joe Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: FW: Siding of sheet anchors I am forwarding this on behalf of a fellow member of the Maritime History list. Joe Poutre >> From: John Harland [SMTP:jharland@smartt.com] Siding of sheet anchors Michael London asks: > > Can anyone explain why the German Navy carried the sheet anchor on the port side, opposite to the practice in other navies which carried it on the starboard? The principal anchors are, of course, the bower anchors while the sheet anchor was usually found, as a spare, just aft of the bower usually deployed. Was it German practice to always use the port bower except in an emergency or did they use the starboard bower as common practice? < < I don't think anyone knows the answer to this. The theoretical basis for the siding of anchors is the Coriolis Effect ... the tendency of gale-winds to 'veer' (go clockwise) in the Northern hemisphere. This accounts for a general preference to use the port anchor as the 'working' anchor north of the equator. If the ship were riding to either port or starboard anchor, and the wind increased and veered, the sheet could be dropped without the anchor cables crossing the cable already down. Local conditions might result in the starboard anchor to chosen as 'working' anchor. For instance, Dutch sailing vessels handled things differently depending on whether they were anchored near the Texel or in the Maas. This is discussed, as it applies to sailing warships, in *Seamanship in the Age of Sail*, pp 237-8; *Mariner's Mirror* Vol 48 (1962) pp 138-140; and*Mariner's Mirror* Vol 69 (1983), pp 306-309. British capital ships almost always carried the sheet anchor to starboard. HMS *Agincourt* of WW 1, was an apparent exception to the above rule, but she was originally laid down for the Brazilian Navy, i e. for service in the southern hemisphere, and hence had the sheet anchor to port. German ships up to the *Nassau* class were fitted the traditional way, but in 1909, starting with the *Helgoland* class the Imperial German Navy fitted the sheet anchor to port. In practice, there would have been few occasions when a battleship needed to rely on her sheet anchor, but I do know of one instance where this occurred. Admiral Brian Schofield, then commanding officer of the *King George V* gave the order "Let go the sheet anchor!", when riding out a storm in Tokyo Bay ink 1945. (Personal communication). Some years ago, I asked several officers of the German and Swedish navies about the 1909 shift in German practice, and the consensus was that, whatever the grounds for the change, it was not on any technical basis. Historically, the German service had depended in its very early days, on RN expertise, and perhaps the Naval Staff in Berlin decided that they had followed the British lead long enough, switched the side of the sheet anchor, 'just to be different' from the RN. Not really relevant, to the question, but indicative of the extremely close ties that *had* existed between Britain and Germany in the 19th C, we have to remember that King George V and Kaiser Wilhelm II were first cousins, and that Britain's First Sea Lord at the outbreak of the 1914 war, was a German princeling. According to G L Lowis: *Fabulous Admirals*, in Victorian days some RN officers went so far as to affect a German accent. << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Jada Enterprises Subject: Promodel Interested in professional model talent? Experienced spokemodel, printwork, magazines, commercials and more. Click here: http://promodel.homestead.com or cut and paste the url in your browser. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Revell 1/570-1/600 SS United States We have this kit in stock 22.95 get them while they last. 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