Subject: SMML VOL 1354 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:52:30 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Looking for USS Talladega transport ship in 1/350 or 1/720 2: Re: US Navy Declares War against Boston Police! 3: Re: First Model 4: LCI Model 5: Re: First Time Modeler 6: Re: US Navy Declares War against Boston Police! 7: Bad at names - but love his work 8: APA 208 Talladega 9: Re: First Time Modeler 10: warped resin 11: To the Navy's Ranks, Add Webmaster 12: cyanoacrylate 13: arozona kits 14: 1/72nd Gato Sub Prop Size Question 15: Anatomy of the Ship 16: HMAS Brisbane 17: Re: First time modeler 18: thanks 19: Van on Enterprise 20: Varyag -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Queensland Model Hobbies Expo - One week to go! 2: Lift needed for IFOS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: MODEL OF USS TALLADEGA 2: WSW/B-Resina kits from the company formerly known as Rocky Mountain Shipyard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "hugh1lottie2" Subject: Re: Looking for USS Talladega transport ship in 1/350 or 1/720 >> The USS Talladega is a transport ship. Designation APA 208, much like the troop transports that hauled the men from England to Normandy and in the Pacific to launch the landing craft to the beaches. This one was around from '44 I think until it was scrapped shortly after Vietnam. The Hull Class was Haskel, which if memory serves me was designation APA 117. I'm more or less looking for anything remotely close to the ship. The rest will end up being scratch built. << Hi Mike, The answer to your question is "yes" if 1/700 is ok. Loose cannon has a Haskell class APA in that scale and is available from Colpar Hobbies in Denver Colorado. It is a complete kit and no extra brass is needed, just paint and glue. The only other Haskell class is the old Revell kit and it is box scale and not readly available now. Hugh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: AJOWENS@aol.com Subject: Re: US Navy Declares War against Boston Police! >> Just some interesting stuff.... Sunday the USS CONSTITUTION was performing a turn around cruise as Cmdr. Foster (Boston SmmlieCon 2000 attendees may remember him) was turning over command to his sucessor. As the ship proceeded to fire a salute, it was discovered too late that someone had left the Tampion in the starboard saluting cannon. The Tampion hit, and holed, an escorting policeboats' bow, just above the waterline at a range of approx 100 yds. << And there is absolutely no truth to the rumour that the gun captain had received a traffic citation recently! ;^> A.J. Owens -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: First Model I think the answer is obvious - get hiM one of the older Revell models (the re-issues) like we are started out on - You can't really screw those up too much and if he gets glue all over it so what - I will bet you once it is done (in any condition) he will be proud of it and proud that he did it with you! Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: LCI Model Hi All, A fellow I know (not a modeler) is interested in giving his dad a model of his ship, an LCI. (#1022 to be exact). I've seen here mention of a a kit by Lindberg. If anyone knows where one can be obtained or has one they would part with for a resonable sum, please contact me off list. Many will remember the nightmarish story during the last holiday season, told by John Sheridan when he built and delivered a built up Classic Warships, USS Salem, in about five weeks. John, I now know first hand what you went through. I just finished last night the second of two Salems, the Cases arrived this morning and delivery is tomorrow. Whew! John Frohock USNSM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: First Time Modeler >> ALL, A LITTLE ADVICE PLEASE. I AM ABOUT TO EMBARK ON TEACHING MY SIX YEAR OLD GRANDSON TO BUILD KITS. HOW DOES ONE FORTIFY ONESELF FOR THIS VENTURE? I HAVE CONSIDERED A BOTTLE OF CANADIAN CLUB, BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM A VIABLE OPTION. << David, Skip the booze and invest in Bandaids. But seriously, I suggest you de-tech your toolbox and ensure you have a supply of nail clippers and emery boards - raid the cosmetics section of a drugstore. Kit-wise, think high-simplicity and quickly finishable, since a first-timer will get more happiness from the satisfaction of completion than the action of the kit building. Especially for beginning modelers, the good fit of the kit is essential. This is no time to become frustrated with a poorly engineered kit. "Snap-tite" may mean pegs that don't fit smoothly into holes because the engineer was more interested in the model staying together than going together. When my son was in the beginning stages, I found very few trends within single manufacturer's products. Revell's "Desk Top" aircraft were of the most uniformly high quality. Glue-wise, old Lindberg kits were best for us. Good luck, Rick Heinbaugh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: schiefet@cs.com Subject: Re: US Navy Declares War against Boston Police! Thanks to the Gunner's Mate who took revenge on the Boston PD. That one was for all the White Hats who were hassled by the Boston PD when their ships were in Charlestown (yours truely included). Steve Singlar Pelham, NH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Bad at names - but love his work >> I think you mean Tom Harrison, not me. Although I consider it a distinct honor to be confused with Tom & his fine work! << Yeah - to both Toms, my apologies. Ever since I was a kid and my grandmother insisted on calling me Sam (I was her only grandson) - then at 21 learning that I was really somebody else (a long story), I have had trouble with names. But not with appreciating great Brass goodies. Tom Harrison puts out great brass, at great prices - Tom Dougherty puts out great advice - for free. Both are real assets to this list, even if I can't tell them apart without my reading glasses ... Sigh Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Robert Morris" Subject: APA 208 Talladega The Revell model of Montrose APA 212 would do. It's 14.5 inches long. That comes out 1/377. The model is flat bottom waterline type. Robert Morris North Benton OH USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Mike Dassele" Subject: Re: First Time Modeler >> I AM ABOUT TO EMBARK ON TEACHING MY SIX YEAR OLD GRANDSON TO BUILD KITS. HOW DOES ONE FORTIFY ONESELF FOR THIS VENTURE << By keeping your eye on the prize -- enhancing your relationship with your grandson and allowing him to feel the joy of creation. I've been "working" with my 2+ yr old grandson on those little wooden dinosaur bone kits ($1.00 ea at Harbor Freight) and he loves 'em. Maybe we'll tackle the Tamiya Enterprise next year! Save the CC for after a session! Good luck. Mike Dassele -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Allanparry Subject: warped resin I am building a 1/500 IJN TAIHO from the resin kit produced by 'Nihon-kanntei-hozon-kai'. Unfortunately some of the longer hull and flight deck pieces are warped. Can anyone advize on a method to 'unwarp' these pieces? Thanks, Allan Parry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: To the Navy's Ranks, Add Webmaster http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/16/technology/circuits/16NAVY.html?rd=hcmcp?p=03e5B03e1y46F0r012000mzlRWzlNJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "resolution" Subject: cyanoacrylate does anyone use the cyanoacrylate with the brush? I find it a lot easier than the tube, just cut all bar a few hairs and bingo easy to apply glue. the only problem is after a while it goes to jelly and refuses to stick, is this caused by too much air contact. Richard Baker www.resolution.ic24.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Harry Gilday" Subject: arozona kits does anybody know which arozona [1/350 scale] kit is the better quality [the banner kit or the trumpeter kit] and are they motorized.? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Teliczan Tom Civ 15 SVS/SVF Subject: 1/72nd Gato Sub Prop Size Question Aloha from Hawaii Am trying to work on a 1/72nd vac Gato Class sub. Could someone w/a bit of a math background plze give me the approximate diameter in USA inches for her screws? Close enuff would be more than good enuff! Thank you! v/r Tomt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Anatomy of the Ship FYI - The latest book catalog from the Columbia Trading Company in Hyannis, MA (www.columbiatrading.com) lists quite a few of the elusive out of print "Anatomy of the Ship" titles, at an average price of US$45, for those willing to lay out that kind of cash. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Dave Shirlaw Subject: HMAS Brisbane HMAS Brisbane: A Capital Gift for Queensland Canberra August 17, 2001 - The Liberal-National Government will gift a 34 year Naval veteran of the Vietnam and Gulf Wars to the people of Queensland, the Minister Assisting the Minister for Defence, Bruce Scott, announced today. Mr Scott announced the gifting of HMAS Brisbane to Queensland, as the last of the Royal Australian Navy's guided missile destroyers sailed up the Brisbane River on her final goodwill visit to the city that shares her name. "HMAS Brisbane has proudly served Australia throughout more than 30 years distinguished Naval service and holds the distinction of being the only RAN unit, currently in commission, to have served in two wars," Mr Scott said. "HMAS Brisbane had two tours off Vietnam and was part of the Australian task force during the 1990/91 Gulf War. "She made her first visit to the City of Brisbane, marked by a Freedom of Entry March, in 1968 and I am proud to say this five day visit, her last as a commissioned ship of the RAN, will not be her last to Queensland waters. "In view of HMAS Brisbane's unique military history and significance to Queensland, the Minister for Defence, Peter Reith, has asked the Premier of Queensland to examine options for the preservation of HMAS Brisbane as a floating memorial. If this is not viable to the Queensland Government the obvious choice is for HMAS Brisbane to be sunk as a dive-wreck. "The Queensland Premier has already indicated his strong support to sink HMAS Brisbane off Queensland's Sunshine Coast for use as a recreational dive-wreck, and I am also aware of other parties who have indicated a willingness to preserve the ship on and above water. The Australian War Memorial in Canberra has also expressed an interest in obtaining items of equipment and structure from HMAS Brisbane. "Mr Scott said he was conscious of the high costs involved in preserving a warship and indicated that if preservation of the whole ship was not feasible, then the Commonwealth would seek to remove significant parts of the vessel for the Australian War Memorial and City of Brisbane, with the hulk being sunk as a recreational dive wreck off the Sunshine Coast as originally proposed by the Queensland Premier. "This is the first time that a gift of this type has been presented to Queensland by the Federal Government and it is fitting that all options be thoroughly considered before HMAS Brisbane's final resting-place is determined." An announcement on whether HMAS Brisbane is to be preserved after naval service, or sunk as a dive-wreck, will be made in the next few months, Mr Scott said. HMAS Brisbane, a Charles F. Adams Class DDG, was built by the Defoe Shipbuilding Company in the USA, and commissioned into the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) on 16 December 1967. Although its main task is air defence of the fleet, the ship has also significant surface and shore bombardment gunnery and anti-missile capabilities. The air defence system is based on the Standard Missile System and its associated high-definition radars for medium-range anti-air warfare (AAW). Supporting the ship's onboard missile system are two five-inch (127mm) automatic rapid fire guns, machine guns, two sets of anti-submarine torpedoes and, for self-defence, the ship can be fitted with a pair of Vulcan close-in-weapon systems (CIWS) to provide protection against missiles, such as Exocet. Brisbane has maintained its capability over its 34 years of service to Australia through a series of upgrades and modernization that have enabled the ship to remain in frontline service until decommissioning in October 2001. The improvements made to BRISBANE over time include a new RAN-designed communications system, the fitting of a chaff decoy system to confuse incoming missiles, an improved Naval Combat Data System, upgraded gunnery and radars, the capability to launch Harpoon anti-ship missiles, the fitting of military satellite communications (SATCOM), an Electro-Optical Tracking System (EOTS) and new rigid inflatable boats. Brisbane is the second Australian ship to bear the name, the first being a First World War light cruiser, which served the RAN from 1916 until its disposal in 1935. In 2001, Brisbane decommissions and will celebrate its 34 years of service with a number of ceremonies, the 'Freedom of Entry' march on 18 August being one of them. Brisbane first exercised its right on the 18th October 1968, being the first ship to exercise this honor. Brisbane has since exercised this right in five subsequent marches. During its 34-year service Brisbane visited its namesake city no less than 23 times, has steamed over one million nautical miles and experienced numerous tours of duty in South East Asian and Pacific region. Highlights have included two tours of Vietnam in 1969 and 1971, where she served with distinction, Cyclone Tracey clean-up operations, attendance at the Queens Silver Jubilee in Great Britain in 1977, and two deployments to the north-west Indian Ocean in 1981 and 1984 in support of USN Operations during the Tanker War in the Persian Gulf. More recently the ship conducted operations with the Multi National Naval Forces in the Persian Gulf conflict. HMAS Brisbane remains the last RAN ship to have fired its guns in anger in Vietnam, and is the only RAN unit currently in commission to have served in two wars. While Brisbane is the last steam powered ship in the RAN, its decommissioning will herald the passing of the Guided Missile Destroyer class that, in the 1960s, embraced new technology and brought the RAN into the missile age. No.: 41 Name: BRISBANE Laid Down: 5 February 1965 Launched: 5 May 1966 Commissioned: 16 December 1967 Builder: Defoe Shipbuilding Co, USA Displacement: 4,720 tonnes Length: 133.2 meters Beam: 4.3 meters Armament: Two 5-inch rapid fire guns, Standard anti-air missile system, two Vulcan Phalanx close-in-weapon systems, two triple-mount torpedo tubes, .5-caliber machine guns. Machinery: Two GE geared steam turbines driving two shafts, producing 70,000 shaft horsepower. Speed: 35 knots Ship Company: 313 (normal) Cost at build: $45 Million including spares and ammunition Dave Shirlaw Editor, Seawaves Magazine www.seawaves.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Sanders, Talmadge FC1" Subject: Re: First time modeler I Sat my three boys down the week before I left on WEST PAC and built models with them. My 5 year old built a Lindberg Titanic and my eight and ten year olds split the Revell Doolittle raid set ( B-25 and Yorktown ) It does take a lot of glue!! but I took pictures of them with their models, Boy were they Happy!!!!(BTW I built a B-2 Stealth bomber for fun (shame on me) with them!) The models sat on their dressers for about a week until after I left on the cruise then the oldest decided it would be a good idea to re-create the raid, first on the 5 year olds Titanic then the swimming pools duck (chlorine dispenser) then My wife tells me the bomber made passes at the ship that launched it! Have fun with them while they are young, It doesn't last long!!!! VR FC1 (sw) T E "Sandy" Sanders Combat Systems Dept LPO USS Princeton CG-59 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Mithrand@aol.com Subject: thanks just a quick thank you to all those who contacted me re: oxford model shops, i should have no problems in locating them thanks to the excellent directions. happy modelling Roy Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Schiefet@cs.com Subject: Van on Enterprise It has been surprisingly difficult to get info on this van. However, here is a message from a former RM1 who was associated with the van. I am still checking. >> Hello Arnie. Strange you should ask about that van because you got the right guy. ha. That was a mobile army unit I cant recall what the Army called the thing but is was a Radio Direction Finder (RDF) self inclosed in this van and the whole thing mounted on the back of a truck. It was brought aboard in Pearl and I cant remember the year but I think it was in 44 sometime. It came aboard with our first night airgroup and was to be kind of a backup assist for the radar systems to keep track of our airplanes. I was one of the watch standers out there and can remember it well. It was only aboard for a short while - maybe 2 or 3 sorties and as I recall didn't play a significant part in our night operations. Tom << Steve Pelham, NH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Dave Shirlaw Subject: Varyag I noted in a hobby shop last weekend that there is a plastic model kit of the Varyag available showing her in a completed state. Unfortunately, tugboat and Turkish bureaucrats were not included to make it truly authentic. Dave Shirlaw Editor, Seawaves Magazine www.seawaves.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Weier Subject: Queensland Model Hobbies Expo - One week to go! Hi guys, Just a last notice to Australian members about the Queensland Model Hobbies Expo, which this year will be held: 25-26 August Brisbane Table Tennis Association Centre 86 Green Terrace, Windsor Brisbane, Australia All the usual model show features - Trade stands Club Displays Raffles Qld Scale Modelling Championship Demonstrations ..as much modelling talk as you can stand Contest entry forms and further information from myself at sdw[at]qld.mim.com.au (Actually - the show isn't restricted to Aussies, several times in the last 4 years we've had international visitors carrying off armfulls of kits and pocketsfull of awards!) Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "graham and melanie" Subject: Lift needed for IFOS Hi can any body who is attending the IFOS Barbie help John out he needs a lift to it, at the moment he is at sea at the bequest of the "Andrew". You ccan email him at his ships e-mail address 278@A.DII.MOD.UK "just put for attention of CPO(M) CURRIE." >> We are at sea at present and get into Portsmouth on the 21st ready for IFOS, I hope to see you there, i am available to attend the SMMLIE barbecue but do not have transport, so could you please possibly stick a request in the SMML for me for a lift from and back to Portsmouth on the Friday, i will sleep onboard that night, could you let Caroline know i will attend lift dependant. << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "lcp9" Subject: Re: MODEL OF USS TALLADEGA Mike, LOOSE CANNON PRODUCTIONS at: LCP9@MSN.COM , sells a 1/700 resin model of the HASKELL class transport. The cost is $50.00 US plus shipping. It's available direct from us here at LCP or at Pacific Front Hobbies if you wish to use a credit card. A built up review of this kit is on the Steel Navy website. www.steelnavy.com There is also a larger injected kit from Revell, usually sold as the USS MONTROSE. It's one of their 50's era flat bottom boat kits. Hope this helps, David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: rms Subject: WSW/B-Resina kits from the company formerly known as Rocky Mountain Shipyard Greetings! Please check out our web site for great prices on WSW and B-Resina resin ship kits: www.wic.net/~rms/ We have updated the site to reflect the new kits available. I will place a purchase order on 24 August. Kits have been arriving about three weeks later. Also available are the Snyder & Short naval paint chip sets. They have not yet been added to our web site, but will be soon. Questions? Please contact me off list: rms@wic.net Thanks! Lisa D. 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