Subject: SMML VOL 1347 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 01:23:28 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Testors Dullkote flat finish 2: Re: Wish List 3: Re: Sea kings in 1/100 4: Re: Falklands Choppers 5: A Simple Question 6: Re: Destroyer Identification 7: Re: USS PANAY model 8: Building advice - 1/700 scale 9: Wooden Warship 10: Bluejacket model kit survey 11: Destroyer identification 12: Re: Destoyer Identification 13: Destroyer Identification 14: Re: 1/96th scale R.N. Helicopters 15: Re: Destroyer Identification 16: Re: Falklands choppers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Festival of the Sea ticket telephone number correction -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: International Maritime Modeling August 2001 Update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: Testors Dullkote flat finish >> I have to wonder what the sprayer did???? I have models that are 30 and 40 years old with a coat of Testors Dull-Kote (at leat I think it was Testors, that's what I usually use) on them and they look like new. << My experience is identical to Bob Santos'. I've been airbrushing Floquil for 35 years or so, and found back then that Testors Dullkote produced a flatter (dead flat when airbrushed and thinned 50% with Dio-sol, Floquil's thinner) finish than Floquil's own brand of flat finish. None (that is, not one) of those models exhibit any signs of discoloring or yellowing. I'm very comfortable airbrushing Dullcote, I'd guess. Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild Tin Can Sailors IPMS/USA #3345 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Peter Chant" Subject: Re: Wish List Surely after this month we could get Caroline and John to do a 1/700 HMS Warrior! Peter Chant Plymouth UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Darren Subject: Re: Sea kings in 1/100 >> DITTO on Craig's RFI...but for 1/96 scale. My restoration of 1/96 HMS "Intrepid" ("Fearless Class") is going to need correctly scaled "choppers." I believe there is (was) a 1/100 Sea King Kit mentioned here previously. Can anyone please give me the name of the kit and indeed any other appropriate helicopter kits in this scale which might have been seen on the deck of "HMS Intrepid" during the Falklands War. << Paul, Tamiya did the 1/100 Sea King a long while ago, it hasn't been seen in NA for many years. Revell Germany did some as well at a later date, and again they are long gone. However, recently I was in Buffalo and came across a couple that were from Japan in the black and white Tamiya boxes with YEN price tags. It seems that they are still available in Japan and these were a one time fluke over stock from the distributors. I bought them and don't wish to sell, but maybe you can find someone in Japan to have a look for you. Darren Scannell Bowmanville, ON -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Peter Hall Subject: Re: Falklands Choppers Hello Craig, Speaking from my experiences at the time, the paint schemes used on the aircraft serving in the Falklands in 1982 were variations of a standard scheme. The basic RN colour was RAF Blue Grey on ASW Seakings and Wasps with any white markings painted in black to reduce visbility. With the exception of the national marking which were changed to the low viz Red/ Blue types of roundel. There were no roundels on the undersides or top sufaces of any of the helicopters as far as I was aware. The RN Lynx were in the process of being changed to Dark Sea Grey which was hurried along. The Red/Blue roundels again used. The Harriers originally wore an Extra Dark Sea Grey / White paint scheme but as all white was painted out. Those that had their undersides painted in Extra Dark Sea Grey looked really gruesome, appearing almost black at first sight. There were some that were given the all over in Dark Sea Grey which was then adopted as a standard scheme for a while. Again Red / Blue roundels only smaller this time. One squadron that was sent later and then sent back again on HMS Illustrious was 809 NAS. They had a Light Admiralty Grey paint scheme with Pastel Blue / Pink roundels and squadron emblems on the tail. There was also some rude nose art done as well but we won't go into that. The Seaking and Wessex Commando squadrons were in an all over Olive drab scheme which was standard for the day. The Marines would have a variation of it using a light gray mottling effect. The RAF helicopter were in Grey/Green camo pattern as the standard RAF scheme of the day with Black undersides. One thing that did change the appearance of the overall colour of some of the aircraft was the application of Waxoil to the surfaces inside and out as a protection against corrosion. This was done instead of the normal application of WD40 as a water repelent because of the severe weather conditions encountered. As it aged, it yellowed and gave Blue/Grey finishes a greenish tinge. Not to be confused with the Olive Drab schemes that were in use on the Commando squadrons. Hope this has been of help. Peter Hall WEM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Malcolm N. Waite" Subject: A Simple Question Hi All A simple question struck me the other day. What's the point of designing different camouflage patterns for each side of a ship? Malcolm Waite Liverpool UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Peter Hall Subject: Re: Destroyer Identification Hi Les, I have a photograph of Tourmaline, in March's British Destroyers, that fits your description apart from the number which is D83. Could this have been changed at some stage?? All the best Peter Hall -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: USS PANAY model >> In 1999 and early 2000 when Bob Santos built this resin kit model, I offered to fill him in on some technical information on PANAY that the kit and it's instructions lacked. At the time I requested that Bob not say that I offered assistance, because our correspondence ended up with a 3/8" thick file folder, and I did not want to repeat this effort again. The file is not in shape for general distribution. << Thanks a MILLION Art!!!!!!!!! That model would have been a lot less detailed and accurate without your much appreciated help. I have been busting at the seams to give you credit but could not do so until now that YOU have spilled the beans. again.....THANK YOU ART HERRICK!!!!!!!! A true gentleman and a man who REALLY KNOWS USS PANAY. Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Charles McCreary Subject: Building advice - 1/700 scale Hello to all, I am seeking advice from as many people as I can on a project I'm about to start. I bought (on a whim) the Hasegawa kit of the U.S.S. Alabama because I wanted to try something different from the Heller and Tamiya large scale kits I've done in the past. As I studied the kit, I realized that when I add in the photo etch set, I'll have some very delicate sub-assemblies that will complicate painting and finishing. How would you suggest I proceed? How have you built up small scale kits with photo etch sets? I especially curious because if successful, I'd like to try a cruiser or even a destroyer in a similar manner. Thanks in advance, Charles McCreary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Doug Wilde" Subject: Wooden Warship I have to agree with Art Herrick on torpedo boats and other vessels. I recently bought a copy of the Winslow TB, drawn 1/4" scale. Would be "easy" to produce a relatively detailed model. Just a toothpick of a boat and love those sterns. Perhaps BJS could satisfy two audiences with one kit. In the mid- to late-1890s the US Navy still was producing gunboats (nos. 10, 11, 12, & 13) that sported 3 masts and spread 11,253 square feet of sail. It would provide a nice addition to either a steel fleet collection or sail collection. Back to Winslow: anyone have references for Winslow and other torpedo boats of that era? Doug Wilde -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Bruce and Tracy" Subject: Bluejacket model kit survey I would love to see one of the civil war are steam sloops. A USS Kearsarge model would be nice the Revell one has't been available for years and the old kits that sometimes appear on EBAy sell for high prices (Last week one sold on ebay for $280 !! And it does not represent the ship as she appeared during the war but in the 188o's. The CSS Alabama does not actually follow the lines of the ship either waht coming out with the pair of them in 192nd scale? Theirs was the most famous ship to ship action of the Civil War after the Monitor and VIrginnia. But perhaps a different one such as the beautiful USS Lackawanna. A picture can be found on page 102 of Donald Canney's book The Old Steam Navy Vol. one. I would also suggest something like one of the double turreted monitors perhaps the Milwaukee? Or the Miantonomoh? Or the Onondaga? How about the USS Cairo the ironclad river gunboat (one of the city class ironclads) which was sunk by a mine. It was discovered and raised in the 1960's and is on display at the Vicksburg battle field. See chapter five, page 47 and following of Vol. 2 of Old Steam Navy by Canney. Also, what about a 192nd scale Monitor and VIrginnia? The New Ironsides? What about one of the double enders such as the Winooski one of the Sassacus class? See page 118 of Old Steam Navy Vol. 1, by Donald Canney. What about one of the early paddle wheel steam tugs? The first USS Texas of the Spanish American War? The HMS Agincourt of WWI dreadnought with 14 heavy guns! Well, it's dangerous to ask ship modlers for a wish list! But thanks and I will look forward to Bluejacket's decisions in this matter. Good Luck! and thanks for asking. Bruce Brotherton Clinton, Oklahoma -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Mike Potter Subject: Destroyer identification Jane's Fighting Ships 1919, p. 102, has a builder's photograph of HMS Speedy wearing pennant G36. What do RN pennant letters and numbers signify? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: George Colleen Ian Hargreaves Subject: Re: Destoyer Identification Hi, Janes' of 1919 has a picture of G36 identifed as HMS Speedy. Cheers, George -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: brian selzler Subject: Destroyer Identification Hi Les, The Thornycroft "S" boat with pennant G36 is shown in a photo in the 1919 Jane's as being the Speedy. regards, Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Chris Preston" Subject: Re: 1/96th scale R.N. Helicopters Revell (Germany?) made a 1/100th scale kit of the Sea King, in USN service, which I believe is still available. Also, Sirmar, in England, produced a 1/96th scale Westland Lynx, in resin. I think I still have a kit of the Sea King buried away somewhere. It's not a bad kit, and can be converted into an RN, (or RCN) aircraft, without too much work. As for colour schemes for the Falklands Campaign, I have that somewhere, as well, and can dig it out if you get stuck. Hope this helps. Chris Preston, Victoria, B.C. Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Ron Hillsden" Subject: Re: Destroyer Identification Good Eye! Jane's Fighting Ships of WW1 has a photo (credited to Thornycroft) of Speedy bearing pennant G36. Bonus question 1 for the list: When did the RN paint this style of pennant number on destroyers? Just in WW1 hostilities? I have some photos of WW1 destroyers without a painted pennant number. I also came across pictures of sisters Tobago wearing G61 and Tourmaline wearing D83. Bonus question 2. Speedy's sister Toreador was pennant F6A, but it was not painted on the hull. I presume the alpha-numeric-alpha pennant number was replaced by the alpha-numeric-numeric? If anyone had a book with the WW1 pennant numbers, would you mind looking up Toreador? Ta. Ron Hillsden Victoria BC Canada Club: http://members.home.net/vmss/ Flags: http://members.home.net/ron-hillsden/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: Falklands choppers Dear Craig, I beleive the colour used for Royal Navy helicopters is simply helicopter green or helicopter drab. It is available from Hannant's in their Extracolor range. The paint in my tin is a very attractive rich warm green with a golden brown sort of cast to it, IMHO much prettier than olive drab. Hannant's address is:- Harbour Road Oulton Broad Lowestoft Suffolk United Kingdom Tel 01502 517444 Fax 01502 500521 Their mail order system is very efficient, but I don't know if they ship internationally. Regards David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Festival of the Sea ticket telephone number correction For anyone who has yet to order their FOTS tickets, the number given in SMML 1343 omitted a digit. The correct number is 08705 505040 for individuals, 08705 949494 for groups. Costs are given as (adult) GBP18 for one day, GBP30 for two, GBP45 for three and GBP54 for four, although the FOTS website mysteriously says that the fourth day is free if you pay for three days. Robert Lockie Swindon UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: International Maritime Modeling August 2001 Update I am pleased to announce the August 2001 update to International Maritime Modeling. http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm This month's update is dedicated to liner/merchant ship subjects. I have some special additions in this month's update as you will see. IMM will return to the general format in September. The August 2001 update to the site includes: Photos of Robert Bendorf's 1/600 scale SS United States, Carl Erickson's 1/600 SS Statendam, Bruce Johnston's 1/60 scale Red Dragon Chinese Junk, Alan Raven's 1/192 Scale RMS Aquitania, RMS Queen Mary and RMS Mauretania 2, Donald Stoltenberg's 1/600 scale SS Normandie and my 1/350 scale SS Linden in the Gallery. Review of the Artesania Latina 1/60 scale Red Dragon Chinese Junk, the Iron Shipwright 1/350 scale USS Vestal, the Toltoys/Caltex 1/350 scale Empress of Australia and an update to a buildup review of the Iron Shipwright 1/350 scale Army LT Tug in Quick Kit Reviews. Updated the Heller and Iron Shipwright pages in the Kit List Page. Updated the Model Ship Journal with the latest issue. Related updates to the Links page. Please stop by for a look. Regards, Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling URL: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume