Subject: SMML VOL 1320 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:45:04 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: USN buildings 2: Re: Armoured conning towers 3: Review no.2 4: Book: Warship Boneyards 5: Read the rules before entering 6: Re: OKC head Ship judge 7: Re: Armoured conning towers 8: Re: Couple of answers 9: Pensacola / Salt Lake City 10: Yamaoto decks 11: Re: RN "O" Class destroyers 12: Water cooled 50 cal on US BB 13: Nichimo Hiryu 14: Re: English books on warship design 15: English books on warship design 16: Re: Subject: Pensacola / Salt Lake City -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: GMM 1/350 Arizona set 2: NEW MODELS! ARIZONA + 1/700 resin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: USN buildings >> What colors were USN buildings (like the Skywave kits) during WWII? << Gray, with Gray trim << Guess I was a bit short that day, but gray does it. You can spice them up a bit by making the roofs black and the windows a gloss black, an even give the gray a wash of darker gray, and a dry-brush of lighter gray, to bring out detail. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: Armoured conning towers >> Usally this where the Captain would run the ship in a battle. My best guess for the Americans it seem to start with the South Carolina BB-26. Which would be about the same time as HMS Dreadnought entered service. << BB-1, 2, and 3 all had armored conning towers built into the base of the military mast. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Review no.2 W.W Arbuzow "Armoured cruiser Admiral Nahimov" published in "Warships of the World" series in Sankt-Peterburg in year 2000. Now this is a very strange book indeed. If you are after factual data, this is a book for you... Apart from the very complete list of ship's techical details, armour and armament it contains a wealth of info about concept behind ship's construction, the construction itself, the launch and fitting out process. Because Admiral Nahimov was first Russian ship fitted with electric lighting there are 3 pages dedicated just to this topic with 9 illustarations of various light fittings. What follows is an almost day by day account of ship's service from 1888 to the Russo-Japanese War, full list of officers on board the ship in 1887 AND in 1894, details about first and second reconstruction and finally the round the world trip to reinforce the Pacific Fleet, the role played by the ship in Tsushima battle and the surrender and scuttling during the night after the battle. The photographic content of the book is no too bad either. Apart from 16 double pages dedicated solely to photographs (most of them of good quality) there are numerous other photos scattered throuout the text. Where (IMO) the book dissapoints is the plans and dravings department. It contains only builders drawings of inboard view, top deck view, comprehensive set of hull lines, traverse section amidships, half plan of battery deck, plenty of light fittings details, barbettes and armoured hood drawings. It is impossible to build a model of the ship based on just this publication,there is no side view no details about masts and rigging in the older versions and no details,except for photos, about the final appearance of the ship. I have the given this book a score of 6 out of 10 points. If you have "Morskaja Kollekcja" no.2/1995 ,also dealing with "Admiral Nakhimov", you will be much better of if you plan to build or detail a model of this ship. The publication cost 15 US dollars (+P&P) and is availlable throu the aviapress. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Book: Warship Boneyards "Warship Boneyards" is the title of a recent book by Kit & Carolyn Bonner. A fascinating look at the history of the US Navy's inactive fleets, and far superior to a similar book that came out about a year ago. The book is organized into the following chapters: 1 - The Warship Boneyard: Origins and Overview 2 - Early Reserve Fleets: 1800-1860 3 - The American Civil War: 1861-1865 4 - The Spanish American War: 1898 5 - World War I: 1914-1918 6 - World War II: 1941-1945 7 - Disposition of Postwar Ships: A Naval Giant is Put to Sleep 8 - The Korean Conflict & Vietnam War: 1950-1975 9 - The Next Millenium: 1975-2000 10 - The Future of the Warship Boneyard: 2000 and Beyond The paperback is heavily illustrated - about 200 photos and graphics in a 128 page book. Includes an extensive bibliography and index. Published by MBI Publishing (ISBN 0-7603-0870-5). www.motorbooks.com Price is US$19.95 A few of us recently toured the mothball fleet at Philadelphia, where about 30 vessels - ranging from an aircraft carrier (ex-AMERICA, CV-66) to little WW2 vintage yard oilers - are in storage. The Bonner book covers the facilities at Philadelphia, Norfolk, Bremerton and Suisun Bay, but not Pearl Harbor. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Read the rules before entering >> Upon further reflection, I think we need to include ships were metal was cut in the ship categories. Would you like to face the irate model builder who built a 1/144 CVA-58 and had it moved to a category where it lost to an airplane when it was clearly the best ship around? << I would have no problem whatsoever facing down anyone (irate or not) if my decision was supported by the rules of the contest. We publish these rules well in advance of the Nationals every year. If the modeler doesn't read the rules, it's their loss. If they don't agree with the rules, they don't have to enter. Either way we can't change the rules on the day of the contest because IPMS/USA rules are governed (basically) by Roberts Rules. Any rule changes must be made well in advance of the contest and in print. Rusty White 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: OKC head Ship judge >> BTW, will you be head ship judge at OKC? Seems to me you'll be way to busy to do it. << I'll appoint someone to stand in for me at the OKC National Convention in 2003. Rusty White 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Re: Armoured conning towers Craig: The earliest mention that I can find of conning towers is on the Belleisle class armored rams (Belleisle and Orion) of the Royal Navy launched in 1876 and 1879 respectively (they had 9 inch armor).The pilot house of the USS Monitor was a conning tower of sorts and was made up of 9 inch thick iron blocks with a 3 inch iron glacis later added around it. Almost all armored ships (turret ships, battleships, and armored cruisers) constructed after 1880 have conning towers. Kevin W. Woodruff http://pages.prodigy.net/cierpke/woodruff.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Couple of answers Re: Craig R Bennett/Armoured conning towers >> Can any one tell when Battleships began to built with armored conning towers. Usally this where the Captain would run the ship in a battle. My best guess for the Americans it seem to start with the South Carolina BB-26. << They started building them quite a bit earlier Craig. Both Union and Confederate ironclads were equipped with armuored conning towers during ACW. In particular case of a battlesip I can trace it as far back as British build "Devastation" (1873) but I'm not at all sure if she was the first battleship so equipped. Re G.C.I. Hargreaves/Boats, Guns & Bits. Looks to me like sprues included in SealModels 1/700 "Mikasa" kit, the only addition seems to be a Russian and British ensigns. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Pensacola / Salt Lake City Roger: The Pensacola class had three-bladed screws on the four shafts Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject: Yamaoto decks Someone commented on this list a while back that Yamato's wood decks were painted black for her final sortie in 1945. Is this correct? It is fairly well documented that her wooden decks were left unpainted during most of her existence, and almost all Japanese photographs and depictions (except the recent Tamiya 1/700 box art) show holystoned wood. I wonder if these black wooden decks might be a misreading of Ensign Yoshida's comment in Requiem for Battleship Yamato that the asphalt covered aircraft handling area of the main deck aft was "jet black"? If not, what is the evidence in support of the black deck theory? It would be fun to do a Yamato in this unusual scheme, but I'd like to be reasonably sure it is accurate. Thanks. Tim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Simon Wolff" Subject: Re: RN "O" Class destroyers Hi you all... Mitsuaki Kubota wrote: >> I had built HMS Onslaught from the kit some years ago. http://www.hig.tocolo.or.jp/hmdock/ships/ons.html << Mitsuaki's site is well worth visiting as he has a wonderful model of HMAS Canberra and HMS Warspite and other excellent models, wish I could read Japanese as I would love to know how it was built. That is one excellent Canberra looking Canberra.. bloody well done! Simon Wolff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: ZMzimmerman@cs.com Subject: Water cooled 50 cal on US BB On page 18 and 19 of Technical Reference I on the USS North Carolina by the Oxford Museum Press. Has some good views of the 50 cal mounts. Michael Zimmerman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Nichimo Hiryu The other day I stumbled across a listing for a 1/500th scale Hiryu from a company named Nichimo. I was thinking this would be a good companion for the old Revell Yorktown kit; the scales are close. Does anyone have any input on the quality of the kit? I'm not looking for a masterpiece, just something I can build in a shorter amount of time than usual and have it look presentable. A little break from the resin and superglue fumes, if you will. Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Masashi Ito Subject: Re: English books on warship design Thank you for your great information, D. Przezdziecki (no problem with calling me Ito, by the way; oh, also, I was fascinated by your posting on the Russian book about Tsesarevitch, which is one of my favorite pre-dreadnoughts) and Leslie Brown! While the books suggested would be definitely of great interest (thank you very much, again), as D. Przezdziecki said, I should have been more specific... My initial hope was that there might be (at least) one book or an article which compares the battleship design of several navies from early last century through WWII! I am particularly concerned with (differences in) each navy's concept with regard to armor, armaments, and fire-controlling systems and how such a concept and therefore design evolved, affected by each other... Of course, detailed account for a particular country is great, and now that I've known the references on British ships, are there any English books on the design of US and/or Japanese (battle)ships from, say, the interwar period through WWII? Any suggestion is appreciated! Thank you in advance, Masashi ITO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: English books on warship design Masashi Ito seeks English books on warship design. If you are looking for books in the English language, as opposed to books about English ships, then I recommend the following: "Battleship Design and Development 1905-1945" by Norman Friedman, Mayflower Books, 1978 "Modern Warship Design and Development", Friedman, Mayflower Books, 1979 "Naval Weapons of World War Two" by John Campbell, US Naval Institute (USNI) Press, 1985 "US Naval Weapons", Friedman, USNI Press, 1982 "Naval Radar", Friedman, USNI Press, 1981 "Battleships - United States Battleships in World War II" by Robert Dulin & William Garzke, USNI Press, 1976 "Battleships - Allied Battleships in World War II", Garzke & Dulin, 1980 "Battleships - Axis & Neutral Battleships in World War II", Garzke & Dulin, USNI Press, 1985 I hope these help. Rick Heinbaugh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Pensacola / Salt Lake City >> I have a small technical question for the collective brain powers of the group. How many blades were on the propellers that the Pensacola (CA-24 / Salt Lake City (CA-25) used, was it three or four? << THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Loren Perry Subject: GMM 1/350 Arizona set Gold Medal Models' new photoetched detail set for the 1/350 scale Banner USS Arizona plastic kit is now in stock and shipping has begun to both dealers and individual customers. Price is $40.00 plus shipping - (see the GMM web page for ordering information: www.goldmm.com) The set provides parts for modelers building the kit in any one of three ways: as she appeared in the 1930's, as she appeared on Dec. 7, 1941, and as her sistership Pennsylvania appeared in late 1941 through early 1942. Order stock number 350-25. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Bill Gruner Subject: NEW MODELS! ARIZONA + 1/700 resin We will have the new 1/350 Banner plastic kit of USS Arizona in stock probably by the end of next week. This first batch will be airshipped, and the price will be $30.00 + shipping. The next batch will be coming by surface and the price will drop to $25.00, but they won't be here for probably 3-4 more weeks. Also we will be getting both the Tom's Modelworks and Loren Perry's Gold Medal Models photoetch sets for these kits in the next couple of weeks. On our upcoming July UPDATE we will be offering a special package deal for the Banner kit and either of the 2 new photoetch sets. Normal price on the photoetch sets will be $20.00 for the Tom's Modelworks set ('41 version), and $40.00 for the GMM set (1930's, 1941 and Pennsylvania versions). Take $5.00 off for a package of the kit + either of the 2 PE sets. We just got in stock our 1st shipment of 1/700 scale H-P resin kits from Germany, and were pleasantly surprised by the quality, the ones we inspected seem very nice. We have the following in stock: 1. German BB Schleswig-Holstein (1939)....$46.00 2. German Merchant Raider Pinguin (WW 2)...52.00 3. German Merchant Raider Orion (WW 2)...46.00 4. German Merchant Raider Atlantis (WW 2)...52.00 5. German Night Fighter Director Ship Togo (WW 2)...60.00 6. German Schnellboot Tender Tsingtao (WW 2)...35.00 7. USN Battleship Arizona (1941)....110.00 8. USN Battleship Pennsylvania (1943)....110.00 9. USN Battleship Mississippi (1945)....110.00 10. USN Battleship California (1944)....110.00 All prices + shipping. I have about 5 of each H-P kit in stock. Please call or fax as I am currently overwhelmed with e-mail; by the time I get your message replied to these will probably all be gone.... first come, first served, although I will be ordering more and will accept backorders. The NNT modern IOWA class should be here in a day or 2; JAG Sumner FRAM, CGN California and standard USCG Hamiltons likewise. Modelwerks Newport LSTs are in stock. (All of these are 1/700 resin). We also got in a huge shipment of Combrig resin 1/700 kits directly from Russia; I believe we now have close to 100% stock of their entire line. They will be listed in the new July UPDATE. Prices will be significantly reduced as we are now getting them directly from Combrig. I think their new Sverdlov and Chapyaev class cruisers are in this shipment. Thank you, Bill Gruner Pacific Front Hobbies 541-464-8579 fax: 541-957-5477 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume