Subject: SMML VOL 1345 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 00:05:48 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: stack and cannon smoke in a dioramma 2: Re: rotating ventilators 3: Re: patrol frigate 4: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions 5: Brass Gun Barrels 6: Wood models in 1/192 scale 7: Re: Scala What & How 8: Bluejacket Wish List 9: Re: Scribed plastic sheet stock 10: Re: Wood ship wishes 11: Re: wooden ship list 12: wish list 13: Falklands choppers 14: Banner Arizona 15: Re: Desired Kits 16: Re: wish list 17: Pavels' Wish list - AKA " all I want for Xmas!" 18: Titanic book 19: Smoke and cannon fire 20: Re: Wooden Warship Kit Suggestions 21: Wish list--Blue Jacket Shipcrafters -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Colourcoats Paints 2: Kits for sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: stack and cannon smoke in a dioramma >> suggestions on how to create stack smoke and cannon fire. Anyone got any slick ideas? << Bruce, Go to your nearest craft shop and get to the department that sells "Doll's Hair". It's not really hair but some sort of light cottony stuff. It comes in a great many colors and you can tease out small strands of black, white, and gray to look pretty good. (black from stacks and white from cannon fire, gray just makes it a bit more realistic). Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: rotating ventilators >> And the 2nd question. How do ship ventilators work in a rotational sense? Do they normally point into, or away from the wind? And when a ship is under way - would they therefore normally point aft? I'm assuming they rely on venturi effect to suck air out of the holds etc?? The photo references I have show them pointing every which way - but this is usually on ships at anchor..... << Ian, This might vary with time but when I was building a model of USS MASSACHUSETTS (BB-2) I had shipyard drawings and there was a system by which there were gear teeth around the ventilator near it's top (the rotating part) and a rod coming up the front with a small matching gear at it's top. When that rod was truned from below decks, it turned the ventilator top. Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: patrol frigate Thanks to Harold, Kurt, Dave, and Joe for your helpful information. The model will be entirely scratch (my preference) and most likely 1/96. I also prefer waterline models so that's the way I will go. Cheers. Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Donald Woolley Subject: Re: Wooden warship kit suggestions In relation to suggestions for future kits by BlueJacket Shipcrafters, I second Bradford Chaucer's request for a coastal defense monitor such as the Florida, Connecticut, etc. Any of the post-war monitor configurations would be nice as well. Donald Woolley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Brass Gun Barrels Does anyone know of any sources of brass gun barrels for scratchbuilding projects? I'm looking for barrels suitable for 20th century battleships. I bought some many years ago, but I need more now. I have long since lost the name and address of the source. Any help would be appreciated. David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | http://home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: andy vu Subject: Wood models in 1/192 scale At this large scale, the old japanese battleships would look awesome: Mutsu, Nagato, the Congo class. I would buy all of them if they are available! So will many SMML members, no doubt. Andy Vu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Scala What & How I am not sure if I understand you correctly since I am not clear what "gun tower" is but here is what I think you mean :-) :scales were painted late in WW I (from 1918 onwards) on B and X turrets of British battleships. Scales were a visual aid to the ships immediately in front and behind to see in which direction ship's guns are pointing. Range clocks also placed fore and aft worked in conjunction with scales and were ment to convey the range at which the guns were firing. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Steven Bryson" Subject: Bluejacket Wish List I would like to add a vote to a reissue of the USS Chicago kit, and suggest the USS Panay as a new release. I think that a 1/96 version of the Panay would make a great kit, and in that scale would allow a good amount of detail. Steve Bryson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Teliczan Tom Civ 15 SVS/SVF Subject: Re: Scribed plastic sheet stock >> Also what has the experience been in mating wood sheet stock to plastic hulls?? I know that scribed stock is available in longer lengths in Bass wood, however I'm concerned about wood movement with humidity changes if I try to use it with a plastic hulled ship model. For the record, my Banner Arizona is getting a proper deck!! << I glued basswood strips (hull planking left over from a wooden sailing ship model)to the hull of an old Lindberg privateer about a year ago using slow-setting super glue. For a first attempt it came out ok, looking a lot better than a plastic-painted surface would. It's hanging on just fine; you'll want to ensure plank fit is spot on - the suckers bond to the plastic w/a really solid grip. HTH. v/r Tomt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Doug Marrel" Subject: Re: Wood ship wishes USS Maine, AFAIK, never been a kit of one of the most famous ships in US history. USS Olympia, lot's of history there too. USS Texas, both WWII BB and CGN (hey, I can dream can't I?) Modern US warship (Spruance,Tico,Burke, etx.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: DrT388@aol.com Subject: Re: wooden ship list Surprised no one mentioned BB USS North Carolina or CV USS Lexington or IJN CV Akagi. Any of these in 1/192 would allow for super detailing with fittings, etc. Would love to see one of these turned into production of a kit. Regards, David Turner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: wish list My Wish list would be a lot more 1/700 WW2 navy kits readily available in Australia! or have a better exchange rate.But i know that the first one will never happen & the 2nd one will probbaly come around in say 2 years time! Not that i dont mind buying from overseas as i have bought a few items from WEM..it just would be nice for Australia's hobby shops to stock something other than the regular stuff, so i could walk past & then see something i would like to take straight away, instead of emailing first to find out if its what i want & then waiting a month or so to get it!....but oh well such is life when you live in "the arse end of the world"..guess i have to travel to the UK or Europe! keep up the good work all Andrew Hi Andrew, Get set for a rapid rise in the Aussie peso right after we convert our cash to pounds ;-) Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Falklands choppers Hi Guys Does any one know the name of the paint color that RN and RAF helicopters in the Falkland Islands War were painted in. It appears to be green but yet it looks like Olive grab. As to aircraft markings I know they removed the white paint and replaced with red paint in the center of the blue roundel for aircraft. Was there any these on the underneath side or top side of the helicopter which is a Sea King HAS -2. Any help would be appreciated. Also is there any decal sheets available for helicopters in the Falklands in 1/72 scale. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Banner Arizona Hi SMMLies, I just picked up the Banner "Arizona" at my local for $20.00. He said you guys that paid $38 for it were badly ripped off. I'm glad I didn't pay any more then $20 for too. She'll need allot of T.L.C. to look like something. Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Hank Lapa" Subject: Re: Desired Kits I second that want for a large-scale BALTIMORE-class heavy cruiser. If I knew I was going to the gas chamber day after tomorrow, I'd still buy one, just in case. My dad was on HELENA. Hank -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "graham and melanie" Subject: Re: wish list HMS Illustrious this is made by Aoshima there's also a Victorious HMS Ark Royal - Post War WEM I think has this one in the pipeline HMCS Haida or ANY Tribal Again this kit is or has been made a couple of years ago. best wishes graham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Peter K. H. Mispelkamp Subject: Pavels' Wish list - AKA " all I want for Xmas!" Hi: I would like to see all four of the major IJN CA classes of WWII re-released, i.e. Mogami, Tone, Myoka, and Takao classes. All of these kits were released in the 50's and 60's and were marketed by Tamiya, Paramount, UPC, and an outfit know as "Hobby". I am pretty sure that Tamiya actually made the molds - most of the other companies were exporters only - i.e. they slapped the kits into their boxes with slightly modified instruction sheets. On average, these kits seem to constantly attract bids of well over $100.00 US - one went for over $500.00 on Ebay - so think that there are enough of us out there to make it worthwhile. I have heard rumours of 1/400 series of Kongo class battlecruisers/battleships as well - but have never seen any so I am not sure. Is anybody who can actually get these ships on the market watching/listening? Is there anybody out there who wants to sell me any of these kits at a fair - not inflated collector's/Ebay price? Happy modeling Sincerely Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Robert & Rose Brown Subject: Titanic book Hi there: For those interested in the tale of the ship that sailed half-way to New York once, I can recommend a new book by Charles Pellegrino called 'Ghosts of the Titanic' ISBN 0-688-13955-8. Far ranging in it's scope, tying the Titanic to global warming, genetics, and the disaster that befell the space shuttle Challenger, it's a new analysis of some of the more interesting mysteries about the ship based on the 2 official inquiries, lots of personal letters, the wreck itself, and some of the artifacts recovered. Some of the most interesting parts of the book are details about exactly what happened as the ship flooded and broke apart. Not just idle speculation either, but well reasoned deductions. Some other interesting items include: The real significance of the coal fire in the bunker that backed onto the bulkhead between Boiler Rooms 5 and 6. Why the ship was standing into danger at her highest possible rate of speed. Why there is no trace of the grand staircase when there is lots of wood inside the wreck. How the iceberg got so close before being spotted. Why Murdoch had no choice about whether or not to ram the berg or try and get out of the way, and why the ship's rudder size and turning circle made no difference. Why modern cruise ships do not have opening portholes. The shootings that occured as the last collapsibles floated off the ship. A re-assessment of Captain Smith and Bruce Ismay. A good reason to retrieve personnal belongings from the wreck site. I used to be one of those who passionately advocated leaving everything where it fell, but I've changed my mind after reading this book. Anyways, it's a good read and highly recommended. Instead of simply relating the story, Pellegrino takes a lot of commonly known facts, some new ones, and a highly trained scientific mind to connect them all to paint a new picture of what really went on that night. I thought I'd read every possible book about the Titanic and was in possession of all the facts, but this book proved otherwise. This book stands with 'A Night to Remember', 'The Ship that stood Still', and 'Tramps and Ladies' as my indespensable Titanic references. Cheers Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Smoke and cannon fire >> I'd like to build him a small diorama and need some suggestions on how to create stack smoke and cannon fire. Anyone got any slick ideas? << These are dynamic and transient events that are hard to reproduce as a "solid." CANNON: As a kid I had a TRIANG clockwork tank that had a flint sparkler machine gun and an oscillating tank turrent whose cannon fired puffs of talcum powder. The talcum was preloaded into a removable cannon barrel. The clockwork train pulled on the a spring attachment until it was far back enough to snap back on an air cylinder's diaphragm to produce the puff through the cannon muzzle. SMOKE: from model trains. Lionel and Marklin used to have model train smoke generation systems. Chinese joss sticks burn slowly enough without a flame while emitting a significant amount of fragrant smoke (which is the whole point of its existence.) If you have used them for lighting fireworks you'll get the idea. My update on this would be to use a (fire proof) metal container to burn the joss sticks and concentrate the smoke. Vent part of this to the model smoke stack. For the cannons figure a way to draw the smoke into the barrels and puff them through the muzzle. Its easier for you to imagine how to do that than it is for me to describe a solution. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Wooden Warship Kit Suggestions Hi; USS DUNDERBURG! Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister http://www.egroups.com/group/WoodenWalls Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Rod Dauteuil Subject: Wish list--Blue Jacket Shipcrafters >> I would like to see any USGC vessel, such as a Wind class icebreaker, or a Secretary class cutter. Especially the cutter. I think these had nice lines that would look even better in 1/96 scale. A Benson/Gleaves/Livermore class DD would also be nice. And if they're really ambitious, perhaps even a pre-war carrier like the Lex. << One suggestion would be to enhance the plans. I have their 4 stack destroyer and the plans are very old (although I'll admit I bought the kit after it had been sitting on the shelf for as long as I can remember, so I may have an older version.) Rod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: wem Subject: Colourcoats Paints We received a call this morning from our supplier, informing us that he had arrived at work to find his office filled with thousands of tins of paint! We expect they should arrive here within the next couple of days. Allow a little time for us to label them, and we should be shipping VERY soon. For those who may have forgotten, or who haven't seen the list, here is the list of initial colors: COLOURCOATS RN 01, AP507A COLOURCOATS RN 02, AP507B COLOURCOATS RN 03, AP507C COLOURCOATS RN 04, MS1 COLOURCOATS RN 05, MS2 COLOURCOATS RN 06, MS3 COLOURCOATS RN 07, B5 COLOURCOATS RN 08, WESTERN APPROACHES BLUE COLOURCOATS RN 09, WESTERN APPROACHES GREEN COLOURCOATS RN 10, WHITE COLOURCOATS US 01, #5 STANDARD NAVY GRAY COLOURCOATS US 02, #20 STANDARD DECK GRAY COLOURCOATS US 03, EARLY 1941 5-L LIGHT GRAY COLOURCOATS US 04, EARLY 1941 5-D DARK GRAY COLOURCOATS US 05, 5-H HAZE GRAY COLOURCOATS US 06, 5-O OCEAN GRAY COLOURCOATS US 07, 5-S SEA BLUE COLOURCOATS US 08, 5-N NAVY BLUE COLOURCOATS US 09, 5-B THAYER BLUE COLOURCOATS US 10, REVISED DECK BLUE 20-B COLOURCOATS US 11, FLIGHT DECK STAIN 21 COLOURCOATS US 12, 5-P PALE GRAY COLOURCOATS US 13, 1943 5-L LIGHT GRAY COLOURCOATS C 01, TEAK Finally, we mailed ten IJN colours to the supplier today for production.... John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: Kits for sale Shane: A friend of mine asked me to post a message listing several kits for sale: Ship Kits for Sale: Classic Warships USS North Carolina, 350 scale; $295. Classic Warships USS Salem, 350 scale; $295. Classic Warships USS Quincy, 350 scale; $190. Iron Shipwrights HMS Sirius, 350 scale; $100. If interested please contact Paul Cotcher at pcotcher@mindspring.com. Thanks, John Collins Atlanta, GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume