Subject: SMML VOL 1343 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 00:29:56 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: WWI 110' Subchasers in 1/32 Scale 2: Wooden warship kit suggestions 3: USS North Carolina souvineer shops 4: Re: PH historical fiction 5: Re: Dullcote spray 6: Trumpeter 1/350 Arizona? 7: Re: Trailer on Enterprise 8: Re: Trailer on Enterprise 9: Re: Update on next two books from Classic Warships Publishing 10: Ships Wish List 11: Re: Forrest Sherman 12: USCG involvment in Viet Nam and Gulf War 13: flower class corvette 14: Patrol Frigate 15: Best Spruance model? 16: Re: USCG in the Gulf War 17: IJN Camouflage: Question of Jim Davies 18: Re: Forrest Sherman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: FESTIVAL OF THE SEA... RE. YOUR TICKETS 2: Re: Scalefest in Austin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: New Kits -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: WWI 110' Subchasers in 1/32 Scale >> I just ordered one of these 1/32 scale hulls from Microglass. When it arrives, I'll let you guys know how she stacks up. Microglass builds 'em really clean and fair, so I'm sure the 110' WWI subchaser won't disapoint. << I think you'll be happy... :-} It's a typical MicroGlass product - thin, fair, and accurate. Now, if we can get Karl off his nether portions and get that WWII SC out.... Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Wooden warship kit suggestions This is an informal survey. As many of you know, I do some kit design for BlueJacket Shipcrafters and want to make some suggestions for future kits. BlueJacket kits are traditional wooden kits (machine-carved basswood hulls; britannia, etched brass, and resin fittings) that require some carving, shaping, and sanding. Consequently, this medium may not be of major interest to many of you, as the bulk of folks on this list seem to prefer resin or injection-moulded plastic. However, for those with an interest in wood, what would you like to see? Any non-sail powered US naval vessels from the American Civil War (1861) period to the present are of interest. 1/192 is the most common scale for BJ's naval kits and I'd like to stay with that scale unless you're suggesting small combatants (say, up to a 110' SC). Maintaining 1/192 allows the use of existing naval fittings, which is a plus from a manufacturing standpoint. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Mike Taylor" Subject: USS North Carolina souvineer shops Could someone that lives in the neigbhorhood or someone visiting check on the addresses of any shops in the area? I've mailed the Museum with no responce. I'm trying to market my prints. TIA.... Mike taylor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: PH historical fiction Historical fiction Michael??? A bit of contradiction in terms in this case I think ;-). Any way I thought that it was coming sooner or later. Hollywood probably already bought the rights to make a film. If Rambo could win single handedly Viernam war than why couldn't a group of elderly battleships not only catch and sink Japanese carriers but than sail on to conquer Japan?? Next on the roster is probably a book retelling the story of the battle of Suvo Island with three American heavy cruisers alertly catching the Japanese task force and defeating it totaly. Than one about McArthur never leaving Philipines but taking to the mountaind with a band of scatily clad female guerrilas.... Mind boggles!!!!! ;-) Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: Dullcote spray >> First the model must be dust free. But the main complaint I recall was that dullcote yellows and becomes opaque with age. Sometimes it will even craze. On a ship model with these problems will be impossible to restore. << I have to wonder what the sprayer did???? I have models that are 30 and 40 years old with a coat of Testors Dull-Kote (at leat I think it was Testors, that's what I usually use) on them and they look like new. Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: AAA Hobby Supply Subject: Trumpeter 1/350 Arizona? Sentai's web site now says the Banner Arizona will not be restocked (limited), and they are offering a Trumpeter kit at the original $38 price. Banner kit http://www.plasticmodels.com/kpitem.asp?ItemCode=BM08801 Trumpeter Kit http://www.plasticmodels.com/kpitem.asp?ItemCode=TP80607 BTW, the Banner kit was also listed as Banner/Marco Polo elsewhere in the index while the Trumpeter kit is just Trumpeter. Could just be a marketing ploy on behalf of Marco Polo. Could also be that Sentai doesn't really want to sell a competitors kit at less money. Either way, looks like the price is back to the $40 level once the Banner kits are all gone. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: AAA Hobby Supply Subject: Re: Trailer on Enterprise >> The first item on your list refers to a small deck edge elevator, not so. It's an ordnance disposal ramp. It's there so the deck crews could jettison bombs over the side without dumping them into the galleries. << Mike is right, notice that it is mounted directly over the port boat crane and has no way to travel downward! Hadn't noticed that in the original post. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: AAA Hobby Supply Subject: Re: Trailer on Enterprise >> The van appears to be an HF intercept van to monitor Japanese transmissions. This was common practice when there was insufficient room inside a ship to fit the gear. It was common practice up to at least the 1970s. << Dave, You mean we tried to intercept IJN signals "at least the 1970s." Must have been listening for instructions to the soldiers marooned on the isolated islands that never found out the war was over. ;-} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: AAA Hobby Supply Subject: Re: Update on next two books from Classic Warships Publishing Good to hear that both books are almost ready to print, now I can tell the hounds how long to wait. They've been getting restless lately. >> The cover, both front and back, are my colorization of original black and white images. << Ted Turner Strikes Again!!!!!! You are right about the cost of photos! Since the government has given the sole right to make reproductions to one company (owned by a friend of which senator/president?), the prices have gone sky high. At least they will still let individuals scan them (at least they do in the Atlanta archives) so the price is manageable. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Jana & Pavel" Subject: Ships Wish List Dear fellow modelers, As a point of intrest, I would like to know what you would like to see from manufactures. To start the ball rolling, I would love to see the following: 1/700 HMS Vanguard, 1946 1/700 HMS Queen Mary, Battlecruiser 1913 1/700 HMS Lord Nelson, pre-dreadnought 1908 1/700 HMS King Edward VII, pre-dreadnought 1905 and so on What is your wish?? Regards Pavel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: Forrest Sherman Hi Ken Concerning the USS Edson DD-946 that is a museum ship with the Intrepid museum she is not DD-196. The USS George Badger was DD-196 and was scrapped in 1946. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Melea/Mike Maynard" Subject: USCG involvment in Viet Nam and Gulf War In reply to Ed Grune's question regarding the U S Coast Guard overseas: June 12 1965-Coast Guard Squadon One(seventeen 82 foot Point Class Patrol boats) came under the authority of the US Navy when it changed operational control to Commander in Chief, Pacific Fleet.. October 29, 1965- 9 additional patrol boats were ordered to Viet Nam at the request of Secretary of the Navy... December 15 1965, the commander of CG Squadron One was upgraded to a captain(O-6)billet and assigned the duty of advisor to Chief, Naval Advisory Group SAIGON for CG related matters as well as additional duty with the US Military Assistence command, Viet Nam. During the first year of operations the 82' cutters 1) steamed more than half million miles 2) stayed underway over 70% of the time 3) detected 15,000 junks 4) inspected 30,000 junks 5) boarded 35,000 junks 6) accounted for 75 VC KIA/WIA/CIA 7) arrested/detained several hundred 8) destroyed 16 junks and one steel hull 9) captured more than 100 tons of enemy weapons and supplies 10) conducted 35 naval Naval gunfire support missions 11) paricipated in special operations in support of the US Army and Marines activities in enemy held waterways. April 24, 1967- CG Squadron Three was formed at the request of the Navy. 5 high endurence cutters were on station off the coast in the war zone under Commander, Task Unit(CTU), Cruiser Destroyer Group Seventh Fleet, Subic Bay, RP. The cutters(255, 311, 327, 378 feet in length) provided naval gun fire support, plane guard, and logistic support for the 82' PB's and US Navy PCF's. This support allowed the patrol craft to remain on station longer. CG Bouy tenders were assigned to the country's coast and rivers to set up and maintain a rudimentry aids to navigation system. With out going into all CG activities, the CG provided port security in Saigon, Nha Be, Cam Ranh Bay, and Cat Lai, at the request of the US Army's First Logistic's Command. Apparently loading/unloading explosives in a war zone needed the Coast Guard's "Gentle" touch. In addition, at the Air Forces insistence, the CG built and operated LORAN stations in country. Coasties,and their U.S. MARINE security force, manning a LORAN, were the last Americans out of Viet Nam(hours after the evacuation of the US embassy in Saigon). 7,000 CG personnel served in Viet Nam, over 100 wounded and 7 killed in action(including a CG pilot assigned to the Air Force rescue service). Hope my reply wasn't too long, very few American's are aware of the part the "Hooligan Navy" played in Viet Nam. In 1965, a lot of coasties state side were towing in a sailboat full of hot babes on a Monday and dodging AK 47 fire on Saturday, it's THAT kind of a military service. God bless 'em... M J Maynard ps: 17 August 1990- at the request of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the CG was directed to commit Law Enforcement teams(40 men) aboard Navy ships in the Persian gulf during Desert Storm... in addition, over 950 Coasties(mostly reservists) were stationed in Bahrain to provide port security. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: JohnBassman1@cs.com Subject: flower class corvette dearsirs, can you tell me where I can puchase a 1/72 flower class corvette. Thanks John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Patrol Frigate Could be very wrong here, but doesn't ISW offer a 1:350 Burlington Patrol Frigate kit? Perhaps this is a completely different ship, but I thought New Bedford belonged to the same class as the Burlington. Derek Wakefield Denton (Home of Happiness), TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Mike Potter Subject: Best Spruance model? A correspondent asks me to recommend a model of a Spruance-class destroyer, since I wrote the only book about the class. My limited knowledge of models is based on those available ten years ago. Skywave then had a reasonable 1/700 model (some detail errors, and it needed an additional metal fittings kit to look good) and someone else offered a less-accurate 1/350 model. Which models today are good? Regards, Mike Potter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Re: USCG in the Gulf War Hello Ed, The 25 foot whalers that you saw were manned by US Coast Guard Reservists as their rate - Port Securitymen - is a reserve only rate in the Coast Guard. The 378 foot USCGC Mellon also served in the gulf. Mighty fine being in an all white ship with red and blue racing stripes in a war zone! As noted, the US Coast Guard was also one of the first fighting units of US forces in Vietnam. They provided 65 and 82 foot patrol boats for river and delta patrols. For a history of the Coast Guard's participation in Vietnam see "The Coast Guard at War: Vietnam, 1965-1975" (Alex Larzelere, Naval Institute Press, March 1997) or "Coast Guard Action in Vietnam: Stories of Those Who Served" (Paul C. Scotti, Hellgate Press, October 2000). During operations like these as well as during war games and other interservice operations various Coast Guard units may serve attached to other service commands or may serve along with other service units as individual commands. Generally there would be a Coast Guard liaison with the command staff to handle the coordination. Sometimes this may lead to problems as in Vietnam when Coast Guard boats were strafed by Air Force aircraft because they could not identify them and had no way to communicate directly. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Axel Wolters" Subject: IJN Camouflage: Question of Jim Davies Hi Jim and other IJN buffs, as far as I know, wore some of the smaller units (example: Light Cruiser TAMA, model from Tamiya and Seaplane Tender KIMIKAWA MARU, model from Skywave/Pitroad, 1:700 scale waterline), so maybe destroyers too, dazzle camouflage schemes in different shades of grey during the Invasion of the Aletiuan Islands. Same date as the battle of midway. Both kits box art show these camouflage schemes. The Aleutian islands are located far north in the pacific, so the mountains could be covered with snow (the invasion took place early in June 1942) and maybe there also were icerocks in the sea. So this camouflage scheme makes sense. Hope this hint is helpful. Axel Wolters Moenchengladbach Germany -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: VONJERSEY@aol.com Subject: Re: Forrest Sherman Oops! Regarding the Edson, I accidentally listed her as DD 196 when I fact she is DD 946. Thanks to all who respond to my posting. Also, thanks to all who gave me much needed advise re the decision to buy or not to buy an airbrush. My Hamlet like hand wringing is over and I am now awaiting the Aztek system I ordered. Hopefully I will have a better outcome than the prince of Denmark. Went to the model show at NY City's South SREA Seaport. Good God! I have a very long way to go if I ever want to get to the level of the modelers who displayed the fruits of their labors. Practice practice practice. Also, I think I need to join a modeling club. I need all the help I can get. Lastly, what's all this about dullcoat turning yellor and crazing??????!!!!! I have been spraying/inhaling cans of Testors flat lacquer overcoat (No. 1960) on all my models. Is this a problem (for my models)??? To quite Das Boot: AAAAHHHH LAAAAARM!!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "WEM" Subject: FESTIVAL OF THE SEA... RE. YOUR TICKETS Has anyone out there received their pre-ordered tickets yet? We haven't...... I have spoken to Mike and Lynn Dunn and they don't have theirs either. They chased theirs via the hotline and it seems that Ticketmaster aren't releasing any until the 10th ... they say that ALL should be out by the 14th. We would urge folks to get their tickets a.s.a.p. on the following number. 0870 555040 and for folks to obtain at least a reference number via this number if the tickets aren't with them on the 15th August. Good Luck! Caroline Carter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Edgerlydadi@aol.com Subject: Re: Scalefest in Austin Hey Jesse, You have the date right. The show is sponsored by the Austin Scale Modelers Society (ASMS) local of the IPMS. The location is the Crockett Center on US290 just east of the IH-35 and US290 interchange. You will need to be on the frontage road heading east to enter the parking lot. There is a Rodger Beasley VOLVO dealer just past the Crockett Center. Please come on down. We usually have a good selection of vendors and the models are of a very high quality. The ship contingent grows every year. the vendors have been plentiful and the Village usually has a good selection of ships at a nice show discount. Hope it helps. Dave E. Austin, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Michael Bartel Subject: New Kits Hi everyone, I was asked by a fellow SMMLie to post an update on the recent announcement of new WW1 kits from IHP. A planned 1:700 WW1 British dreadnought-type is still coming, but no further announcement will be made until after the 1:700 Algerie is released, and this event may not be until early in 2002, due to my recently-increased workload. I can say that it is a significant subject- it is not an obscure one. 1:700 LE FANTASQUE kits are still available at $27 plus shipping. They are only available direct from IHP. Ordering information is on the IHP website, and I ship to anywhere on the planet. A review is in the new Plastic Ship Modeler magazine. Mike Bartel IHP http://ihphobby.tripod.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume