Subject: SMML VOL 1291 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:38:07 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Pruel at the Nats! 2: Re: Navy Log 3: Bathtubs on Battleships 4: Revell USS Burleigh 5: Oldest models 6: AGC plans 7: Re: Silent Service 8: Re: Boatbldr's question about 1/72 figures 9: Ark Royal 10: Unused Fletcher Hull Numbers 11: FOB and other shipping terms 12: Mountbatten Pink, Humbrol colour mix 13: Got book 14: Cruel Sea the movie/Castle class corvette 15: Bargains on e-bay and some howlers!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: RN Camouflage Volume III -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Pruel at the Nats! For you shipwrights out there coming to the Nats in Chicago, I just got some exciting news. Don Pruel will be entering at least one of his magnificent models. I can't tell what category or model, (I'm not allowed to give away things like that) but with Don entering it just moved the ship categories to a new high standard. I have never seen one of Don's models in person, but after seeing them on the pages of Model Ship Journal, I think I had better buy another roll of film. Don is one of the ship builders there is, and I think it's fantastic that he will be there. One thing is certain, you'll know which model is his. It will be the one with the crowds around it. I'm REALLY looking forward to the Nats this year Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard http://okclive.com/flagship/ "That's mighty bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SolidStump@aol.com Subject: Re: Navy Log >> Only remember viewing it once, as a child, before my fog of war set in. Wish History Channel or some channel would show those as well as Silent Service and Victory at Sea. << Yes! And "Uncommon Valor"....was a common virtue..USMC in WW2...and begging all the shipmodelers' indulgence, The Big Picture which had historical background on 50's US Army development. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: Bathtubs on Battleships Jerry Phillips Lump518176@aol.com >> I thought it was the Iowa that had the bathtub. Used by FDR during a 1943 cross Atlantic trip. << While one of the Iowa class may have had a full bath tub, there is something very similar on board the USS Salem. In the Sickbay head, there is a shallow porcelain tub that looks like it would be used for men who couldn't stand to take a shower. Any former US Navy Corpsmen out there that served on a cruiser, battleship, or carrier, that could confirm what this 'tub' was used for? Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts, USA http://www.uss-salem.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: aandmblevins@att.net Subject: Revell USS Burleigh Thanks to all who replied to my request for a USS Burleigh kit. I found one today. Another great reason to belong to this group. Al Blevins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Doug Wilde" Subject: Oldest models Hank in 1286 suggested that ship modelling was the oldest hobby because ship models were found among mummies. This can easily be explained because the ancient Egyptians had an uninteresting airforce and boring auto industry. Now the armour guys would give you a strong argument because of the chariot models. Or should those be considered cars? Armoured cars? Actually the first models, and hence winner of the "oldest" honor are figurines, dating back to the Venuses found in caves. Ship modelers: always the bridesmaid, never the bride. Doug Wilde -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: AGC plans Ahoy: Can anybody help me? I am looking for plans for AGC-1, USS APPALACHIAN. I have not seen any such plan by Taubmann or Floating Drydock but maybe something else is very close? My Father served on it for the duration of W.W.II from it's first operation when it left San Diego for Pearl Harbor on 13 Jan 44 - he was a member of the staff for Rear Admiral Richard L. Conolly. Dad served with Conolly all through the war and most of the time was on the ship through the occupation of Japan until they returned to San Francisco where the ship was converted to the press headquarters ship for the Bikini Atoll Atom Bomb Tests the summer of 46. I would like to make a model of the ship while Dad is still around. I think the AGC's were almost identical to a type of amphibious ship. The AGC's are listed as being Maritime Commission std. Type: C2-S-B1 which might be a very helpful clue to somebody better versed in Navy ships than I am. An interesting coincidence happened about 4 months ago when I attended my first local Navy League meeting and sat with a W.W.II vet who was telling us about his experiences at the Bikini Atoll Atom Bomb tests. He went there on a ship that was to be sunk in the tests. he was told he would return on another ship. Well, after all his experiences in repairing the ship after the first test to keep it afloat long enough for the next test where he was exposed to excessive amounts of radiation he related that he was told to report to an AGC. He asked me if I knew what and AGC was and when I told him that my Father had served on AGC-1 through the war he said "that's my ship! The APPALACHIAN!" I was able to copy an aerial photo my Dad has of the ship and at the next meeting I gave the copy to the local vet who didn't have a picture of the ship. He was very grateful and actually had tears in his eyes when I gave him the photo. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL NRG member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Silent Service >> Only remember viewing it once, as a child, before my fog of war set in. Wish History Channel or some channel would show those as well as Silent Service and Victory at Sea. << Old kinetoscopes of Silent Service have been converted to VCR, and are available through a member of the SubCommittee. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: isublett@home.com Subject: Re: Boatbldr's question about 1/72 figures I hadn't been paying close attention. If you want to do a little modification and painting, it's like the old sailing ship tale: "you're lying in the Amazon delta, let down your cask and drink". There are hundreds of 1/72nd figures misnamed "aircrew" or "artillerymen" or some such, just waiting for you. Not to mention, if you are around the Brits, all those "00" (1/76) figures. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "CAYETANO MARTINEZ" Subject: Ark Royal Dear friends of SMML: We are looking for information of the exact location of the wreck of HMS ARK ROYAL III, sunk at 30 miles East of Gibraltar by U-81 at IIW.W. Any idea of depth and any pictures filmed of this Royal Navy Aircraft Carrier? Thanks. Cayetano Martínez camarbel@teleline.es -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Unused Fletcher Hull Numbers Much thanks to everyone who offered info on this. Looks like my project is going to be USS Gallagher (DD-523). I'm naming it after a lady friend who torpedoed me a few months back. Decided I wanted a firm reminder of this experience up on the shelf so I don't make the same mistake of letting my guard down again. Didn't see that full spread comin' until it was too late to do anything other than say "hoo-boy, this is gonna smart." Now it's just a matter of deciding on a dazzle scheme. She's a rather confusing (not to mention confounding) person who tends to wear a bit of make up at times (ie, it fits!!!). Just not sure if they had names on the stern when they were wearing those schemes. My guess is they would be painted over, and unlike battleships, I'm not sure if destroyers had raised letters denoting names on their stern. Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "pxs98" Subject: FOB and other shipping terms This came up a few days ago; I'm not trying to be a nit-picker, but FOB really does stand for FREE ON BOARD. You can check the following site where details on what this and other terms mean: http://www.iccwbo.org/index_incoterms.asp I hope this is helpful whenever you are buying or selling stuff via mail order and/or on Ebay. Regards, Pablo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Franz Aigner GmbH" Subject: Mountbatten Pink, Humbrol colour mix What mix of Humbrol colours do you suggest for Mountbatten Pink? DHJ, in an early issue of Plastic Ship Modeler, recommends (8)x64 + (1)x13. (64 and 13 are Humbrol colour numbers). Unfortunately, my Humbrol paints chart skipps the unlucky 13, so I am none the wiser. Greetings, Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Got book Got book (Battleship Arizona), see blast bags (and a bunch of other interesting stuph). Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Nathan Pettigrew" Subject: Cruel Sea the movie/Castle class corvette Hello all, Recently I found a copy of the the Cruel Sea on video and watched it the other night. I have to say it's a great interpretation of the book and a very good movie. Now if I can find Corvette K-225... Obviously there are several Flower class corvettes, but I haven't had any luck finding a Castle class corvette. Is there one out there I might have missed or do any of the resin folks have it planned? Thanks for your time and help, Nathan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Paul Lewis" Subject: Bargains on e-bay and some howlers!! Hi all, Following a string I read a couple of weeks ago re: bargains to be had on the beloved e-bay. I have just won an Italeri 1:720 Lutzow for the (what I consider small) price of $6 or roughly £4.50. As I was the only bidder on this item, have I bought a load of c##p?, well at that price I could use it to lite my cigars!! what the hell. Have any of you guy's noticed the howlers that keep on cropping up on e-bay. here are my three favourite ones: 1 HMS Scharnhorst (oh come on). 2 HMS Prince of Whales (sister ship to the pilchard maybe) 3 HMS Nielson (the singer or murderer?) Has anyone else seen this sort of thing, honestly!! Paul Lewis. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: RN Camouflage Volume III Hi all, I am now accepting pre-orders for RN Camouflage Volume III. Canada $24Cdn US/Intl $16US UK 12 GBP These prices do not include shipping. Remember: You can sell your used books or extra kits on the site at no cost or obligation, just email me with your ad. 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