Subject: SMML VOL 1292 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:33:32 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: bathtubs 2: 1/48 figures 3: Re: Oldest Models 4: Mikasa Conversions (?) 5: Re: '41 Arizona 6: Re: Silent Service 7: Floating Drydock 8: Re: AGC Plans 9: Re: Castle Class Corvettes and Cruel Sea 10: WorldNetDaily: Signs of strength in Russia's navy 11: Re: Unused Fletcher Hull Number 12: Box Art as Painting Guides -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Don Preul's Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: bathtubs >> While one of the Iowa class may have had a full bath tub, there is something very similar on board the USS Salem. In the Sickbay head, there is a shallow porcelain tub that looks like it would be used for men who couldn't stand to take a shower. Any former US Navy Corpsmen out there that served on a cruiser, battleship, or carrier, that could confirm what this 'tub' was used for? << There's one on the USS Olympia, and when John Sheridan gets the CD I sent him with my photo tour of the Olympia, and posts the same on SteelNavy, it will be there for all to see!!! :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: 1/48 figures Can any SMMLer advise a source for 1/48 (1/4"=1') U.S.Navy crew figures? Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Oldest Models >> Hank in 1286 suggested that ship modelling was the oldest hobby because ship models were found among mummies. This can easily be explained because the ancient Egyptians had an uninteresting airforce. << Not true! In the documentary film "StarGate", the Egyptians were flying very cool jet fighters.....what? That's NOT a documentary? Never mind.......... Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Mikasa Conversions (?) Seal-Models makes a beautiful 1:700 Mikasa. My question is, that since the Mikasa was basically a British warship built for delivery to the Japanese, was the Mikasa built per the plans of a Royal Navy battleships? Can I take a Seals Mikasa and do a conversion to any other 1900's British battleship? This could open up some possibilities for building HMS warships from an era that is sorely missing from the market place. Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John Maze Subject: Re: '41 Arizona From: Derek Wakefield >> Pirie Sublett Wrote >>> Stillwell, page 130, has about as clear a picture of the casement mounts as you could want. Page 190 shows the canvas covers closed, and <<< Shall have to wait until I'm working again and can afford the book. The more I hear, the more I'm thinking it's going to be a must for this project. << Derek, Try getting references from the library via inter-library loan (for the books your local library doesn't have). Copy or scan the pics, etc, that are useful or make a note of where you found them and what they are, so you can order up the correct book again. (Loans can be for anywhere from a week to three weeks, depending on the loaning library's rules.) This is what I did to get started on my WeeVee armoured cruiser project, since I, too, am out-of-work and cannot afford to buy Musicant's book right now. This also allowed me to check out a large number of titles for possible info without spending a dime. JohnM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Silent Service Bit of trivia for you - a lot of the episodes were filmed on board the USS SAWFISH at Long Beach Naval Shipyard. There is also an episode of Perry Mason that was filmed on board her too - but the unique thing is that the USS RONCADOR is tied up next to her as she replaced the SAWFISH as an Naval Training ship.So that was during the transition period. Likewise a lot of the old NAVY LOG episodes were filmed aboard ships stationed at Long Beach for obvious reasons, being close to where the studios where. Amazing how much garbage we retain from our childhood! Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE - Naval & Aviation Art -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Kdg345@aol.com Subject: Floating Drydock Does anyone know if Floating Drydock is still in business. I had a partial order filled a few months ago and now they don't even answer my e-mail. With the order I got my marked up order form with no explaination. Looking at the form I could only guess that the zeros meant on back order. I have had orders in the past with very slow service. Ken Groom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: DRPREUL@aol.com Subject: Re: AGC Plans Kurt, The Smithsonian Institute National Museum of American History, The Maritime Administration Collection of Ship Plans (1939-1970) has drawings for the C1-S-B1, (General Arrangement, Outboard and Inboard Profiles, Lines and Body plan, Shell plating, Rigging, rudder, props, arrangement of shafting). I believe they have enough to do a fine model of a C1-S-B1, all you would need is some good onboards of the AGCs to pick out the rest of the details and modifications to match the ship you want to build. You can try calling them at: 202-357-2025 ask for someone who is in the M/A Collection of Ship Plans. As for detail photos you would need to go to the National Archives Photographic Department on the 5th Floor or call them. Don Preul.....J&D Productions.....Annapolis, Md.....www.jdproduct.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Re: Castle Class Corvettes and Cruel Sea I agree with Nathan regarding the Cruel Sea and if you can find a copy of Corvette K-225 (HMCS Kitchener)--get it. It's schlocky in parts, but well worth having. I taped it off the AMC channel late one night several years ago. As for the Castle class. It is an excellent subject for modeling. The hull has all the qualities of a well designed ship made to go where the seas are rough and the submarines plentiful. Castles had a good reputation in respect to sea-keeping qualities and were the logical "next-generation" of corvette design. The Castle in The Cruel sea was a post-war unit and is probably the only incorrect part of the movie in respect to keeping pace with the book. The fictional crew was re-assigned to a River class escort (another under-represented but important ship type of WWII) after losing their corvette, HMS Compass Rose, to a submarine's torpedo. The Rivers were described by Cruel Sea author Nicholas Monserrat as, looking like "a block of flats." Maybe, but they also had a nifty-looking hull and were much more attractive than their counterparts, the Captain class frigates. The Canadian version with the twin gun mount up front are very cool looking ships. So many models to do... Rest in peace Ferraby, wherever you are. Victor Baca Model Ship Journal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: WorldNetDaily: Signs of strength in Russia's navy http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23265 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: Unused Fletcher Hull Number Hi Guys The numbers DD-452 and DD-482 were for the Percival and the Watson. They were for experimental propulsion such as high pressure boilers and Diesel propulsion. Either was pursued and the ships weren't built. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Box Art as Painting Guides I had no intention building plastic ship kits but couldn't resist a bargain when someone decided to clear his basement collection. So I am now the owner of the Tamiya Missouri, Prince of Wales and the Fletcher. Other than adding GMM's photoetch sets I don't really want to invest too much time researching details like what kind of linoleum they had. Are the painting guides as per instruction sheets and box art accurate enough to finish a good model? I also have a 1/450 Hasegawa Bismark which I never completed because it looked clunky "toylike." Is this model worth salvaging, presumably with some heroic sawing and modifying? Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Re: Don Preul's Models >> I have never seen one of Don's models in person, but after seeing them on the pages of Model Ship Journal, I think I had better buy another roll of film. Don is one of the (best) ship builders there is...Rusty White << Wait 'till you see the Summer issue of Model Ship Journal. We have a huge spread on Don's fantastic model of USS Epperson, a Gearing class DD in FRAM 1 configuration. Many modelers have requested info on Don and how his models are built and we have all of that in there as well. He could win an aircraft modeling award on the strength of the tiny 1/192 scale DASH unmanned helicopter sitting on the flight deck! Good luck, Don. Victor Baca Model Ship Journal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume