Subject: SMML VOL 1308 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 00:58:57 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Exocet - VCR Video Warning 2: Re: Detail sets for FLower class corvette? 3: New US Naval Institute Books For Fall 4: Re: 1:350 scale "fittings" 5: Re: HMS Sheffield, WWII 6: Re: Rigging material 7: Re: Flower Class Corvette Detail sets 8: The Enemy Below (Robert Mitchum flick) 9: Re: Samek Questions 10: Kronprinz Wilhelm/USS VonSteuben 11: Corvette models 12: DJ Parkins Great Little Ships detail Sets 13: 1/72 Flower class corvette fittings 14: URL please for HR fittings? 15: Exmouth 16: HMCS Wetaskiwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: July Internet Modeler 2: Yet another NM special HMCS Snowberry 3: Re: Revell Midway class carrier 4: Re: Lindberg Tug Pics 5: Re: Revell Corvette and Great Little Ships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Boatbldr" Subject: Exocet - VCR Video Warning Folks in Britain ... While the rest of the articale talks about alleged cover ups in courts of inquiry, at the end of the article there is a VCR alert at the end "Exocet will be shown on BBC Two on Sunday 1 July at 2100BST." Full article at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1414000/1414411.stm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Detail sets for FLower class corvette? >> Does anyone have a source for detail kits/fittings upgrades designed to be used with the 1/72 Revell Flower Corvette? I know that David Parkins used to make some fitting for the old Matchbox kit, but I understood them to be OOP now. << no He reissued an extensively revised/redesigned set, but be prepared to dig deep!! http://www.djparkins.clara.net/gls/glsmast.htm Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "James Hathaway" Subject: New US Naval Institute Books For Fall I just got the Fall list of books from US Naval Institute Press and there are several that may be of interest to list members; Advance Force Pearl Harbor- A study of the submarine component of the attack on Pearl Harbor available 9-01 US Amphibious Ships and Craft, An Illustrated Design History- Vol 8 in Norman Friedman's great series due-12-01 Naval Camouflage 1914-1945 A Complete Visual Reference 256 pgs, 350 illus. due out 11-01 Liberty, The Ships That Won The War due 09-01 Birth Of The Battleship, British Capital Ship Design 1870-1881 due 09-01 The Royal Navy Submarine Service, A Centennial History due 10-01 The Fleet Submarine in the US Navy - reprint out 09-01 These were only a few from the brochure, I don't know if they are on the website yet. Jim Hathaway -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Ed Grune Subject: Re: 1:350 scale "fittings" Duckman wrote: >> PLEASE RECOMMEND SOMEWHERE TO PURCHASE MODERN 1:350 FITTINGS. << Specifcally, what sort of fittings are you in search of? Gold Medal Models makes some excellent hatches, fire hoses, life rings and cable reels; not to mentions rails and ladders. GMM has dedicated ship sets too. Tom's Modelworks makes ship sets, but also makes a very nice floater basket set (to name but a one of many add ons). Rusty White's Flagship models makes some dedicated sets, and also makes some nice hatches and railings. Look at White Ensign, they make a wide variety of add on "stuff". Aber makes some unique etched metal hatches, grates, and handwheels, if you can find them. Check the railroad section at your local hobby shop for such names as Detail Associates, they have things that can be modified for ship use. Look around. The stuff is out there. Ed Mansfield, TX Packing for the trip to Chi-town for the Nats - if the 2 inch rains this morning don't wash me away. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Harold Stockton" Subject: Re: HMS Sheffield, WWII In SMML 1270, Lamar Jones asked the following question: >> In Sheffield's forward funnel well, attached to each of the inboard hanger sides is a platform, with a ladder from the main deck and then a ladder from the platform to a walkway forward of the funnel. Does anyone know the correct placement of these platforms? How high above the main deck? << Within the Southampton class, which the Sheffield was of the second group, the forward funnel well was made use of with internal spaces and accommodations in the third group by shifting the location of the forward funnel to a midship position. In the earlier two groups, these spaces must have been intolerably hot with the funnel gases passing through this area of the ship. The deck in question by Mr. Jones was the top of the hanger area, that housed the Type 23 Blind Fire Barrage Directors, the twin 20mm AA positions and their ready use lockers, and the two 44" search lights. The wheelhouse and signals deck was just above that deck, with a ladder leading up from the observation deck just mentioned. To the rear of the wheelhouse and signals deck there were the two 20" signal lamps, to P&S, and the signal flag lockers. I hope this clears up the question about how this area of the Southampton classes were constructed? Harold Stockton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: Rigging material >> The diameter on my spool read .0035. I don't know if they make any thinner or not, but this stuff is super thin and looks in perfect scale with 1/350 models. It's so thin that you can barely see it on the model, which is as it should be. It works just like nylon thread and contracts well when exposed to a heat source such as a smoldering match head. This stuff is absolutely great and I would recommend it to anyone. I'll never use anything else on my models. << Rusty, I use tippets line too, have for years. I have about different eight diameters in my tool box. I agree that you should almost not be able to see the rigging in small scales but if you want it a bit more noticeable, try one of these: 1: We both like to do a final spray of dull-kote and this makes the rigging a bit easier to see. 2. before using it, trap a piece of line against a scrap of plastic with a magic marker and pull the line through. I usually do this twice. It takes the "clear" look away. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Kerry Jang Subject: Re: Flower Class Corvette Detail sets You can check out the Flower Class Corvette detail sets in the June Issue of Internet Modeller. The SIRMAR and DAVID PARKINS (the new ones) are compared. Yours truly wrote the review! Cheers, Kerry Jang -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: BIBSASS2019@cs.com Subject: The Enemy Below (Robert Mitchum flick) Made in 1957, us old salts I'm sure remember this one. The younger crowd probably doesn't, or are not even aware of it. Was at Wal Mart last night shopping for goodies for my new Dodge 4X4 when I ran across it in the video section priced at just $6.44!! Needless to say, I scooped it up promptly, went home, and had a very enjoyable 98 minutes viewing it. Lots of good stuff there to see. Very suspenseful movie if viewed for the first time. High quality production. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "A. H. Lindstrom" Subject: Re: Samek Questions I have quite a few Samek kits, and in my opinion, their kits released in the past couple of years are as good as anyone's 1/700 resin kits. Alan Lindstrom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Ed Grune Subject: Kronprinz Wilhelm/USS VonSteuben Hello SMMLies: I was looking around through the Ellis Island records site (ellisislandrecords.org) and I came across a listing for an Ed Grune, a US Citizen and his wife Emilie. They returned from across the pond on the Kronprinz Wilhelm in 1910. (There, that will tell some folks who think I'm a new guy here!). I see a lot of other given names of the same surname that I recognize from talking with the family. They traveled on ships ranging from the President Grant to the Mauretania. The dates range 1898 to the 1920's. The site has some information on the Kronprinz that I could relate to: "Built by A/G Vulcan Shipyard, Stettin, Germany, 1901. 14,908 gross tons; 664 (bp) feet long; 66 feet wide. Steam quadruple expansion engines, twin screw. Service speed 22 knots. 1,761 passengers (367 first class, 340 second class, 1,054 third class). Built for North German Lloyd, German flag, in 1901 and named Kronprinz Wilhelm. Bremerhaven-New York service. Refitted as an auxiliary cruiser in 1914; sank 15 ships. Interned 1915. Seized by the United States Government, American flag, in 1915 and renamed USS Von Steuben. Laid up in 1919. Scrapped in 1923." I'm familiar with the USS VonSteuben. I've seen a photo of her in her US WWI wartime paint. She had a 4-pipe destroyer painted on her side. She was interesting for that. Now I have an additional reason for wanting to build her. 1) Does anybody have a copy of the VonSteuben picture with the painted destroyer? 2) Does anybody have any idea on where I could locate some plans for the Kronprinz/VonSteuben? I doubt if A/G Vulcan still exists, or if it does if their records still exist from 1901. Any suggestions? Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Corvette models Bill Michaels was looking for sources for photo etch parts for the Revell 1/72 Flower Class Corvette kit. Simar does make some detail sets for this model. Also, David Parkins does now produce a variety of sets for this model to the point that if you get all his detail sets all you use of the kit is the hull, rudder and stack (and that is wrapped with a photo etch piece). I have misplaced my listing of the web sites for these two producers. Sorry. Here is a web site of a how to for the conversion to R/C that is very well done. http://members.home.net/vmss/tips/flower.html Hope this helps. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Denis Keegan" Subject: DJ Parkins Great Little Ships detail Sets The FULL set of detail sets for the Corvette are illustrated on David's web site at www.djparkins.com Some of the sets have been reviewed in Internet Modeler and Small Warships and i understand a full review is to be given on another site this month. These sets provide EVERYTHING you will need to super detail the RG Corvette. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: 1/72 Flower class corvette fittings Bill Michaels wonders where he can find fittings for the Revell of Germany 1/72 scale kit of the Flower class corvette. David J. Parkins makes quite a line of resin and brass accessories as you surmise, Bill, and from the look of his Web site, he is still producing these. http://www.djparkins.clara.net/gls/glsmast.htm There are two reviews on the SMML Web site of his products: 20mm Oerlikon guns and ship's boats. Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild Tin Can Sailors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: URL please for HR fittings? Hi; Subject says it all. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister http://www.egroups.com/group/WoodenWalls Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Exmouth Hi all Exmouth went down of Tarbett Ness, Moray Firth on 21 January 1940. She was torpedoed by U22 and was lost with all hands. With regard to British destroyer decks, this was a bit more complex. Various coverings and solutions were tried on different ships, corticene and semtex being just two. Both semtex and corticene were from a range of six or so rubber-based fittings available pre-war. Another coating introduced before the war was wundergrip though this was found to get slippery when even the slightest trace of water or oil collected on it! Coconut matting and a petrol/black lead mixture were also used at one time. Mostly during the war decks were painted grey, even over coverings but as an exception destroyers operating in the Mediterranean in 1943 had their decks painted red lead to aid recognition from wandering allied aircraft. Any coating such as semetex or corticene was also grey. Non slip paint was also used but this was thick and added top weight and was frowned upon to some extent. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: HMCS Wetaskiwin I am rapidly approaching the moment when I need to decide just which ship my Revell Flower will be. I was going to do Jonquil, but since I scratchbuilt a 126 piece hedgehog and Jonquil doesn't have one fitted on the cover of the Ensign volume, that idea is on hold. Therefore I may as well do an RCN Flower with its cool gunshield artwork .. and the coolest of all is that carried by HMCS Wetaskiwin. I have the artwork drawn up and my new ALPS printer just needs a new SCSI cable to try it out. However I am in need of a photo showing the pattern worn by 'Wet Ass Queen' after her focsle extension. Does anyone know of any shots showing her in this configuration? Regards, Bob Pearson View my corvette illustrations at http://members.nbci.com/profileart/non-av/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: July Internet Modeler Greetings all, The July Internet Modeler is up. This time we have an article on the WEM 1/350 Ton Class Minehunter by Felix Bustelo, and the WEM 1/700 HMS Chester by Dr. Kerry Jang. There are also inbox reviews of the 1/700 B-Resina HMS Hero and Type I/II Hunts, ISW 1/350 Hunt and the 1/700 AFV Club Knox class frigate. Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Christopher Decker" Subject: Yet another NM special HMCS Snowberry All: Thanks to Bill Michaels for the review of the new Revell Flower Class Corvette. If anyone is interested in tackling this beautiful model, Nauticus Models can offer for the unbeatable price of $64.99, plus shipping at cost to your location. Feel free to email me directly if you are interested. cdecker@nauticusmodels.com Chris Decker President NauticusModels.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Re: Revell Midway class carrier Revell & GMM have it listed in the 1/540 realm. Goto 540-6 on this link on our site to see the actual etching. http://www.modelshipbuilding.com/gmm.htm Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Re: Lindberg Tug Pics From our site here are some pics of the Lindberg Tug in real life. http://www.modelshipbuilding.com/gmm.htm Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Re: Revell Corvette and Great Little Ships >> Does anyone have a source for detail kits/fittings upgrades designed to be used with the 1/72 Revell Flower Corvette? I know that David Parkins used to make some fitting for the old Matchbox kit, but I understood them to be OOP now. Bill Michaels << We have been working with a fellow SMMLie from British Columbia, Canada to produce an in-depth Revell Flower class and Great Little Ships accessory review in the Autumn issue of Model Ship Journal. I have personally examined the sets from Great Little Ships, thanks to our Canadian friend who wishes to remain anonymous--without him, our budget would have never allowed for a full appraisal of the GLS line for the Revell kit. The PE sets by David Parkins, who emphatically states they should be referred to as GREAT LITTLE SHIPS products (as that is the name of his company) are definitely still available and shown on his website. Our Canadian contact just sent us scans of the brass decks and his recently purchased parts are nothing short of outstanding. If you can afford the full range of Great Little Ships Photo Etch parts, buy all that you can afford, you'll have gotten every penny's worth. The sets include what amounts to a whole new kit as most of the Revell parts, save the hull, are replaced by finely finished brass details and superstructure components. The GLS website also lists upcoming products for the Airfix Vosper MTB and RAF Rescue launch as well as a resin replacement stern for the Revell Flower class that allows for modifying the hull in that area so you can do either the round or squared variants. This is obviously the work of a man who has an eye for accurate detail and appreciates a fine model. Other than having an interest in the heroic Flower class in all its guises and an appreciation for those who put much of their lives into commemorating these fine escorts, we have no other interest or gain in promoting Revell or Great Little Ships products. Best Regards, Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume