Subject: SMML VOL 1335 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:47:21 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Ships with torpedo belts 2: Invasion of bug-eyed monsters 3: Lindberg Pearl Harbor set 4: HMS Invincible 5: Safety First! 6: Mel Gibson playing an American naval captain 7: HELP! 8: Re: USS Enterprise windbreaker coat 9: Carrier bottled up in Black Sea 10: Which clear coat? 11: Seawaves Sample Copy 12: Gun Barrels 13: Airbrush tips 14: Re: Norton, just say no 15: Re: The Captain and the Shark 16: Re: Good Model Story 17: Re: Lindberg Pearl Harbor set 18: Re: minesweeper kit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Right day, wrong month... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: NNT USS Iowa 1987 2: 1/700 Texas/New York detail set for Samek kit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Ken Durling Subject: Ships with torpedo belts Hi folks - Coming out of "lurkdom" here for a quick question. Got into a discussion with someone the other day about armor "belts," and it seemed to me that I remember reading about certain ships that had a specific anti-torpedo armor belt at the waterline, not just an extension of the side armor to below the w/l. However, I couldn't remember the specific ship or type, and the other person didn't know what I was talking about. Was I making something up? Been known to happen! Thanks much Ken Durling IPMS/USS Hornet, Pres. RC9 PPSEL Just Plane Crazy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Invasion of bug-eyed monsters There seems to be epidemic of e-mail borne viruses lately. I have received 3 in 3 consecutive days. All were intercepted by totaly free program called "ZoneAlarm" from Zone Labs. There is a pro version but you have to pay for it. It also makes your computer proof to the "knocking from the outside" by creating its own firewall. I have no links with Zone Labs but members of the list on a thight budget might find the free version very usefull. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: Lindberg Pearl Harbor set Buy it! I have seen a picture of the box somewhere, or maybe it was the kit itself, but what it is is two of the infamous 1/1000-ish Lindberg Arizona kit. The second one has the middle barrel removed from turrets 2 & 3 so it represents the Nevada, so you have a sort of diorama of the upper end of Battleship Row - I don't recall any other changes to the kit. It might have berthing things - I don't remember. A VERY good kit for a 7 year old - easy to build (a toy, really - not remotely accurate) and since it shows two kits in relation to each other, it's easy to show him how they represent the real ships in the history books, and the ships in the movie. I'd get some white paint for the upperworks to represent the Ms 1 camouflage that shows in the history books photos he'll see (that'd make it more accurate than the film!) Actually I'd spray the completed ships dark gray, and let him paint the bottoms fire engine red, the decks tan, and the upperworks light gray. He'll have a ball. Oh, and these float real well in the 'ol bathtub - they're shaped like bars of soap with toothpicks on top. I know these kits are atrocious - I really can't offhand think of a worse kit than the Lindberg Arizona, and I dare anyone else to, but I have a soft spot for them - I had a Lindberg Graf Spee on my 10th birthday cake (along with a Tiger tank and a Stuka - terribly politically incorrect) and it wasn't until I saw the Arizona & Yamato that I realized it really wasn't exactly accurate! Your son will love it, and it's a good introduction to Pacific War model building (and history in general). Michael Smith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: HMS Invincible Interesting article about the battlecruiser HMS Invincible by Mike Williams in "Marine Modelling Int." August 2001. A3 pull out plan and side elevation,some superstructure details, three pages of descriptions and photos of the model. No hull lines but I have them from another source so if anybody needs them let me know. In future Mike promisses a series of articles covering the most significant British cruiser types of the WWI. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Safety First! I just wanted to share this with the modeling group on this list. When I have worked, as a carpenter, fabricator, or just on my pattern and model making, I have always worn eye protection when using any sort of power tool. I keep a couple of pairs of safety glasses hanging on the peg board in my shop. I am really glad that I am very diligent about wearing these. While grinding on a set of four bronze model propellors, one slipped out of the pliers I was holding it with and hit the right lens of the safety glasses. As I nearly jumped out of the chair, I realized that the propellor ricocheted off the far wall of the shop, 15 feet away. The glasses were cracked. The impact mark was dead center on the lens. I would have definitely lost that eye, which would have been devastating for me, as my eyes are very necessary in the business of model making and publishing that I do. So, guys and gals, wear those safety glasses whenever you use any power tolls. I sure am glad I do. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Mel Gibson playing an American naval captain Victor, For the record, Mel Gibson was born and spent the early part of his childhood in New York State. His dad won a substantial amount of prize money on the original Jeopardy (with Art Fleming as host) and the senior Gibson decided to move the entire family to Australia to start fresh and so that his sons would not be drafted into the Vietnam War. My wife is a huge Mel Gibson fan (hence my knowledge of Gibson trivia) and I am a fan too. I am sure that he will do a fine playing the role - the question will be the movie makers. BTW - congrats on Model Ship Journal's 1st Anniversary - keep up the good work. Your editorial was very touching and hit home, my Dad was a big influence on my love of maritime history and subjects. He saw many ships growing up in Havana. Regards, Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling URL: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: HELP! Hi folks, Maybe somebody out there can help me. I was spraying some Testors dullcote on a couple of models last night and the decals on my Heller Daphne sub bubbled up. When I tried to smooth them out they came off as it the melted. I through the sheet out with the other hull numbers and ship names (I thought I was done). Anybody out there have this kit, again Heller 1/400 S/M Daphne submarine, and is willing to send me the hull number and name for the Venus (or any on the sheet if the Venus is not available?) I will pay for postage - contact me off list. Thanks, Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling URL: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Michael Petersen" Subject: Re: USS Enterprise windbreaker coat >> I know this is going to be off topic, but the folks on the list have a great collective knowledge that I want to tap. I just bought an airplane and was going through it (A real Cessna 177B Cardinal, not one of those plastic ones). There was a box that the former owner left behind which had some junk, including what I though was a hood to a nylon windbreaker jacket. So I pulled it out, realized that it was a light coat, and I saw from the inside there was a patch. It was the patch for the USS Enterprise CVN-65. The design is what I believe to be the ship's crest. Around the circumference are the words USS ENTERPRISE on top, and CVN-65 on the bottom. There is a gray silhouette of the carrier with a gold E outlined over and through it. There is the standard nuclear symbol, and two hemispheres of the globe. It is the same design that Tamiya has on the box of their model. On the left breast panel on front is the name USS Enterprise embroidered in gold. The manufacturer is simply "The Warm Up." I know a lot of you were on the Big "E", and wondered if this sounds at all familiar? I honestly don't know how authentic this coat is, or if it's just a knock-off wannabe coat. << The jacket sounds like a lot of the stuff that you used to be able to buy in the ship's store. I have a couple of these type of jackets from the E. This jacket could also be purchased from the base exchange. Authentic? More than likely. Valuable? Not really. I imagine that this type of coat can still be had on the boat or at a local Exchange nearby. If it was me, I'd keep it! Mike AT2 USS Enterprise 1989-1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Carrier bottled up in Black Sea http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/national/33049_flattop28.shtml -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Whatever" Subject: Which clear coat? Hello Everyone; I'm working on finishing up my first ship and I noticed something. The paint job although very simple looks good. So I'm not sure if a ship should be finished in a clear coat and if so should it be in a dull coat? The ship is the Rodney (1/700) in early WWII years and I'm also wondering if the deck should be finished differently. I assume it doesnt matter so much in small scale and it is also personal preference but I would like to get it 'right'. Also, what about 350 scale should the deck be 'shiny' when its a wood one? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Seawaves Sample Copy http://www.seawaves.com/sample_copy.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Bruce Buchner" Subject: Gun Barrels I have a lathe that I want to play with and try to turn some gunbarrels. Does anyone know a source for basic dimensions? I'd like to do a set for SMS Koenig, USS Arizona, USS Salt Lake City and others. I've seen several books with drawings but no dimensions. Any ideas? Bruce Buchner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Airbrush tips >> 5. Clean your airbrush by running thinner through it after spraying anything. At the end of the session, clean it per manufacturers recommendation. << I spray waste into a 4 litre plastic milk container with a hole cut in its middle. Leaving the container's cap off vents the spray's over pressure from blowing the waste back onto the airbrush's direction. The walls of the container catch the waste which collects on the bottom of the container. I use water based acrylics so a container of water is always nearby for me to refill the airbrush cup until the remaining paint is cleared. I then spray dilute alcohol to dissolve the rest, sometimes using a thin soap solution. You can have a similar set up using household paint thinner for cleaning enamels. Finally I use a plug of paper tissue to wipe out the airbrush parts and the cup's outlet connector. This prevents a thin film of solvent and paint being deposited on them. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Bruce D. Rauss" Subject: Re: Norton, just say no >> I agree with you Keith. Not wanting to start an anti-Norton thread, but I got a virus just as you did about 4 months ago. After I hired a company to clean up the mess, they suggested switching to McAfee Anti Virus. They installed it for me and it picked up eight viruses Norton completely missed as well right there in the shop! Since I had McAfee installed it has picked up two viruses that came in from email. As I said, I don't want to start an anti-Norton thread. I'm sure they make a fine product. It just didn't work well for me. << Funny thing about anti virus software, what works well for one stinks for another. My experience would be "just say no to McAfee". It screwed the OS on two of my machines, was a major system resource hog, and my laptop got infected big time. Not a single problem since getting rid of it and installing Norton System Works. So, go figure!!! Of course any anti virus software is only good if we keep the virus definitions/dat files up to date.!! LOL Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Re: The Captain and the Shark >> The good news is the U.S. Navy finally exonerated the late captain of the USS Indianapolis for his role in the sinking of his ship. Now they should hang the ...tards who strung him up to dry in order to cover their own incompetence. All good things have a negative to balance it off. Mel Gibson is set to star in a new naval movie, playing the role of captain on the ill-fated USS Indianapolis. The working title is, "The Captain And The Shark." I can handle a guy from Down Under playing an American captain, but can hardly wait to see the postings when someone spies a Spruance class ship in the background. Geez-here we go again...It's gonna be another "Pearl Harbor" around here --my scrolling finger can hardly wait... << Victor, Victor, Victor... Mel is an American. His family moved to Oz when he was a kid; he grew up there, entered the movie industry there, made Mad Max there, then came back home to become a Lethal Weapon. And as for the movie, give it a chance before you condemn it. Then condemn it. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: joe.sus@att.net Subject: Re: Good Model Story Interestingly, Renwal and Revell were provided information about the Polaris subs by the Navy's Special Projects Office. At the time, they were purely concerned about deterrence, and to be deterred, your enemy has to know what you've got. In the words of Dr. Strangelove, "Vhy didn't you tell de vorld?!!" When the kit manufacturers needed to know the configuration in order to make product for the next Christmas, SPO still hadn't decided between 8 or 16 missiles per sub. Revell started first, and guessed at eight, and later had to alter their kit, too. Renwal had waited just long enough to get the number right. Rickover, however, was getting more secretive at the time. He had originally expected that reactor engineering was so self evident to a good engineer that there was no need for extreme secrecy. Thus, nuclear subs were to be exportable to NATO allies, with Canada at the top of the list. Then Rickover was given a tour of the nuclear icebreaker Lenin, and discovered the Russians had proved him wrong. So if it hadn't been for the Soviets playing the deterrence "leak" game, too, there might have been Skipjacks or Permits with maple leafs on them. Joe Suszynski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: Lindberg Pearl Harbor set Sean O'brien wrote: >> Has anyone seen the Lindberg Pearl Harbor set? It has 2 battleships that are supposed to be Arizona and the Pennsylvania (I think.) I had to tell my 7 year old maybe next time. I don't recall ever seeing these before. Are they worth getting? No one in the shop has seen one in or out of the box. My son seems to have an interest in modeling, would these be a good starter ship for him? << I suppose I'll be of the minority opinion, but I strongly believe these Lindberg "Great Moments in History" sets, especially the Pearl Harbor set, are great for very young modelers. They fit together OK (not true for ALL old molds); they have excellently done instructions, and a nice history thing to read. The box art serves as a good painting guide. True, they are not 100% (or even 71%) accurate; true, they are not well detailed. I believe the benefit a young (7-9 year old) modeler obtains from the feeling of accomplishment and success, and the memory of stuff he learned from the instruction sheet blurbs, make these a perfect subject, especially with all the current interest in Pearl Harbor. After my son at age 7 built the three Lindberg "Great Moments" sets, for several years more he composed modeling topics in that framework, thinking of a battle he read about, and looking for kits on the cheap end of the shelf to represent them. Lindberg's ex-Pyro sailing ships, as well as a bunch of other WWII ships are good for this kind of practice. For most young people, airbrushes, dead-accurate colors, rigging and photo-etch are unnecessary. Obviously, there are some youngsters, like Mary Owens, who can succeed with greater challenges, as shown at http://smmlonline.com/members/mainbrace/mary_owens/mary_owens.html, but most kids are happy with being able to duplicate the boxart. I think they're great. Go for it. Rick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: Re: minesweeper kit >> by the description, it sounds like a Lindberg kit that I have... it is motorized like the Fletcher, and has no further identification than 'Minesweeper' on the box. not being up on these vessels, I don't know if it's US or UK, or even how accurate it is. the appeal to me was the finished size and the motorizing. someday we're going to have a pond in the backyard and want to float something other than sailboats :-) << The Lindberg ( and Revell release) U.S. Minesweeper kit is a 1/125th scale ADMIRABLE Class minesweeper from WWII, the hull numbers in the kits I've seen are for USS SENTRY (AM-299). It's pretty close to the real thing, some parts are kind of "chunky", but as far as mine force subjects go, it's about the only thing available. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Right day, wrong month... Hello All, Last February I made resevations for a room in Portsmouth for the Festival of the Sea. It was a Bed and Breakfast in a prime location with a private water taxi to the HMS Warrior. I made the reservations for August 22nd thru the 27th. No worries! Until I got the telephone call at 6AM on July 23rd f4rom the Portsmouth Tourist Bureau wondering where I was. It seems that they had gotten the correct days but someone had recorded the wrong month! Skipping a lot of therapudic profanity I now find myself without a place to stay as everything for about 50 miles around Portsmouth is fully booked. Would anyone planning on attending the FotS have any leads on accomodations or be willing to share a room? Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: NNTModell@t-online.de (nnt) Subject: NNT USS Iowa 1987 H everyone out there: i just wanted to tell all of you, that the USS Iowa 1987 from NNT is out and you can have a look at our NNT-web www.nntmodell.com Norbert (NNT) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: 1/700 Texas/New York detail set for Samek kit I have been considering discontinuing 1/700 scale Texas/New York detail set for the old Viking Models Texas. However with the introduction or the new 1/700 Samek USS Texas kit, I have decided to keep it in our product line. Remember the set was designed to fit the Viking Texas, not the Samek kit. However, it should be pretty easy to adapt our set to the Samek kit. For a complete parts description, see our web site at the URL below. Also if click on the FM 350-7 icon you can see the 1/350 scale version. It's pretty close to the 1/700 scale set. The 1/700 set is not just a scaled down version of the/350 set. All the line widths were redesigned to produce razor thin detail. I sent the web master a scan of this set (FM 700-16) and it should be up very soon for everyone to see on our web site. If you wish to see it now, email me off list and I'll send you a scan. You can order the set (and all our products) from our web site. Just be sure to ask for FM 700-16 Texas/New York super set. It sells for $21.00 and that includes shipping. Rusty White Flagship Model Inc. http://okclive.com/flagship/ 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume