Subject: SMML VOL 1324 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:53:08 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Doyusha 1/250 Shinano 2: Re: Hypotheticals 3: Re: decals for wooden decks? 4: FW: Skien Modelleverks of Norway 5: British Warship Plans 6: Scratchbuilt 7: Open letter to the SMML 8: HMS Blackthorne 9: 1/350 parts 10: Re: Nationals Ship Categories 11: Lindberg LSD modeling tips needed 12: Re: Sub Info 13: Rigging Material Sizes 14: Tribal Class Destroyers WW11 Model 15: Re: Heller Victory 16: Re: Enterprise C V-6 Assistance 17: Re: Yamato Decks 18: Casablanca/Commencement Bay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Washington/BC miniCON -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Timothy Dike" Subject: Re: Doyusha 1/250 Shinano >> can anyone give me any comments on this kit? I'm considering to buy one by mail order, since in Italy I couldn't find it, and I've never had a chance to look "inside the box". << Enrico, We will have a review that Noel Carpio and Jun Villalon wrote posted on ModelWarships.com. The review is a buildup one and doesn't show box contents, but they give a good idea of what you get with the kit, and what you will have to do to it to get it to look like something. I think most would agree that it's not a great kit, but it does provide a base for you to build on. Like any kit it is what you make out of it. Timothy Dike Webmaster and Editor ModelWarships.com http://www.modelwarships.com/index1.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: AAA Hobby Supply Subject: Re: Hypotheticals >> I wonder, though, shouldn't "Scratchbuilt, any type or scale" or "Diorama" include hypotheticals, even under current rules? The work and research involved in doing that USS United States put it more in common with other scratchbuilt ships than with a kit built hypothetical. << Nope, it would go into 821 - hypothetical, scratchbuilt or kitbash Unless one reads the rules under a certain way and decides that since the keel was laid, it made it "off the drawing board" - one of the criteria for the category. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: VONJERSEY@aol.com Subject: Re: decals for wooden decks? >> Just a dumb question, but why hasn`t someone come out with decals for wooden decks? If it works for WW1 German lozenge camo why not a 1/700 BB teak deck? << Try www.titanicmodel.com i have seen decals for the decks of titanic models, they may be useful for your purposes, or you may be able to contact the vendor for a custom set -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: FW: Skien Modelleverks of Norway Can someone out there help this fellow modeler? I've never heard of this company myself. >> Do you have any info about the modelmaking company listed above?? I am having great difficulty finding them via a website and wondered if you could redirect me...any help would be appreciated. thank you, Steven Holmes modelmaker << Joe Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: British Warship Plans The plans book 'British Warships of the Second World War' by Raven & Roberts was published by Conway Maritime Press back in 1971. Although this was a 'one-off' as regards British warships, there was also a volume by the same publisher for those interested in German warships, entitled 'German Warships of the Second World War'. This was published in 1968, the drawings being smaller in size but still very useful. 'Royal Navy Warship Drawings' by Norman A Ough was published by Neptune Publications in 1975, and here the drawings were simply reductions of the author's plans already available from other sources, reduced to fit A4 paper, except that for HMS Warspite which was on A3. Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Scratchbuilt I have a question to throw in the pot while categories are being discussed. It may or may not be in the official category, but can be a matter of informal discussion. Just what is meant by the term "Scratch built"? I know of some professional modelers who do indeed make everything except chain, including decals. I myself am working on a 1:48 scale model on which I purchase anchors, bollards, chains, cowl ventilaters, guns, cleats, running lights, propellers, ship's wheel, etc., the stuff found in most vendors' parts section of the catalog. The hull is hand carved, as is the deck superstructure, masts, rigging, etc. I make, or locate, or procure, or adapt, and install everything. There is no kit or instructions involved, although I do use plans and photos where I can. Is there a "category" called semi-scratch? I am reluctant to identify myself as a scratch builder when I see the lengths to which the (in my opinion) real scratch builders go, but feel that there is a little more to what I do than what is required from kit builders, with the possible exception of kit-bashers. This is submitted in all innocence, and enlightening comments will be appreciated. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Open letter to the SMML To Shane and all subscribers of the SMML, I would like to put forth a proposal. I would propose that there be a mandatory rule to sign your posting with your REAL, full name, or your post cannot be posted in this forum. I have seen many postings on this news group where some posters do not sign their name to the post sent in. That person may also use some sort of e-mail address that also does not give us a clue as to who we are dealing with. My reasons are that I would like to know all the members by name. Also, I believe this may prevent some of the postings that start bickering, as sometimes people hide behind the keyboard. One recent example; AAA Hobbies. I am not trying to single this person out, this is merely an example. Who is this person? I would like to know. I am not saying that he is doing this on purpose, maybe he has just gotten in to a habit of doing it that way. I would like all of us to sign our postings so that we all know with whom we are reading, posting, and basically conversing. What do you all think about this proposal? Please post your thoughts to the SMML. Steve Wiper www.classicwarships.com Hi all, Steve raises some valid points, in that yes, it would be polite to sign off your emails with your name etc. However, since each post has the poster's email address in it, that is one major form of identification. While it's nice to know everyone's name there may be valid reasons as to why a subscriber prefers to keep his/her anonymity. I would be hesitant to enforce a rule of returning posts just because someone either forgot or doesn't want to sign their name. While this may not be to everyone's taste, you can always address a reply to the unsigned post using their email address eg "Hi a@y.com" and even enquire after their name if you like. SMML already has rules in place (see the website), that are meant to make both my job easier & ensure that everyone gets a fair go. Just as in the real world however it is up to each individual to choose their preferred modes of address. To be perfectly blunt, even if this rule was to be approved, it would still not guarantee that the poster would use his/her real name anyway. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: andy vu Subject: HMS Blackthorne Dear SMML: The HMS Blackthorne at the IPMS/USA Convention is outstanding. What after-market products are used to make it? It looks like a real ship, not a toy. Congratulations to its modeler! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "graham and melanie" Subject: 1/350 parts Hi, does anyone know where I might get: 1 1/350 porthole scuttles/eyebrows 2 1/350 quad pompoms need 2 3 radars 284 and 290. 4 Anchors. hope you can point me in the right direction. best wishes graham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Nationals Ship Categories What about the varous versions of Jules Vernes Nautilus? Would these go in hypothetical, sci-fi or submarines? Marc Flake -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Arthur Brock Subject: Lindberg LSD modeling tips needed Hi Folks, I finally found the LSD kit I've been wanting. It looks like a fairly decent & detailed model (maybe) & with some photoetch & TLC it should build up nicely. My dad served on LSD 19 USS Comstock during the 1950's & I'm building this in memory of him. (I built one in the late 70's but it has long since disappeared) Anyway, I have a couple of questions 1-Anybody got any links to some photos of LSD's? I've only found a couple on the web & I sure could use a few more. 2-What color were these ships. Looks like a very light gray & maybe a dark gray on the steel decks. (I can't tell if there are any wood decking on these ships or not) 3-Since this scales out to about 1/287, any good ideas on photoetch stuff. I noticed a couple of odd scale sets for 2 Revell ships & I thought I might could use the rails, ladders, radars and hopefully a couple of cranes from one of them. They are GMM 1/300 USCG Campbell & Eastwind and GMM 1/240 GLENCOE OREGON/REVELL OLYMPIA. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. Arthur Brock -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Sub Info >> There is an excellent book on landing craft: "Allied Landing Craft in World War II" that contains photos as well as blue prints of each craft. Does anyone know if there is a similar book on WW II submarines? << There are several submarine books that might fit this bill. The most useful, in my mind, is "The Fleet Submarine in the U.S. Navy: A Design and Construction History" by John D. Alden. Lots of photos and several drawings, including a large, pull-out line drawing of the Gato class. It also covers post-war Guppy conversions. It is currently OOP, but will be reissued in September of this year. Amazon. com has pre-orders. The Friedman book "US Submarines through 1945" also has a number of great line drawings by Jim Christley. Covers through the end of the war, and is a geat source for earlier boats such as S-boats, V-boats and B-boats, along with "pre-fleet" subs, such as Sargo and Tambor class. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "John Rule" Subject: Rigging Material Sizes George, Sorry but I can't get your math to work. A material used in modelling with an actual thickness of 0.01mm represents a thickness in 1:350 scale of 3.5mm or 0.14" or 0.011' and in 1:700 scale of 7mm or 0.14" or 0.022'. The conversion factors used are multiples of 350 or 700 for scale and successive divisors of 25.4 and 12 to get the equivalents in inches and feet respectively. Hope this helps. Sincerely, John Rule -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Ken and Gitta" Subject: Tribal Class Destroyers WW11 Model I am looking for a model of a Tribal Destroyer WW11 vintage. Does anyone know where I can look? Thanks Ken Wheat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Steve Sobieralski" Subject: Re: Heller Victory Bill Code wrote: >> The molding in the hull matchs closley the lines in Mckays Anatomy of the Ship and Longridges The Anatomy of Nelsons ships...the middle deck entry port is the only problem... << Actually, there's a bit more to it than that as the width and straight run of the boarding ladder, as well as the location of the lower deck gunport between the boarding ladder and the two parallel vertical fenders are at variance with McKay's drawings. >> As near asI can tell the model is of Victory after Trafalgar. She had temporary repairs done at Gibralter and was layed up in the midway for two years after that,,,she was then downgraded to a 2nd rate in 1808 and refit for Baltic service (this is were I think she lost her entry port) << This makes sense. Victory took a severe pounding at Trafalgar and it is likely that the exposed and relatively fragile entry port structures were severely damaged, if not completely shot away, and it may not have been thought worthwhile to replace them. However, if the kit hull is correct for this period the armament is not as, according to HMS Victory, Her Construction, Career and Restoration by Alan McGowan, she lost the 68 lb carronades on the forecastle and some of the quarterdeck 12 pounders were repaced with 32 lb carronades on slide carriages during the 1808 refit. I can't help but wonder why Heller, after going to all the trouble and expense to create a very beautiful and detailed model, and with the real ship readily available for reference, would choose to delete the entry port and substitute a questionable configuration. Perhaps a bit of French revenge? Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: wem Subject: Re: Enterprise C V-6 Assistance Harold, 1. I seem to recall that Enterprise didn't wear the dazzle scheme for too long. Better check some references to make sure she still had it at the date you want to depict. 2. Yorktown never wore Ms.21. She was lost in Ms.12, using Sea Blue 5-S and Ocean Gray 5-O. John Snyder, A.B. White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: wem Subject: Re: Yamato Decks Try the following: http://www.coma.ais.ne.jp/~watakan/eng/index.html http://www.coma.ais.ne.jp/~watakan/eng/warship/shipcol.html John Snyder, A.B. White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Robert Morris" Subject: Casablanca/Commencement Bay Keith: The shafts on Commencement Bay are in bossing. Source; general plans and docking plan. Casablanca ,not so definate. The hull lines I have show struts. Source; microfilm at National Archives. The outboard profile and the section at frame 168 in the general plans for Windham Bay suggest bossing with a strut at the prop. The plans for Gambier Bay by Tom Walkowaik show struts. Maybe both are right depending on when the ship was bult. Al Ross, can you enlighten us? Robert Morris North Benton OH USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Boatbldr" Subject: Washington/BC miniCON Calling Dave Shirlaw, Ron Hillsden, Chris Preston, Loren Perry, Victor Baca, Dr Jang, et al..... a miniCon has been proposed for September 8th in Vancouver by Bob - any chance that some of you guys can drive north of the 49th or catch the ferry boat towards the east or just walk down the street to join us? If anyone is interested please send me an email so that we can gauge the interest level... regards Boatbldr -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume