Subject: SMML VOL 1346 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 23:46:17 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: BlueJacket Wooden Warships 2: Re: Falklands Paint 3: Re: Falklands choppers 4: Enterprise - CV6 5: Bluejackets' possible kit 6: Plastic wish list 7: Destoyer Identification 8: brass cannons 9: falkland war helos & wish list 10: Re: Wooden Warship Kit Suggestions 11: Re: wood ship kits 12: Armament photo references 13: Wooden warship kit sugestions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Arizona kits have arrived 2: Toms 1/350 Arizona set 3: Tom Freeman - Pearl Harbor Prints 4: 1/400 Prnz Eugen etc.............. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: BillBramha@aol.com Subject: BlueJacket Wooden Warships I would like to second the suggestion for a Panay in this scale. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Chris Rogers Subject: Re: Falklands Paint Contact me off list and I can give you what you want for Seakings, Gazelle's Scout's ,Wasps, Wessex, chinook's, Puma's, FRS1 Gr3's Chris Rogers Oz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Paul Jordan Subject: Re: Falklands choppers >> Does any one know the name of the paint color that RN and RAF helicopters in the Falkland Islands War were painted in. -Also is there any decal sheets available for helicopters in the Falklands in 1/72 scale. << DITTO on Craig's RFI...but for 1/96 scale. My restoration of 1/96 HMS "Intrepid" ("Fearless Class") is going to need correctly scaled "choppers." I believe there is (was) a 1/100 Sea King Kit mentioned here previously. Can anyone please give me the name of the kit and indeed any other appropriate helicopter kits in this scale which might have been seen on the deck of "HMS Intrepid" during the Falklands War. Thank you Paul (Jordan) Victoria Model Shipbuilding Society Victoria, British Columbia, Canada http://members.home.net/vmss/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Enterprise - CV6 The Air Museum "Planes of Fame" in Chino, California has just broken ground for a new hangar to focus on Naval Aviation. It will be called the Enterprise Hangar, after the WWII carrier, and will primarily be about Naval avaiation in the Second World War. I have been asked to build or track down a model of CV6 for permanent exhibit in this hangar. The preferred scale is 1:350, but other scales are a possibility. There was an old injection kit or whatever scale and the more recent Tamiya kit in 1:700. If any of you has built such a model and is willing to donate it to the museum in exchange for mention in the exhibit and a tax break from Uncle Sam, please contact me off list, and we will discuss this further. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Phil M. Gollin" Subject: Bluejackets' possible kit I know you've just done a Gambier Bay, however an escort carrier used by both the USN and RN would be nice, i.e. the Bogues/Attackers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Phil M. Gollin" Subject: Plastic wish list Re. 1/700th scale - WEM have lots of lovelies announced, however I would add the aircraft carriers Ark Royal, Indomitable and Implacable, a Colony class cruiser, plus some WW2 escorts, such as the Black Swans. In 1/350th, likewise WEM (and ICM) have some lovelies announced, but HMS Ark Royal, HMS Renown, a County Class cruiser and Black Swan Sloops. One can dream. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Destoyer Identification I am trying to identify the destroyer featured in a photograph that I have received recently. I believe it to be a 'Thornycroft S Class' (Speedy, Tobago, Torbay, Toreador & Tourmaline) completed in 1918/19, primarily because it has two equal height funnels and the forward gun is mounted on a short shelter deck. The photograph also carries a 'John I Thornycroft & Co Limited' stamp, hence suggesting it is one of their construction. The pennant number is G36 but I cannot find a list of pennant numbers for these vessels. Any suggestions? Thanks Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: ZMzimmerman@cs.com Subject: brass cannons In 1/700th try Clipper's line available from Pacific Front and Hobby Link, Just got some today and they look very good. Michael Zimmerman (No I do not work for either company) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: falkland war helos & wish list I saw at a book store the other day that Osprey i think released a book on the Falklands war, & i think osprey does a great job with its art work..other than that buy a video & seeing it was pretty well covered by news programs from what i can re-call i think there were some excellent shots especially ofthe Sea Kings rescueing the crew off the Sheffield(?) , but im sure many of the wise people here would probably be better help Wish list: Im a 1/700 scale builder & WW2 is what i build...my wish list is to see a good range of the small navies eg Australia (i know WEM has Sydney/Kormoran kit thats next when I save up for it) , but also the NZ, India, Dutch , Polish, Yugoslav, just about the forgotten navies..im sure you can get a RN warship & just whack on some decals & call it a Indian navy corvette or RAN corvette, so if i got the kit with the special decals you know something about the ship & you dont have to buy a seperate kit & decals (if you know what i mean that buy extra market decals & then have to buy a plane or tank & end up with extra decals) well that ends my ramblings..guess i had better open a window more when i use spray paint & not reply to these things first thing in the morning! Have fun building Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Wooden Warship Kit Suggestions Well the votes seem to be piling up, you are going to have to do a Pre WWI or post ACW ironclad or two BTW someone mentioned the old 4 piper - How about an upgrade of that one to add a brass set and some redone fittings?? Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: wood ship kits >> USS Maine, AFAIK, never been a kit of one of the most famous ships in US history. << Discounting the old Lifelike/Pyro thing, there are two of them currently available. The 1/350 resin kit from ISW and the super detailed (and expensive) 1/192 scale kit also from ISW >> USS Olympia, lot's of history there too. << Two here also - The Revell reissue which is OK with a brass update set and the 1/350 resin kit also from ISW >> USS Texas, both WWII BB << Well there is the Viking kit - I can hear teeth gnashing in Oklahoma even as I write this :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Douglas Subject: Armament photo references I'm looking for some good, detailed photographic references for the following German guns: 3.7cm SK/C30 in Ubts. L. C/30 2cm C/30 auf 2cm Pivot L.30 8.8cm FlaK C/30 Does anyone know of a good website with photos of these weapons...or a good reference book? (I have "Anatomy of the Ship - the Type VII UBoat", but the line drawings leave much to be desired.) Thanks. Doug Bauer Poway, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Art Herrick" Subject: Wooden warship kit sugestions >> This is an informal survey. As many of you know, I do some kit design for BlueJacket Shipcrafters and want to make some suggestions for future kits. BlueJacket kits are traditional wooden kits (machine-carved basswood hulls; britannia, etched brass, and resin fittings) that require some carving, shaping, and sanding. 1/192 is the most common scale for BJ's naval kits and I'd like to stay with that scale unless you're suggesting small combatants (say, up to a 110' SC). Maintaining 1/192 allows the use of existing naval fittings, which is a plus from a manufacturing standpoint. << Al Ross and all you SMMLies, I notice that a number of replies to your survey have suggested the, 1927, 600 ft, 10,000 ton, Treaty Cruiser USS CHICAGO, might be a good subject. This was originally a Boucher Playthings Mfg. Corp. (BPMC), 1:192 ship model kit, and is shown in their 1934 catalog ... "This is one of the latest types of modern warships". She is a handsome warship with her sleek hull, gun turrets,tripod masts and aircraft catapults amidships. I agree that she might make a great up-dated BJSC kit re-release ... at 1:192 makes a 37 1/2" long x 11 1/2" high model. It should be noted that in 1971 Peyton Lewis, the then owner of Boucher Ship Models (BSM), sold the company's kit component to Art Montgomery, and the new company became the BlueJacket Ship Crafter's (BJSC) that we know today, with a series of new owners along the way, the last being in October 2000. I have a small collection of Boucher kit drawings, and when I pulled the USS CHICAGO drawings, 4 sheets, I saw a note ... "Traced by Charles G. Davis (no date)." These drawings are fairly detailed, for their time, and knowing Davis's drafting style, I suspect Davis traced the kit drawings from US Navy plans, as he had access to the US Navy Construction and Repair office, at that time. A miniature of Davis's kit profile drawing appeared in the 1934 BPMC and then the BJSC catalogs till at least 1972, and the kit was listed as still available, in a modified form in the BJSC 1979 catalog, but not illustrated. All old kit drawings ceased to be available from BJSC's catalog after 1992. For a kit to remain on the market for 45 years, she must have been a popular subject. It is interesting that the CHICAGO kit sold for $52 in 1934, in the middle of the great depression (plans, a white pine hull blank glued up with center and waterline and bandsawed to profile and plan view shape, and a set of fittings.) Hold onto your hat! ... in today's dollars that is $668 ... I am sure BJSC could give us a better price, for an updated modern kit. (www.westegg.com/inflation/ for Inflation Calculator) The USS CHICAGO was lost 29 Jan. 1943 during the Battle of Rennell Island, south of Guadacanal, when a concentration of Japanese torpedo bomber attacks resulted in her taking six hits. With her 16 year history a modeler could, based on a BJSC kit, and with some research, model her anytime in her peacetime or WW 2 configurations. While I had the BPMC 1934 catalog out, I took a look at what other steel navy subjects were listed and picked four interesting subjects from the end of the 1800's: - The Protected Cruiser, USS CHICAGO, commissioned 1889, 325 ft OAL. Scale 1:192 - Model 21" long. Originally rigged as auxiliary Bark. Model shows her later on after her tophamper was removed and she became a pure steam powered warship. In 1889, when she was built, they still did not trust steam power. - Battleship No. 3 USS OREGON (USS Indiana Class), commissioned 1896, 344 ft OAL. Scale 1:96 - Model 43" long. She is well known for her memorable voyage from San Francisco to Santiago, Cuba, to join the American fleet, during the Spanish American War, and came around Cape Horn unescorted. - Torpedo Boat Destroyer USS J. B. Winslow, No. 5. Commissioned 1894, 160 OAL. Scale 1:48 - Model 40" long. A slick looking vessel. - Destroyer USS DECATUR DD 5, Commissioned 1902, 312 ft OAL. Scale 1:96 - Model 39" long. A prelude to the WW 1 "four piper" destroyers. Two more potential model subjects that have been mentioned in SMML messages and would make great kit subjects: - 110 ft, WW 1, wooden hulled, Subchasers, SC 1 to SC 448 (1917/1919), which was offered in the 1934 BPMC catalog. Scale 1:48 - Model 27 1/2" OAL. As a young boy of 13, in 1941/1942, I scratch built a model of SC 86, using a $1.00 Boucher kit drawing ... I could not afford the $19.50 kit!! My picture with the model appeared in the Boston Daily Globe on 1 Feb. 1942 and really gave a young model shipwright's hobby a big boost! I can vividly remember working on the SC model in the early afternoon of Sunday, 7 Dec. 1941, the radio was on, and I heard the first announcement of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Our family was shocked, because we had relatives in the Hawaiian Islands Would love to see an updated re-release of the SC kit. If you have noticed in the SMML messages, three of us, as a team, have been chasing details on the WW 1 SCs, for the last seven months. - Yesterday, in a SMML message, Steve Bryson suggested the Yangtze River Gunboat USS PANAY PR 5 as a potential wooden kit, but there already is a 1:192 resin kit available from Iron Shipwright. A finished model from this kit can be seen on the www.steelnavy.com click on Photo Gallery, then Transports, Merchant Ships & Auxiliaries, scroll down to USS PANAY for Bob Santos's model of her. In 1999 and early 2000 when Bob Santos built this resin kit model, I offered to fill him in on some technical information on PANAY that the kit and it's instructions lacked. At the time I requested that Bob not say that I offered assistance, because our correspondence ended up with a 3/8" thick file folder, and I did not want to repeat this effort again. The file is not in shape for general distribution. The USS PANAY,built and commissioned at Shanghai in 1928, and the US Navy's Yangtze River Patrol in China on which she served, is rich with US Naval history. She was attacked and sunk by Japanese aircraft on 12 Dec. 1937, 28 miles north of Nanking, China, the first US Navy ship to be sunk by enemy aircraft, in a combat situation. It was only a few days short of four years later, when on 7 Dec. 1941 the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor ... some say PANAY's sinking was a prelude to Pearl Harbor. The Japanese said at the time ... "So sorry a big mistake." No!! ... history says the attack was deliberate! PANAY was 191 ft OAL making a model 11 15/16" long at 1:192. My suggestion is that a wooden kit, with fittings and a PE set, would better be done at 1:96, making a model 23 7/8" OAL, or even ideally at 1:64, making a model 35 13/16" AOL. I have both a 1:192 and 1:48 scratch built model in progress. Al ... hope I have been informative for the SMMLies, and it helps your imput from the group. Art Herrick Westmoreland NH Member: Nautical Research Guild USS CONSTITUTION Model Shipwright Guild Yangtze River Patrol Assoc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: AAA Hobby Supply Subject: Arizona kits have arrived The Arizona kits are here! The people who have pre-ordered and paid will have theirs shipped today, Wed., 8/8 The $25 website price will still be honored while stock last in light of the impending price increase. The total price will be $31.50. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Tom & Carolyn Harrison" Subject: Toms 1/350 Arizona set Now that the Banner Arizona kit is available we have started shipping our brass detail set. Set 3528 is available at $20. It contains parts for the 41 Arizona only, cranes, catapults, flag booms and more. The rails have been designed to fit the kits individual parts, decks, bridge levels, platforms etc. the rails designed to fit the a specific place and part on the kit. By doing the rails in this manor, the rail stanchions will fall in the right place to eliminate piecing rails together. My web site: www.tomsmodelworks.com will have the set up by the end of the week. Any set purchased directly for us will also contain a small resin parts set with over 50 small detailing parts (skylights, raised deck hatches, equipment lockers, chocks etc.) that can be simply glued to the kit to add missing detail. We will also be offering additional conversion kits for the Banner Arizona that have been designed to either improve or add missing detail. We hope to have all these conversion sets available by the end of the month. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: DRPREUL@aol.com Subject: Tom Freeman - Pearl Harbor Prints There has been several inquires whether or not Tom Freeman is going to release any of the paintings from the Pearl Harbor book that was recently released well, no limited edition prints will be available but the painting of the Oklahoma rolling over (the cover of the book) is available as a giclee (only 25 will be available) A true collectable signed and numbered. They will be offered at $900.00 apiece. They are now available from J&D Productions, 410-626-8850 or E-mail at jdproduct@aol.com These went on the market today only 24 left, don't delay Thanks Don Preul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: 1/400 Prnz Eugen etc.............. We are having a sale at The Naval Base for SMML'ers we have the 1/400 Prinz Eugen, Scharnhorst & Gneisenau on sale till Monday for 33.95 plus shipping. Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume