Subject: SMML VOL 1344 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:22:56 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Ships Wish List 2: Re: WWI 110' Subchasers in 1/32 Scale 3: Re: USS Yancey query 4: Cannon Trivia Question 5: Re: Wish -List 6: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions 7: Civil War Dio 8: Ship wish list 9: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions 10: Showboat Souvenir Shop 11: Funnels & ventilators 12: Re: Wooden Ship Kits 13: Scribed plastic sheet stock 14: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions 15: Re: US Navy Patrol Frigates 16: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions 17: Re: Pavel's wish list 18: Re: Future Bluejacket Kit Releases 19: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions 20: Scala What & How? 21: NEW CAMOUFLAGE BOOK from CHATHAM 22: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: SMMLlie Barbeque/Festival of the Sea -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: WSW/B-Resina kits from the company formerly known as Rocky Mountain Shipyard 2: Wanted: Japanese Landing Craft Articles from Warship -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Baumbach, Werner" Subject: Ships Wish List Unfortunately, this will probably a hypothetical thread, but you never know: Mostly it would be nice to get some vessels of smaller navies in 1/700 and at an affordable price: Frigates and destroyers of Belgium, the Netherlands, France, Norway, Italy or Spain. Thus one could start building up dioramas of NATO exercises or just get the comparison between mainstream navies and smaller ones. Then maybe some Croation and Yugoslav naval vessels (okay, if this comes up by Revell or one of the others major vendor, I'll won't touch a beer for three months). The Spanish carrier, keep forgetting the name The Italian one, same story (affordable, I think there is a resin one out there) I'd be really happy and busy with that for a while. But then again, i still have tons of boats waiting to be completed (reminds me of that thread). So I can occupy myself for a while here. Happy modelling Werner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: WWI 110' Subchasers in 1/32 Scale Anyone interested in modeling a WW 1 Submarine Chaser is welcome to ask about specs, details, etc. off list. I have received a tremendous amount of help from SMML people (and others), which caused me to do some extensive research in an effort to make my 1:48 model ay least "decent". I am retired and have the time. Passing along the information I have is, to me, part of the hobby, and I am glad to be able to help and encourage others, even as I have been so supported. There are no charges or fees involved, another attitude I picked up from SMML people (I don't drink or smoke, and the wild women won't run slowly enough for me to catch them, at least the young ones don't, dammit, so I can afford stamps and/or Xeroxes). So this is how I get my Jollies. Sorry, no data on WW 2 S/C. Franklyn Brown Boston, Mass. , USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: USS Yancey query I have some interesting ancillary information from a close friend who served in the Byrd expedition to the South Pole in 1946/7. I lost the e-mail address of the SMML person who served on the U.S.S. YANCEY and who asked for such material on a recent SMML listing. Part of it deals with the original Snowmobile which came to grief even before it went into service on the ice on the previous expedition. If anyone can forward the E-mail address of the U.S.S. YANCEY crewman who asked, I will be glad to forward the info, on list (in case any SMML people are interested) or off list. Franklyn Brown Boston, Mass. USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Joel Labow Subject: Cannon Trivia Question Here's another question for the age of sail RN crowd...did carronades carry the royal monograms that were found on RN long guns? The large 68 pound carronade replica on Victory's forecastle does not appear to have such a monogram. Perhaps because they were cast by a private firm in Scotland they didn't carry the monograms? Any help would be much appreciated. Joel Labow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Denis Keegan" Subject: Re: Wish -List Hi everyone the following would keep me busy for YEARS--all in 1/700 HMS Illustrious HMS Colossus HMS Ark Royal - Post War HMCS Haida or ANY Tribal HMS/HMCS Upholder/Victoria SSK Now wouldn't THEY look good? Denis K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions I have built Al's Gambier Bay model and had a great time building it. At 1/192 the scale is big enough to all kinds of super detailing. If you enjoy the larger scales I would recommend any of the BJS kits as a refreshing change. For my suggestions I would like to see: (1) Galveston class missile cruiser (1960s). I would love to build an Oklahoma City (I have tons of digital images Al). (2) Forest Sherman class DD. (3) Tarawa class carrier (modern version) (4) Iwo Jima class carrier (modern version) (5) Albany class missile cruiser Rusty White 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: bruce ross Subject: Civil War Dio Greetings all, My second son has become very interested in the Battle of Hampton Roads and to that end I've purchased the Throughbred models of the Monitor and Virgina. I'd like to build him a small diorama and need some suggestions on how to create stack smoke and cannon fire. Anyone got any slick ideas? I really want to keep his interest in naval history going. Thanks, Bruce Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Ship wish list I could name about twenty ships but what I would really LOVE to see is ICM's 1/350 scale "Kniaz Suvorov" taking its place again in their production plans. We all can dream can't we?? Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: ELLshipmodeler@aol.com Subject: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions Al, Bluejacket used to have a Chicago cruiser. I still have a hull, but no plans or fittings. It looks like it was a "winner" at the time it was produced. I suggest one of the good looking WWII cruisers such as the Baltimore Class. Not too big, but classy. In fact I would like to see a highly detailed 1/96 cruiser. Think of the possibilities there. (The 1/700 and 1/350 are too miniature for my requirements.) The cost would be minor when you spread it over the hours of enjoyment in building! Bluejacket has always had high quality. Looks like the new owners are going to continue the tradition with your participation. Don't forget many photo etch details! I'm looking forward to your talk at the Nautical Research Guild conference on October 6, that our local club, the Washington Ship Model Society, is hosting. Gene Larson Alexandria, Virginia Member, NRG Retired NRG Board Chairman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Showboat Souvenir Shop >> Could someone that lives in the neighborhood or someone visiting check on the addresses of any shops in the area? I've mailed the Museum with no response. I'm trying to market my prints. << Mike I used to have a client in the area and made many visits to the Showboat. They have a nice on-site shop (you exit through the shop, so you can't miss it . I'm not aware of any other shops that cater to the USS NC, however. You might try persisting with a phone call, or check for a web site ... Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Ian Wrenford" Subject: Funnels & ventilators Hi, Two inane questions for you shippies..... What's inside funnels? It's one of those reference areas rarely photographed which with no shipboard experience I'm simply at a loss! The kits that I have depict a baffle type arrangement. How's this work? How do they keep the water out??? And the 2nd question. How do ship ventilators work in a rotational sense? Do they normally point into, or away from the wind? And when a ship is under way - would they therefore normally point aft? I'm assuming they rely on venturi effect to suck air out of the holds etc?? The photo references I have show them pointing every which way - but this is usually on ships at anchor..... any help appreciated???? Thanks, Ian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Edgerlydadi@aol.com Subject: Re: Wooden Ship Kits Dear Al, I would love to see a 1/192 USCG Wind class icebreaker in WWII trim. 5" and Duck. AAAAHHHHH, now that would be lovely. Dave E. Austin, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Scribed plastic sheet stock I'm looking for a source of scribed plastic sheet stock for ship decks. I am aware of the Evergreen stock, but it is not long enough for my needs. Does anyone know of a source of scribed material in a wider range of scribe widths, thicknesses and lengths?? Also what has the experience been in mating wood sheet stock to plastic hulls?? I know that scribed stock is available in longer lengths in Bass wood, however I'm concerned about wood movement with humidity changes if I try to use it with a plastic hulled ship model. For the record, my Banner Arizona is getting a proper deck!! Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions >> This is an informal survey. As many of you know, I do some kit design for BlueJacket Shipcrafters and want to make some suggestions for future kits. BlueJacket kits are traditional wooden kits (machine-carved basswood hulls; britannia, etched brass, and resin fittings) that require some carving, shaping, and sanding. Consequently, this medium may not be of major interest to many of you, as the bulk of folks on this list seem to prefer resin or injection-moulded plastic. However, for those with an interest in wood, what would you like to see? Any non-sail powered US naval vessels from the American Civil War (1861) period to the present are of interest. 1/192 is the most common scale for BJ's naval kits and I'd like to stay with that scale unless you're suggesting small combatants (say, up to a 110' SC). Maintaining 1/192 allows the use of existing naval fittings, which is a plus from a manufacturing standpoint. << Well you had my response on SteelNavy, but sine good advice bears frequent repetition, here goes again :-) 1. A later monitor such as a Passaic in post war configuration with added deck fittings, hurricane decks, deck houses etc. 2. A twin or triple turreted monitor such as Onandaga etc again with all the extra goodies 3. A pre WWI torpedo boat of the Winslow or similar ilk 4 An ACR-3 Brooklyn, protected cruiser 5 A coastal defense monitor such as the Amphirite, or Florida or Connecticut or Katahdin 6 Any pre-WWI us navy subject Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: US Navy Patrol Frigates >> OK guys, I'm just about ready to start another scratchbuild. It will be USS NEW BEDFORD (PF-71). I've never even seen a model of a Patrol Frigate. has anyone??? << Bob, There are three kits available I know of - one by BaD in 1/96 that consists of plans and some blocks of wood, one in 1/350 by Iron Shipwright of USS Burlington, and one in 1/700 by a Japanese company of a PF as operated by the JMSDF post-WWII - ask Bill Gruner of Pacific Front for details. If you meant built-up models, my friend Gil Yoffredo built USS Bayonne, PF-21, using the BaD bits, other plans, and a lot of scratch work. I could dig up some photos if you like. I personally built the 1/700, which required some minor changes to back-date her, and have the IS version sitting in the closet. Joe Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Edward and Eleta Malewitz" Subject: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions I'd love to see some larger scale American Civil War ironclads. The Monitors, especially the twin-turreted ones, the New Ironsides and the Confederate rams would be good subjects for the BlueJacket medium. Ed Malewitz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: HAZEGRAYADM@aol.com Subject: Re: Pavel's wish list Watch this thread get out of hand! My wish is for an ACCURATE 1/700 scale Essex class CV kit of WW II (Covering the short & long hull versions as did the Hasegawa kits). If Pit Road ever releases the Benson class DDs as promised (Without charging an arm & leg) then the rest of my wish list will be done. Although, an accurate CV-2 & -3 wouldn't hurt. Bert McDowell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Re: Future Bluejacket Kit Releases I'd like to see Bluejacket come out with a U.S. Coast Guard subject such as: 82' Point Class cutter (with Vietnam War fittings options) 125' WSC (WWII variant) 110' WYTM icebreaking tug (WWII armament) USCG 83' Footer circa 1943, early version 83300-83435 USCGC Acacia (WAGL-406) of the 180' class with WWII armament (the later ones with bridge wings plated to the hull looked particularly handsome during the war). If the only option is 1/192 scale: USCGC Campbell (WPG-32) USCGC Owasco (WPG-39) USCGC Eastwind (WAG-279), WWII era If WWII USN is to be the era and USCG is out, how 'bout a: USS Gleaves Class DD 110' SC USS Haste (PG-92) PC-451 Class USS Tacoma (PF-3) Class USS Buckley (DE-51) or USS Evarts (DE-5) Class YMS minesweeper-round or square bridge type. The above subjects would be chosen because they're out of the ordinary and still keep the flavor of the Bluejacket line. Take the YMS, for instance, it's a small wooden ship and could also be configured as a separate gunboat kit with different bridge (square) and would definitely fit in with Bluejacket's line. It's exciting to see that we may see something new from this stalwart of the model ship industry. Victor Baca Model Ship Journal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Dizzydismal@cs.com Subject: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions Al Would love to see Keokuk, Galena, New ironsides, Osage and river ironclads. Dennis Disbrow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Scala What & How? What was & how were the Scalas used on the gun towers of earlier battleships? Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "WEM" Subject: NEW CAMOUFLAGE BOOK from CHATHAM Hi Guys News from Chatham. The following book is due for a (theoretically!) September release. NAVAL CAMOUFLAGE 1914-1945 David Williams (aiuthor of Liners in Battledress), has written this, a comprehensive study of naval camouflage. The core of this book is a listing of all the major patterns and schemes, with their colours, charachteristics and function. Wherever possible, each is illustrated with at least one photograph or the approved pattern drawing. Hardbound, 256pp, 320 halftones plus 8pp full colour 40.00 Pounds (around $56.40). We ARE taking reservations on this title. Thanks! Caroline Carter Ellanfield, Risbury, Leominster, Herefordshire, HR8 2UF, U.K. Tel : 0870 220 1888 Fax: 0870 220 1786 Home Page for WEM http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Steve Sobieralski Subject: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions I suppose the obvious choices would be a Sumner/Gearing destroyer or a DE. These could utilize many of the fittings of the Kidd kit and a Sumner could probably use the same hull. Personally I would really like to see a USS Atlanta or Juneau. Another thought would be for Bluejacket to re-release the old USS Chicago kit, updated with the same level of plans and fittings as the Kidd or Gambier Bay, and perhaps in an early to mid-war configuration. I would also like to see more 1/48 PT's, particularly the 77' Elco and Higgins. These could also utilize some of the major fittings already developed for the 80' Elco. On the civilian side a re-release of the Savannah kit would be interesting. And surrendering completely to "wishful thinking" a USS Alaska. I have built (or at least bought) all of the modern Bluejacket kits and I would love to see some more. Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "WEM" Subject: SMMLlie Barbeque/Festival of the Sea I have an update on attendees: the best news to date is that Peter and Julie Hall will be attending (the night of the 24th is their 10th wedding anniversary...congrats will be due to both!) LORNA JENKINS SHANE JENKINS ROBERT LOCKIE LES BROWN CHRIS DRAGE JOHN RULE DUANE FOWLER JOHN SUTHERLAND JOHN LAMBERT CHRIS LANGTREE HAROLD LINCOLN DAVE CARTER NICK DOGGER EDWARD BROWN DIANA BROWN MIKE DUNN LYNN DUNN JOHN SNYDER CAROLINE (wannabe SNYDER) JIM BAUMANN KATRIN SONYA BAUMANN PETER HALL JULIE HALL ANDY JONES MRS ANDY JONES and a bunch of my relatives and Jim Baumann's friends. The total will be about 75 folks. I will be e-mailing instructions and a map to everyone very shortly for them to print and keep. However, a command decision has been reached here..... we are asking folks to bring along drinks (wine, beer, etc), as the cost to John and myself of the food alone is likely to be several hundred pounds when the final totals are reached. That's all for now folks! Thanks, Caroline Carter and John Snyder From a soggy Herefordshire! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: rms Subject: WSW/B-Resina kits from the company formerly known as Rocky Mountain Shipyard Greetings! Please check out our web site for great prices on WSW and B-Resina resin ship kits: www.wic.net/~rms/ We have updated the site to reflect the new kits available. I will place a purchase order on 24 August. Kits have been arriving about three weeks later. Questions? Please contact me off list: rms@wic.net Thanks! Lisa D. Norman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: john.baumann@talk21.com Subject: Wanted: Japanese Landing Craft Articles from Warship Warship No.40 (dated October 1986) article entitled 'Special Fast Landing Ships of the Imperial Japanese Navy: Part 3' suggest there are two earlier parts to this series - would someone be willing to provide me with photocopies please? Contact me off-line at: john.baumann@talk21.com. Thanks in anticipation. Regards, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume