Subject: SMML VOL 1321 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:26:29 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Daring & other schemes 2: Nichimo Hiryu 3: Re: Read the rules before entering 4: Index 5: Re: Armoured conning towers 6: Nichimo Hiryu 7: Re: Armoured conning towers 8: I can't make a decision!!! 9: Re: Armoured conning towers (correction) 10: Re: Nationals Ship Categories 11: Re: "Real Ships" 12: Enterprise CV-6 assistance 13: Re: Yamato decks 14: HMS "Blackthorne" 15: Revell ARKONA 16: British Warships Scale Plans 17: Gambier Bay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "M & R Brown" Subject: Re: Daring & other schemes In the early 1950s, the RN used AP507C as their hull colour for which there is no Humbrol colour but no doubt will be one of the first White Ensign colours issued. I'd wait for that. There is also no Humbrol colour for the decks, Humbrol's deck colour is wrong, it should be BS4800 14C39 for which Chris Rogers posted a formula to mix from Humbrol's Deck green on the site a little while ago. If you can't find it, he might be nice and repost it! If you want the late 1950s, the colour was Light Admiralty Grey, again no Humbrol colour but Phoenix paints do it starting at 125 mls size. Michael Brown Task Force 72 ps Thought of building one in 1/72 scale? More scope for detaile!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Allanparry Subject: Nichimo Hiryu Nichimo have four 1/500 IJN CV kits - Akagi, Shokaku, Zuikaku and Hiryu. They all build into very good models. If you add the GMM 1/500 IJN CV photo-etch, you can make an even better Hiryu. The kit comes with a set of aircraft and also flight deck decals. Allan P Liverpool UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: AAA Hobby Supply Subject: Re: Read the rules before entering >> I would have no problem whatsoever facing down anyone (irate or not) if my decision was supported by the rules of the contest. We publish these rules well in advance of the Nationals every year. If the modeler doesn't read the rules, it's their loss. If they don't agree with the rules, they don't have to enter. Either way we can't change the rules on the day of the contest because IPMS/USA rules are governed (basically) by Roberts Rules. Any rule changes must be made well in advance of the contest and in print. << Are you for or against changing the category and/or the rules? One post leans for, then the next is against. "the only thing found in the middle of the road is dead animals and Moderates" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "James Hathaway" Subject: Index This site has some info on the search for HMAS Sydney and KM Kormoran. http://www.albury.net.au/~kipl/ Jim Hathaway -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Re: Armoured conning towers The HMS Warrior has an armoured conning tower. Commissioned in 1860 would make here one of the oldest, I believe. Best regards, Duane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "T. Stephen Rogers" Subject: Nichimo Hiryu >> The other day I stumbled across a listing for a 1/500th scale Hiryu from a company named Nichimo. I was thinking this would be a good companion for the old Revell Yorktown kit; the scales are close. Does anyone have any input on the quality of the kit? I'm not looking for a masterpiece, just something I can build in a shorter amount of time than usual and have it look presentable. A little break from the resin and superglue fumes, if you will. The 1/500 series Nichimo kits are quite nice, especially the CV's...I can't vouch for the Revell kit however. Recommend the 1/500 GMM IJN detail sets, it really gives them snap! Does anyone know what happened to the Tom's Modelworks 1921 Arizona and can the new Banner kit easily be backdated to that era? What is the possibility of using the Tom's brass to backdate...cage masts, etc? Tom could have a new market for an older product line component! Steve Rogers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Re: Armoured conning towers Craig: It is true that many ships did not have conning towers. But I specifically stated that, "Almost all armored ships (turret ships, battleships, and armored cruisers) constructed after1880 have conning towers." I specifically denoted what ships did have them. Many protected cruisers, gunboats, and patrol craft did not. The USS Olympia DID have a conning tower; in fact a whole webpage is dedicated to it at . You can go and look at the pictures of it inside and out at this location. It is underneath and forward of the pilot house. This was Captain Charles Vernon Gridley's station at the Battle of Manila Bay. Commodore Dewey was on top of the pilot house and on the flying bridge that was mounted over the conning tower. I've not visited it, but I have studied this ship (blueprints) for over 25 years. Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Keith Butterley Subject: I can't make a decision!!! Hi all, Ok I am starting come down with a serious case of AMS. I have even started to (GASP) scratch-build! I am building two 350 Tamiya Fletchers (Fletcher and La Vallette 1942) for my "Moon over Guadacanal" dio. Even though I sit here surrounded by countless books filled with pictures, I feel the need to KNOW MORE!!! So here is my dilemma. I want to decorate the decks and bulkheads, because I feel in this scale they just look to bare, they need something. I went to the Floating Drydcok to check out their plans, but there are a number of Fletcher plans, and I don't know which one(s) to buy. Can somebody point me to which plan(s) would best suit my needs? My summer issue of MSJ came yesterday and Loren Perry's build article on the Charles Ausburne was the final straw that pushed me over the edge. TIA Keith Butterley warshipbooks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Re: Armoured conning towers (correction) In doing further research on Craig's question concerning armored conning towers, I've found that the HMS Royal Sovereign was given a conning tower when it was converted into a coast defense turret ship in 1862, lauched in 1857, and finally completed in 1864. The armor was 5 1/2 inches of iron. It originally a 121-gun three decker laid down in 1849. She was a four-turret ship with three single gun turrets and one double gun turret. The HMS Prince Albert (lauched in 1864 and completed in 1866) was another candidate as that she was designed first but construction was delayed. She had an unarmored conning tower however. Kevin W. Woodruff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Nationals Ship Categories Hi, Just wondering - what category at the Nationals would the Delphis 1/700 Aquila go into? Or, if someone modified a Tamiya or Italeri Hood into her projected reconstruction (with new bridge, secondary turrets, etc.), what category would it go into? I would hope neither would go into a non-ship category like "Hypotheticals." Thanks! Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Hank Lapa" Subject: Re: "Real Ships" Rusty, To me, this is an exercise in logic which boils down to: 1 - Real Ships (built or unbuilt) 2 - Everything else Think about it. Don't know if that'd require a rules change, but USS Montana (or Republic XF-103, for that matter) shouldn't have to be lumped with stuff from Dune, etc. Hank -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Harold Stockton" Subject: Enterprise CV-6 assistance I decided to build a quick model of the "Big E" from the Tamiya 1/700 scale kit. There in lies the rub, I cannot seem to build a "quick" model from this kit as it represents the "E" in a number of different stages of her life and also suffers from being a "generic" Yorktown class with all of the faults of mass production from a single mold. There may be some of you out there that are already laughing at me for being so picky, but details make of break a model to today's standards of finish. As I also build aircraft, Russian jets, I would never live it down if I placed a Soviet KK-1 ejection seat into a MiG-19 when I know that this aircraft used a KK-2 seat. So, I need some assistance in finding out some details for my CV-6 model project. I want to build her in her Measure 4Ab dazzle pattern as I will build the Yorktown in her Measure 21 Navy Blue scheme and the Hornet in her three gray "splotches." I intend to paint the "E" in her June '44 scheme so that I can use four of the kits VF(N)-101 F4U-2(N) Corsairs on her flightdeck with their radar pods on their starboard wings. This will allow me to show her at the time of the Kamikaze attack and when she was used as a night carrier. When the "E" left Pearl in August '44 she had a new reworked bridge structure, 40mm mounts, and a slightly reworked radio and radar suite; CXAM-1, SG, SG-1, and FD on her Mk.37 fire control directors. By the time of the June '44 Kamikaze attack, there was a radio or radar hut that had been built just in front of the forward flightdeck quad 40mm guntub. When was this fixture added, and was it for directing the night fighter operations of the VF(N)-101 Corsairs. I need to add this item as it is a significant addition to the flightdeck details. Also, for anyone building this particular kit of the "E", the island structure represents the pre-August '44 bridge and island structure with the Pre-Fly and signals bridge further back from the main bridge area. Besides investing in a number of WEM pe and resin sets to correct the horrible blobs of weapons and other items present in the kit, a lot of scratch building will have to be done in order to correct the "generic" look of a number of other items on this kit. Thanks ahead of time for any assistance. So much for a quick built kit. Oh well, I only paid $7.98 for the kit when it was new. Harold Stockton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "WEM" Subject: Re: Yamato decks Hi Tim, According to a Japanese website (and I'm on the wrong computer at the moment to dig up the address), YAMATO's wood decks were stained--not painted--black for her final sortie to Okinawa. The gentleman who has the site has done his homework, and IIRC even has formulation data for IJN paints. Take a look at the aerial photos of her under attack and you'll see that the wood decks are quite dark--certainly NOT holystoned hinoki cypress. Cheers, John Snyder (Last day in Reno--back to beautiful Herefordshire tomorrow) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Boatbldr" Subject: HMS "Blackthorne" Hi Is the builder of the "Blackthorne" Flower Class Corvette as entered recently at IPMS on this list? regards Boatbldr -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Boatbldr" Subject: Revell ARKONA Lost the email address, so please forgive me for posting here. Could the gentleman looking for the floor plan of the cabin of the Revell ARKONA (or Berlin, or Hermann Helms etc) please contact me. I have a rough sketch of it.... regards Boatbldr -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: SAMI ARIM Subject: British Warships Scale Plans Hello all, I was fortunate enough to locate a book that I think is a rare one. It is a folio of auhtentic scale plans of the British warships of the Second World War by Alan Raven and John Roberts. This 10 1/2 by 14 1/2 inch hardcover book is printed in 1971 and in spinal bound format and includes super foldout plans of the following warships: Rodney, Royal Oak, Warspite Renown, Repulse, Ajax, London, Manchester, Sussex, Ariadne, Onslow and Lance. Does anyone know if this book is part of a series of books and more was printed, or it is a single publication? Regards Sami Arim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Gambier Bay Hi SMMLies, Without doing further personal research work I thought I'd ask. The Commencement Bay CVE, the prop shafts on the Blue Water Navy kit show them as exposed with a strut holding them in place. The 1:72 scale model on the Steelnavy web show them in shaft bossing. Also the ATS book by Al Ross show them both ways. So which one is correct? a (V) strut or enclosed shaft in a bossing? Thank you, Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume