Subject: SMML VOL 1338 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:33:18 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: rigging sheen 2: Open letter to Bob Steinbrunn 3: Re: Removeing the sheen 4: "Sink the Bismark" 5: Re: Allan Parrys IJN Camouflage website 6: Re: Bayonet Sharpening 7: Bob Steinbrunn Killed Me 8: FineScale News - Battleship Models Needed 9: Renwal George Washington SSBN pin-up 10: Re: Highly doubtful, but I have to check 11: D&S Enterprise 12: Re: RNLI 13: UK Coastguard 14: USS Yancey (AKA-93) 15: Re: British RLNI and USCG 16: Re: Front Of The TV Hobbies 17: British Coastguard / RNLI 18: Re: Open letter 19: Re: Highly doubtful, but I have to check 20: Re: DML 1:350 USS Bunker Hill (CG-52) 21: Royal National Lifeboat Institute and HM Coastguard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: FOTS BARBEQUE ATTENDEES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Banner 1/350 Arizona 2: August Internet Modeler 3: Re: WWII Subchasers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: rigging sheen >> In reference to suggestions about using fishing lines for correctly sized lines and stays. How can I "kill" the sheen that is on such line? << Franklyn, That same can of dull kote you had will do the trick. Spray the entire completed model, it will hide any glue spots too. Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Kerry L. Jang" Subject: Open letter to Bob Steinbrunn Keith Butterley wrote... >> I use to be quite happy in my model making mediocrity... I was comfortable with a little more effort I could compete with the big boys... Then one day I bought a copy of Fine Scale Modeler and saw YOUR model. They say the primal scream that came from within me shattered windows three blocks away.... I hate you. << Keith, as a mental health professional I can prescribe some treatments that will help you. One is switch to wooden ships like me for a time, to avoid all of the competition... OH DARN! Steinbrunn did the sailing ship FAIR AMERICAN too and what a beauty.... That leaves snap fit model cars for you. Build two and call me in the morning. Kerry Jang, Ph.D. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Removeing the sheen >> In reference to suggestions about using fishing lines for correctly sized lines and stays. How can I "kill" the sheen that is on such line? << The final step on all my models is to shoot a clear, flat coat over everything. It removes sheen from rigging, super glue and any small spots I may have missed or chipped away (the ones I didn't see) on the photo etch parts. Rusty White 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: tom Subject: "Sink the Bismark" Related to the movie thread that has been going about the last few days I learned today on another list that the British actor Esmond Knight (who played the captain of the Prince of Wales in the movie "Sink the Bismark") had actually served on the Prince of Wales and was wounded in the engagement with the Bismark. He completely lost the sight in one eye and the other eye was injured during the battle. After leaving the Navy he returned to acting and had a long film career. What a great bit of casting. Tom K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Axel Wolters" Subject: Re: Allan Parrys IJN Camouflage website Hi all, I agree with Shane: Thats the understatement of the year Allan is THE IJN carrier specialist. He has done a great job! Look also for the pics of his fantastic 1:700 waterline models at www.combinedfleet.com Greetings from Axel Wolters, Moenchengladbach, Germany -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Re: Bayonet Sharpening From: "Jim Klein" >> sharpening the blade of a vintage edged weapon ruins its collector value. So don't do it. A good rule of thumb for any artifact is "leave it as you found it". If you want something to fidget with in front of the TV, try sorting a jumbo bag of M&M's by color. Unless you are seriously uncoordinated, you won't need safety glasses. << Jim I am aware of what sharpening does to collector value; but a bayonet purchased for $10 at a gun show (from a whole table of similar items) can't have much collector's value (at least not in this lifetime); however, the pleasure I receive from honing a blade while watching Highlander on video (or almost anything featuring Arnold or Bruce or Mel) outweighs the pleasures I would have from archiving old bayonets. I used to model in front of the TV, but my wife's allergies make this impossible. Until I can build an air-conditioned hobby room in the garage (living in Las Vegas, air-conditioning is not an option) with a TV/VCR (those are already in-hand, just waiting), I'll stick with the bayonets. But thanks for the insights. PS - Safety glasses are only needed when I use the bench grinder or Dremel... Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Bob Steinbrunn Killed Me Bob This is a letter from beyond the grave. I am writing this just before I hang myself with 1-1 scale dental floss (unwaxed). My FineScale Modeler just arrived; when I saw what you did to perfectly acceptable 40 mm Bofors guns, I decided that the Prozac just was not going to cut it. When I saw what you did to the stacks, I realized that my weekly sessions with the Self-Esteem coach were wasted time. But when I saw what you'd done with the torpedo launchers ... it's all over. There is just no hope for a mere modeler. I thought I was compulsive, but when I read the part-count on the various sub-assemblies, I finally understood what my mother was really talking about when she told me to quit it or I'd go blind (I thought she was talking about something other than modeling ...). Bob, you've ruined my life. It's over. ... On the other hand, that is maybe the best-looking model I've ever seen, and I'm damned proud to count you as one of my virtual friends. This is museum-quality if I've ever seen it. Congratulations - you put in 4 years, and it shows, and it's worth it! Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Ned Barnett Subject: FineScale News - Battleship Models Needed The Bob Steinbrunn memorial FineScale Modeler issue noted that the New Jersey museum needs high-quality battleship models for a two-year display. They need all eras, and while they prefer 1/350, they're open to other scales. High quality is expected (duh), but this could be a nice way to showcase your work if you do battleships. Also, the magazine noted that a couple of major plastics purveyors (manufacturers, warehouse/distributors, etc.) have recently closed. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "David Miller" Subject: Renwal George Washington SSBN pin-up It is absolutely true. Wasn't much to look at, but it was there. It was raised line relief on the bulkhead, as I recall it was in the mess area. Oh how I wish I still had that model. Between the pin-up and the double bulkheads separating the reactor compartment, this must be one of the rarest kits today. Dave Miller Palm Bay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Steve Sobieralski Subject: Re: Highly doubtful, but I have to check Joe Poutre wrote: >> According to a member of another list I am on, the _original_ Renwal USS George Washington SSBN model, with the fold-down hull, had a small scribing on a bulkhead that, when checked with a magnifying glass, turned out to be a Playboy centerfold. Has anyone ever heard of this? << This is absolutely true. The one I had as a kid in the late '50's had them. There were actually two or three little etched "pinups" scribed onto the front bulkhead of the crew's quarters. Had they been photographs they would have been rather explicit for the day. A few years later I bought another kit and (to my great disappointment) found that they had been scratched out. Someone's mother must have complained to Renwal. Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: D&S Enterprise Hello SMMLies In a recent SMML, Rusty reported on his conversation with Bert Kinzey that the Detail & Scale on the USS Enterprise (CVN-65) was going to be re-released. I received my August sale flyer from Squadron Mail Order and there, listed on page 16 is the very item. Its listed as a REISSUE and priced at $12.96. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Chris Rogers Subject: Re: RNLI The RNLI is totally a volunteer organization HM Coast guard is something else but they all work together along with RAF and RN SARS Helos for the safety of Britain's shores chris Oz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: UK Coastguard The UK Coastguard is a completely separate organisation from the Royal National Lifeboat Institute (RNLI), although they frequently work together. The RNLI itself is a charity (i.e. paid for by donations from the public) which maintains and operates the lifeboats of all different sizes, and the lifeboat stations, at many points around the coast; the headquarters being in Poole on the South Coast. The UK Coastguard is a government organisation, is primarily land based and do not have any craft apart from some very small RIBs, as far as I know. They have a number of lookout stations around the coast and frequently act to co-ordinate rescue activities. The air/sea rescue helicopters are provided by the R.N. or R.A.F., or by civilians under contract to the Coastguard. There is no direct relationship between the Coastguard and the Royal Navy, and hence there is no comparison with the US Coastguard. Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Kdg345@aol.com Subject: USS Yancey (AKA-93) As the historian for the USS Yancey (AKA-93) I was asked a question by our reunion group. The question was: Does anyone know of a viedo, that includes the Yancey, of Admiral Byrd's trip to the South Pole in 1946/1947? The expedition was called "Operation Highjump" and involved The Yancey and five other ships that went to the South Pole. It was featured in the October 1947 issue of National Geographic. I would appreciate hearing of someone that might have some information on this subject. Thanks, Ken Groom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Re: British RLNI and USCG The British organization referred to by Mr. Bennett is known as the RNLI which is heavily supported by donations and is primarily a volunteer service as I understand it. The U.S. Coast Guard, on the other hand, operates a strangely mixed bag of ciuilian, military, customs, immigration and police responsibilities, operating under the the U.S. Department Of Transportation. USCG Personnel are military paid enlisted and officers and become a part of the U.S. Navy in time of declared war. Like the British, the USCG operates a number of lifeboat stations around U.S. coasts and much of the work these two services perform draws upon mutual experience and lessons learned in humanitarian service. At one time, the RNLI used the U.S. designed 44' MLB (Motor Lifeboat) as part of its fleet as did the Canadian Coast Guard. When the U.S. needed to replace the 44 footer with a modern design, the 47' MLB, the resulting vessel ended up looking very "British" and will become a classic in its own right. I also saw the documentary on the loss of the Pembroke lifeboat and her rescue mission was very well described by a journalist who saw the rescue attempt from a cliff. Regardless of paid or volunteer status, the people who perform lifeboat duty are to be commended for the bravery and small boat handling skill they use in performing rescues. The really neat thing with both the USCG and the RNLI is they support the efforts of scale modelers in both countries, often making plans available and lending a courteous hand and hospitality when we come around the station looking for a particular boat's detail. For good, but somewhat dated reading material, I'd highly recommend reading the old Arco Color Series title, "Lifeboats Of The World, A Pocket Encyclopedia Of Sea Rescue" by E.W. Middleton, published in 1978 (ISBN #0-668-04470-5 hardcover or 0-668-04481-0 paperback). I'd be very interested in learning from other SMMLies how many of us out there take an interest in their country's Coast Guard or rescue boat agencies. Victor Baca Model Ship Journal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Re: Front Of The TV Hobbies >> sharpening the blade of a vintage edged weapon ruins its collector value. << The last time I tried doing what Ned does, I only broke the leather frog's rivet when cleaning the bayonet for my Swedish Mauser. I've abandoned cleaning cosmoline and instead read about ships or look at plans while "watching" T.V. I was thinking it might be kind of cool to restore an old nautical telescope or sextant while watching "Victory At Sea," --that would be neat. Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "sell4853" Subject: British Coastguard / RNLI Dear readers 1/ H.M. Coastguard is a British Government funded organisation for the control and coordination of coastal shipping and sea rescue operations around the UK coastline.This is given assistance by the helicopters and aircraft operated by HM Forces who have bases in the relevant areas. See their website: http://www.mcga.gov.uk/ 2/ The RNLI (Royal National Lifeboat Institution is a separate organisation which is a charity that operates solely for the rescue s at sea and is only funded by donations. 3/ Full details can be found on the RNLI website: http://www.rnli.org.uk/Home.asp. With regard to the incident your reader quotes this relates to the loss of the lifeboat "Solomon Browne" based at Penlee in Cornwall the lifeboat station that was close to the Cornish fishing port of Newlyn. The story of this tragic loss can be seen on: http://www.penlee-lifeboat.co.uk/ 4/ As a matter of coincidence my Mother was named Grace Darling after the heroine of Victorian times who with her father saved the lives of some of the crew of the Forfarshire off the Northumberland coast by rowing out to the wreck from their lighthouse home. When my Mother passed away a few years ago we decided that as she was a great fundraiser for the RNLI she should have her ashes cast at sea. This we arranged to be done from the harbour at Seahouses, Northumberland close to where some of our family still live. It was quite ironic that this was done in a beautiful yet quiet ceremony from on board the current lifeboat based at Seahouses and aptly named "Grace Darling" and that the ashes were scattered on the waters above the wreck of the Forfarshire.Her story can be read in: http://www.sentinelpublications.com/grace.htm. I know that this may not be of true "relevance" to ship modelling but at least it gives you something to ponder on when you look at the RNLI website and consider the bravery of the men who for no pay go to sea to save life. God willing our hope is that we do not need their services but it is a comfort to know that they are there............. Regards to All Norman SELLS Tenterden UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Open letter >> I must sign off now, the nurse is bring the pretty blue pill for me to take, and after that I get cookies :-) I hate you. Keith Butterley PS All Kidding aside (pun intended) she is a beauty. I am in awe of your talent << I have long felt that the only way to deal with these social misfits, specifically Messrs Steinbrun, Pruel and Santos is to require them to build all future models with at least one hand tied behind their back, and preferably both!!! Lets see em build another like the Kidd or Pruel's Baltimore which he had at IPMS Chicago while holding the exacto knife between their toes!! On second thought, perhaps not; they might still embarrass the rest of us!!. I'm outta here! Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Highly doubtful, but I have to check >> OK, I know this is probably the biggest crock of nuts, but... According to a member of another list I am on, the _original_ Renwal USS George Washington SSBN model, with the fold-down hull, had a small scribing on a bulkhead that, when checked with a magnifying glass, turned out to be a Playboy centerfold. Has anyone ever heard of this? << Well, I've got one of those kits upstairs, so I'll go check and get back to you in another post. Somehow, I doubt it, though...... Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Darren Subject: Re: DML 1:350 USS Bunker Hill (CG-52) >> In reference to suggestions about using fishing lines for correctly sized lines and stays. How can I "kill" the sheen that is on such line? << Dullcote it. >> Questions - mini review of this kit from anybody who has built it? Assuming it's worth building, any thoughts as to whether a first time modeler could build an acceptable model from this DML kit, while maintaining a modicum of sanity? Didn't check on PE. If PE needed & available, which PE set(s) would be recommended? << Slightly longer than a mini review, but it should give you a good idea. I started building the hull first, it had to be assembled from two halves, a bow flair and the stern. Most of the plastic gluing was done with model builder supply liquid cement and all gap filling was accomplished with Tamiya model putty and gap filling cyanoacrylate glues. The two halves went together with no problems, but when I attached the bow flair it was not a very good fit. After working the flair into position and puttying, the stern was glued in place with no problem. The rudders and shafts were then attached, the shafts wanted to go on crooked and had to be bent straight. Then the bottom of the hull was painted red and set aside to dry. The next assembly I tackled was the helicopter hangar bay, I disliked the lack of detail on the interior walls and deck so I used photos of the Vincennes and Antietam to detail it more accurately. I built and painted the helicopters next and used Gold Medal Models modern USN warship set for the rotor blades. The choppers went together well and look very nice painted. The hangar bay doors were too thick so I attempted to make them thinner, that didn't work so I made new ones out of some ribbed styrene from the train section of the hobby shop. The next section to be worked on was the forward superstructure and the bridge area. The whole bridge window section was cut out and a block of Plexiglas was cut to fit and then polished. The window supports are thin styrene glued directly onto the plexi. The forward superstructure went together very nicely with no gaps or filling needed. The extended walkway aft of the bridge was to narrow and needed to be widened with styrene strip. In my opinion, one of the most important assemblies on the ship is the main mast. I found that the main mast in the kit was too bulky and the supports and platforms were too thick for my liking so I decided to build a whole new mast lattice out of brass rod, silver soldered together. The SPS-49 radar on the main mast is assembled from the same GMM set that I used for the helicopter rotors and railings and some ribbed aluminum for the horn. I assembled all the small items next and painted them so they would be ready when needed. These items included the Phalanx CIWS which needed to have new gun barrels made out of styrene rod because the kit ones were too thick. Also assembled at this time were the ships boats which went together well, the MK45 DP guns which had their barrels drilled out and the MK41 VLS which needed a new launch hatch and loading hatch added because the kit ones are too thick and too short. The VLS also had to be trimmed underneath because when DML made the kit to have open hatches they made the interior too deep which creates a bulge on the bottom of the parts so that they do not sit flush on the deck. Now I started attaching the main decks to the hull and discovered some more problems. First the fit near the bow is uneven and needed some sanding and trimming, second, the deck is too thick and sits above the hull sides and third it was too long! I decided the first thing to do would be to shorten the main deck by a 1/4" so that it fit the hull properly, I accomplished this by cutting a section out where it would not be seen and gluing the deck back together. I then made the area near the bow fit properly and finally I filed underneath so that it sat flush with the hull sides. When the deck fit properly I glued it in place and filled any gaps with putty. At this point it was time to finish the superstructure so I assembled the main section with a reasonable amount of cursing. I found that the sides of the main superstructure went together reasonably well but that the decks did not fit very well at all and it took a fair amount of work to come up with a finish that did not show gaps. The hangar bay fits inside the main superstructure and it mounts about 1/16th of an inch off center from the hangar doors, this had to be corrected with a little persuasion on my part. After the main superstructure was assembled it was mounted onto deck, this was not as simple as it sounds because when completed the superstructure had a twist to it that made it impossible to sit flush onto the deck. I had to glue it on in stages, waiting for the glue to dry so I could apply enough pressure to force the superstructure to sit flush to the deck. This technique was not my first choice but it turned out ok in the end. Now that the main superstructure was on I attached the forward superstructure and it fit nicely. At this point the small parts could be attached to the deck. These included the ships boats, the MK45 guns, the MK141 harpoon launchers and the MK41 VLS hatches. The aft vertical launch system hatches did not fit properly because a personnel hatch molded into the deck was in the way and had to be cut off and moved. All that was left now was to attach all the brass railings and netting that comes with the GMM set. With the railings done I mounted the main mast and then put on the rigging for the two masts using invisible thread from the sewing store. I'm disappointed with the DML kit because there are so many inconsistencies with how it goes together. I think that in their haste to get several ship kits based on the Spruance hull onto the market, DML didn't check the kits out properly, which is too bad because the detail for the most part is exceptional. Darren Scannell (I tried to shorten it, but this is as far as I got!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: dlfowler@apple.com Subject: Royal National Lifeboat Institute and HM Coastguard Hello Craig, When I was stationed in the UK as a member of the US Coast Guard at LorMonSta Shetland Island We would always chide the HM Coastguards because we had more boats than they did. The reason is that the HM Coastguard doesn't have any boats at all! The US Coast Guard incorporates many services that are separated in other countries and were separated in the US until the Coast Guard was formed in 1913. (check out http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/collect.html for the complete story). In the UK, the HM Coastguard is a division of the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (http://www.mcagency.org.uk/). It is responsible for co-ordinating civil maritime search and rescue around the UK. The lifesaving boat stations are operated by the Royal National Lifeboat Institute (http://www.rnli.net/index2.html). This is a completely voluntary service run much the same way as volunteer fire departments in the US. Some stations have one ore two full time staff to answer the phone and man the radios but everyone else is non-paid volunteers from the communities. I recall one time when the vicar of a church I was attending was called out during a Sunday service. Really!. The stations are supported completely by donations. Having spent a winter in the North Sea and seeing the weather that those guys went out in (and having been on small boats in the US Coast Guard) I have the highest respect for them. There are several other services in the UK, either independent or part of the MCA which are combined in the US under the Coast Guard. Hope that helps. The web sites should fill in a lot. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "WEM" Subject: FOTS BARBEQUE ATTENDEES Hi Guys, Well.. with the wedding only three weeks away this Thursday, and the FOTS three weeks away this Friday, we need to know who else is coming to the Friday night barbeque and SMMLlie get-together. John and I are supplying food and drinks for all, we've decided... so if you can make it, then do! PLEASE let us know as soon as possible.. John is at jsnyder@macnexus.org and you can contact me at the above. Names we have so far: LORNA JENKINS (AUSSIE) SHANE JENKINS (AUSSIE) ROBERT LOCKIE (BRIT) LES BROWN (BRIT) CHRIS DRAGE (TRANSPLANTED KIWI) JOHN RULE (CANADA) DUANE FOWLER (U.S.A. and John's Best Man) JOHN SUTHERLAND (NEW ZEALAND) JOHN LAMBERT (BRIT) HAROLD LINCOLN (U.S.A.) DAVE CARTER (BRIT) NICK DOGGER (BRIT) JOHN SNYDER (TRANSPLANTED YANK/WANNABE BRIT) CAROLINE CARTER (BRIT...SOON-TO-BE MARRIED TO THE ABOVE!) CAROLINE'S MUM, KATE (BRIT) CAROLINE'S DAD, PETER (BRIT) JIM BAUMANN (SOUNDS BRITISH BUT WHO IS IN FACT SWISS..) KATRIN (J.B's GERMAN TOTTIE) SONYA BAUMANN (BRIT) If I missed you, apologies.. but please let me know. There will also be, in attendance, a selection of my relatives, and a coupla dozen friends of J.B.'s, so a pretty diverse collection, all in all. Jim's house down in Sarisbury Green has a huge and amazing garden, set in woodland, with lawns, tropical plants, shady wooded areas, terraces, fishponds, and a large, newly refurbished heated swimming pool. Loads of tables, chairs, benches, and seats, set out through the garden. Folks are welcome to bring swimming gear and a towel ... I, for one, will certainly be taking the plunge.. though it'll be a one-piece I'm afraid.. the yellow bikini gets left behind on this one!! Jim will be offering a guided walk-through/talk-through on his models, including the good selection of liners he has built in addition to his warships. Also, we would invite you to bring a musical instrument along. John and I have guitars and banjo at the ready!! Re. meeting up with other SMMLlies on Friday, during the day, perhaps we can set a time, a place, and head for one of the bars together.. suggestions for good meeting points anyone? TTFN Caroline Carter and John Snyder Ellanfield, Risbury, Leominster, Herefordshire, HR6 0NG http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: AAA Hobby Supply Subject: Banner 1/350 Arizona AAA Hobbies would like to extend to our SMML friends a special offer. >> 1/350 Banner (Trumpeter) USS Arizona for the low price of $21.50, a 20% discount (20.22% off the **NEW** $26.95 SRP exactly). With Priority Mail for US Customers that makes the expected cost (3.3lbs=6.45) about $27.95 << I posted this a few weeks ago and caused a stir of sorts. I was told today that one of my distributors expected to get theirs tomorrow (8/1/01) and ship them to us. He said the SRP is now $30, but would match the other price. If this is how it is invoiced, GREAT!! If not, I will sacrifice the difference and still sell them at $27.95 PP to the USA. I will, as stated before, extend the pre order period until the kits arrive in the shop, so you have at least until next Tuesday, August 8, to get your order in! JZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: August Internet Modeler Hi all, The August Internet Modeler is now up. Naval content this time around includes a build of the Hi-Mold 1/700 Mikasa as well as the first part in an ongoing series od modifications to the Revell Flower. This time it is converting it to an RCN Flower. Besides these there are all the usual features, so take a look. We also have a couple of our feline helpers on some of the pages. :-) Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Re: WWII Subchasers It goes against my grain to take the opportunity to "push" our magazine here, but if you're interested in wooden subchasers, we are running a two part series on these vessels. The Summer issue has a photo spread on the SC-772. It features crisp builder's shots from The U.S. National Archives of all her exterior aspects while underway off the Newport Beach, California coast. The Autumn issue will take a look at the SC-1 class of the WWI era and various kits available for it. Victor Baca Model Ship Journal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume