Subject: SMML VOL 1356 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:07:19 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: HMAS Brisbane 2: Mobile & HMAS Brisbane 3: "Unrealistic" paint job 4: Re: Shops in Mobile, Alabama? 5: unrealistic paint jobs 6: HMS Tiger, post WWII 7: USS Constitution's Cannons 8: Re: Places of interest in Mobile, Ala. 9: USS Alabama is in Mobile 10: Re: "Unrealistic" paint job, Enjoying the Hobby 101 ASAE 11: Re: Enterprise book back in print 12: Re: "Unrealistic" paint job 13: Re: Soviet Submarine Models in 1/400 scale 14: Unrealistic paint job 15: Dust Jacket Painting 16: Re: "Unrealistic" paint job 17: Re: USS Enterprise CVN-65 18: Re: "Unrealistic" Paint Job 19: British K boats of the First World War 20: Mobile, Alabama 21: Re: salute cannons for U.S.S Constitution 22: USS Constitutions' cannons 23: Ship scale question 24: Russia Convoy 60th Anniversary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Bismarck Online Review -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: HMAS Brisbane Hi Guys I found it interesting that the HMAS Brisbane was built by Defoe Shipbuilding Corp which is located in Bay City Michigan on Lake Huron. That shipyard is now closed, but, I know that a group wanted to bring the class ship USS Charles Adams there to be a museum. But it didn't work out. So today she sits next her sisterships in mothball at the Philadelphia Navy Yard. The only one with her hull number still painted on and hasn't been stripped down like her sisters. The RAN back in 1993 obtained the USS Goldsborough for spare parts for the Brisbane, Perth,and the Hobart. What did they do with it? Did it become a recreational dive wreck? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Mobile & HMAS Brisbane Mobile Alabama: I was there for a little while & stayed about a 2 minute walk from the USS Alabama..so i didnt get to see the Mobile as a city, & all i saw was the USS Alabama museum, they dont have a large selection of models except for i think 1/350 scale of the ship i think...who knows maybe something has been added since i was last there HMAS Brisbane..with the funny story of the US Navy attacking the police, i was reminded of a funny story about & I think it was the HMAS Brisbane or could have been the Perth..well anyhow, this was told to me some years ago, by a guy worked for at a museum..he told me once that the Brisbane or Perth was steaming into one of the large naval bases in Japan, & on the dock was a full dress parade of admirals , both aussie & japanese, the band was there all decked out to the nines & here comes the RAN... too fast to cruise into the dock & so they put the ship in full reverse to slow it down... the trouble was that from what i can recall the pressure blew out of the funnel soot & gunk & it landed all over the band & the admirals!! So if any Aussies knows anyone who served on the Perth/Brisbane maybe check to see if this was true or just a load of horse hockey to tell a kid! But it would have been fun to see if it did happen! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: "Unrealistic" paint job >> So my thought is to finish them both in a monotone light grey that optimizes the ability to see the form and lines of the ships, do a sort of diorama and mount them onto a sheet of dark reflective glass as a design study of two navies and two solutions.<< Well, just to let you know, USS Atlanta CL-51 was commissioned in #5 standard Navy Gray so you are not too far off. As for the Dido....I'll leave that up to you... John Sheridan "Only one human captain has ever survivied battle with the Minbari Fleet. He is behind me, you are in front of me. If you value your lives, BE somewhere else" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "George J. Stein" Subject: Re: Shops in Mobile, Alabama? Trip to Mobile, Alabama 1. Most obviously, the battleship Alabama. 2. Within the city of Mobile, Fort Conde -- built by Spain, occupied by French, British, US, CSA, etc. Well worth a visit. 3. Now to do something really interesting, take the ferryboat across Mobile Bay from Mobile to Fort Morgan - main Confederate fort in Battle of Mobile Bay in which the Confederate Ironclad Tennessee and the CSS side-wheelers Gaines, Morgan and Selma tried (unsuccessfully) to keep the Union fleet away from Mobile. Good museum & museum shop. Last time I was there the shop carried the 1/600 Thoroughbred pewter models of most of the Union & CSA ships. As these seem to be out-of-production, I make no promises about ship models. 4. If you are with a "significant other," Mobile was actually the origin of Mardi Gras and there is an interesting Mardi Gras museum with historical women's fancy dress gowns, etc. i.e., ante-bellum high society. Y'all enjoy your visit ya hear, George from Alabama -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: ZMzimmerman@cs.com Subject: unrealistic paint jobs Hey you built them paint them as you wish. If you are in a contest the judges should be looking at how well you executed the finishes not what the ship might have been wearing. No judge can know everything about everything, despite what some think. Look at the Floating Drydock camo sheet listings and you will find multiple schemes for cruisers. just tell everyone that it is the second Atlanta post war in Haze Grey. And didn't Dido wear an overall grey scheme at some point. Good building. Michael Zimmerman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: HMS Tiger, post WWII Hello, this is my first posting, I've been reading this for a few weeks and have enjoyed what I've read very much. I've just acquired the Eastern Express kit of the Crusier HMS Tiger as an all gun crusier before she was converted to a Helicopter carrier/crusier during the 1960's. Though an odd scale, 1/415th I figure it's close enough to use 1/400 scale rails and ladders, and am planning to replace the gun barrels with brass tubing. (re: US Navy vs Boston PD, Yes USS Constitution's saluting guns have been converted to breech loaders, But all Naval vessels go through upgrades don't they?? I guess I'll balance that, HMS Tiger's guns, on my kit, would have to be muzzel loaders...) I was wondering what the proper paint scheme should be for her in that configuration, and I'm sure some of the other readers would know. Thank You. Rich Sweeney Lowell, MA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: USS Constitution's Cannons "Ken Goldman" asked: >> Question: unless the offending saluting gun is a breech loader, which Constitution would not have had originally, how exactly does one load a muzzle-loading cannon without first removing the tampion? << All of the USS Constitution's cannons are replicas, and I don't think they are fire-able (is that a word?) The two saluting cannons have standard howitzer breeches mated to the rear of the barrel and are loaded and fired manually. I was fortunate enough to go on a turn-around cruise a few years back and was below deck watching the crewmen firing a 21 gun salute. Even with her most recent restoration, there are other compromises to historical accuracy: electric lighting, a sprinkler system, security systems, closed circuit video systems, laminated masts, spars, and diagonals, sails made of a synthetic that looks like canvas, and so on. Her cannons are fired daily at sunset, so I think they went for convenience and safety over historical accuracy. Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts, USA http://www.uss-salem.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Places of interest in Mobile, Ala. I went to the one hobby shop that was listed in the phone book about four years ago and wasn't impressed. Unfortunately, I can't remember the name. I do remember it wasn't worth the trouble I took to find it. However, the USS Alabama *is* worth the trouble. If I remember correctly, the museum shop also had more ship models than the hobby shop. Of course they were either the Hasegawa Alabama or the Revell Massachusetts. Besides the battleship there is a Gato-class submarine, the USS Drum, I think. And there are several aircraft and military vehicles as well. Still within the Mobile area are two forts from the US Civil War (also called the War Between the States and the War of Northern Agression). I found Fort Gaines after about a 45 minute drive from the city. It was well worth it. The fort is close to being fully restored. Heck, it could be fully restored, but what do I know. As I sat on the ramparts trying to visualize the Battle of Mobile Bay, I was startled to see what looked like the ironclad USS Tennessee chugging across the mouth of the bay. Upon closer inspection with my binoculars, I saw that it was actually a ferry built to resemble the ironclad. Nice touch. I did not have time to visit Fort Morgan on the other side of the bay. About two hours to the east is a destination that is well worth your time -- the Naval Aviation Museum at Pensacola. They have a model of every aircraft carrier type that served in the USN -- inlcuding a stunning Langley. Oh, yeah, the airplanes are great, too. In the gift shop, you can buy a ball cap embroidered withthe name of your favorite carrier. That's where I got my CV-2 cap. Marc Flake -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ed Grune Subject: USS Alabama is in Mobile Lione asked: >> I am taking a short vacation at mobile, alabama. Any info on any hobby shops around or places of interest relates to ship? << Can't fill you in on hobby shops and the like, but the USS Alabama is in Mobile - that should be good for a full day's diversion! Ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: "Unrealistic" paint job, Enjoying the Hobby 101 ASAE >> But if I go on to add historically accurate paint schemes the ships will be much darker and it will be harder to really see and appreciate the ships, their lines and details (that's why they call it camoflage, right?). So my thought is to finish them both in a monotone light grey that optimizes the ability to see the form and lines of the ships, do a sort of diorama and mount them onto a sheet of dark reflective glass as a design study of two navies and two solutions. Any thoughts? And not that I've ever built for competition but how would judges feel about this? << Tom, What I would suggest is that you build your models the way you want them. If you wish to paint them with light monotone gray to appreciate the detail and the lines of the ships, then by all means do so. Now wait a minute..... okay. I had to put my judges hat on for the rest of this reply. If you plan on entering these models in competition you probably won't stand a chance. Harsh words maybe, (sorry) but true nonetheless. Correct (well done) paint is a must, and one the major things we look at when judging models, rather they be ships, aircraft or armor. In short, correct paint schemes are as important as the other basics we look for. Also, the difference between first and third (especially in National competition) is sometimes so razor thin it drives me up the wall. Case in point. I have been on an awards dry spell for the last 2 years at the Nationals. This year I entered a model that I thought would probably place in my honest opinion. No such luck. The rest of the models were just too well done. I later found out what bumped me from placing was the misplacement of a part on the model less than 1/8" long! Nitpicky? Maybe, but it's the smallest things that sometimes knock you out of the competition and it's only because the competition is so good. I hope you understand my point. Okay, judges hat off again. Build for your own pleasure Tom. If you like it, then it just placed in the most important category of all, "Enjoying the Hobby 101 ASAE." One last thing, if you're considering competing in the future, check out the IPMS/USA web site under the Competition Handbook. The handbook explains what we as IPMS/USA Nationals judges look for in every type of model there is. It also covers areas of judging most people aren't aware of such as, how judges are chosen, the rules we must live by, and how to become an IPMS National judge. If you have any questions about how we judge ships, feel free to contact me anytime. I hope this answers some of you questions. Rusty White Head IPMS/USA Ship judge 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Enterprise book back in print >> Sometime back, someone expressed interest in a copy of "Details & Scale" vol.39 - USS Enterprise article. I saw this on e-bay today. The item is number 1629158646. << The book is back in print and available from Squadron Mail Order. Mine came just the other day. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://okclive.com/flagship/ 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Harold Stockton" Subject: Re: "Unrealistic" paint job Dear Tom, One of the things that aircraft and armor modelers have known for some time is that full scale color swatches are way too intense for ANY model, especially the smaller scales. A look at a distant skyline of horizon will immediately show you that, with distance or scale, colors tend to gray out toward the neutral spectrum, and pure or primary colors tend to wash out in their intensity. Many years ago I wrote an article about "scaling" down colors for the old IPMS "Quarterly," and surprisingly there was little comment about the subject even back then. Not surprisingly, your comments are just as timely today as back then when I wrote my original article. In 1/72 scale, any 'new' paint job on a subject would be "grayed" out with an appropriate pure neutral gray in the ratio of 1/10 by volume. Depending on how weathered the particular paint that is intended to be represented on the model, the ratio would creep up from there, to say 1/9 or 1/95 by volume. A good case in point was the WW-II US olive drab. This color faded very fast depending on the elements and the theater that the aircraft was operating in. If you want to see how unrealistic pure colors look on ship models in your scale of 1/700, take a look at the beautifully built kits on the covers of The Floating Drydock's "United States Navy Camouflage in the WW-II era," and its companion number "2" volume. The models shown on the covers are impeccably built, even after all these years, but they still come across as "too" intense for any semblance of realism in that scale. Certain US Navy colors "chalked" very badly after a very short time as did the British "Western Approaches" schemes also faired very badly during the winter months in the North Atlantic. The best advise that I can give you on this subject is to consult a number of photographs of the vessel you are building during the exact time period that you are trying to represent. For a totally fresh and out of the yard paint scheme, try toning the colors down by as much as 15/85 with your pure neutral gray paint. In 1/700 scale, this neutral gray should be about 10% lighter than the standard US Navy's Haze Gray. So, if there is any sort of weathering to be done, say after a few months at sea, your scale mix could be as much as 20/80 of full paint swatch or chip strength. This entire subject of scale effect for model paints is purely subjective in nature, and takes quite a lot of experimentation to get just the right touch. But, if done correctly, the model will come alive for everyone to really enjoy. Try taking an old model and experiment with your colors before you apply them to your intended model. When I start a project, I start with the pure color that was obtained by taking the particular color chip down to the local hardware store for computer evaluation. Once I have that base line to work from on one particular color, I then decide how much I have to "cut" the paint with my neutral gray. Once I have that figure decided upon, I measure the exact amount of each color and the appropriate amount of neutral gray to be added. Once mixed thoroughly together, I test spray a 2"x3" panel of plastic or card stock and let it dry thoroughly. After the painted stock is dry I scan it on my flat-bed scanner and open the file up in Adobe Photoshop. As I have already scanned the original color chip also, I then compare the two with the eyedropper tool. By comparing the readings of the two colors against each other, I can then tell if I have mixed the two colors correctly. If not, the eyedropper readings are used as a base to further "cut" my already mixed color. If all of this sounds very time consuming and expensive in paint, it can be for a one off project. The advantages of this system is that you are guaranteed an almost exact tonal match of what the scale paint should look like. And, when it comes time for any judge to decide which two models are to decided on in competition, the one that is the most realistic is generally the one that gets the nod. BTW, by using your corrected colors as a base line for your model, by "tinting" this same color with a "VERY" little pure white, to make it bleached out ever so slightly, you can 'counter-shade' certain details with a very fine thinned wash of this color to make them 'pop' out to the viewer. But remember, in 1/700 scale you have to be very careful not to over do any sort of weathering or counter shading as it can become just as unrealistic as colors that are too strong and out of scale. I hope this helps. Harold Stockton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Peter K. H. Mispelkamp Subject: Re: Soviet Submarine Models in 1/400 scale Saw the posting re these subs. I own the the AER 5 in one kit pack of Soviet WWII subs. Yes, they are of a good quality - though perhaps somewhat simplistic. Their major drawback is that the AER bundle does not include decals. Three of these kits are the same as the ones found in the Encore line - with decals. I also own four out of five of what are probably the original molds - again with decals. Another Russian company - Maquette - seems to be in the process of releasing kits from the same molds. For what it worth, I am considering selling my 4 individual Russian kits and the Encore three in one box set. Contact me off-list if you are interested. British and Polish WWII era subs are available from Aga, Mach-Plast and Mirage in 1/400. The latter also has wolfpacks of German Type II's and VII's in production and has announced plans for another group of Type IX's (again in 1/400). Happy modeling Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Unrealistic paint job For my models I always use the correct colour paint first then proceed to drybrush it with white from artists tube acrylics. I finish the model with a gel coat of clear acrylic extender. The effect is like the way your describe your model - the details really pop out and looks more realistic to me I love it. The club executive don't and I had at best a honorable mention at one contest. But who cares. I build to please myself. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Dust Jacket Painting >> For those of you that purchased my first ever book, "The Fairmile "D" Motor Torpedo Boat" in the Anatomy of the ship series, I have taken the opportunity to have the original dust jacket painting by Geoff Hunt, printed in a limited addition. (1000 only). They will be on sale at the stand for the first time. (Price about £4:00). << Hi; Very nice picture. Anywhere this side of the pond I can get one of these prints? Or anyone in UK who takes Visa Card? Currency conversion costs would be much more than the cost. Thanks Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister http://www.egroups.com/group/WoodenWalls Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Diodor@aol.com Subject: Re: "Unrealistic" paint job Speaking strictly as an observer and not as a judge--or a modeller for that matter--I would vote for your gut feeling, i.e. keep the models light grey as you have indicated, so as to show the details as clearly as possible. As an old navy veteran, having seen more than a few warships during WWII, I can safely say they each went through several paintings during that war, no two of which were exactly the same. Some ships were painted a light grey, some a dark grey; and some were painted in-between those greys. Others were camouflaged in various designs and colors for short periods of time. But nothing in the war--as in life--was permanent. Be like the captain of your ships. Paint them the way you like them (within reasonable parameters of course). There is no authority that can honestly dispute you, not even judges at a ship model exhibition. In humble admiration of all those who build good ship models, Ted Treadwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: USS Enterprise CVN-65 >> Sometime back, someone expressed interest in a copy of "Details & Scale" vol.39 - USS Enterprise article. I saw this on e-bay today. The item is number 1629158646. << Don't pay too much, they are back in print for $19.95, IIRC (coulda been $14.95). Of course, if anybody wants them, I'll have some at the standard discount rate. James Corley AAA Hobby Supply email: aaahobby@earthlink.net AAA Hobby offers a standard 15% discount to all SMML subscribers on all items we stock. Shipping via USPS Priority Mail or Int'l Air Mail -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Ian Wrenford" Subject: Re: "Unrealistic" Paint Job This reminds me of one of APMA's club members whose name I'll omit who modelled one of the early Revell (I think) ships. He specifically modelled the ship PRECISELY per the kit instructions, without embellishment or adornment of ANY form. What he did do was clean it up (mould lines, moulding faults, join lines etc). But no aftermarket, no stretched sprue, no painting not specifically in the instructions, no weathering of any form. He was explicit in his modelling notes as to what he had done and why - and I remember judging it in that light. It did very well - and was truly an excellent example of 'getting the basics right'. What it required though was a setting aside of personal views, prejudices and indeed the judging sheet. eg on the 'realism' front - we made some serious amends given the context of the model. Revells over-scale bits were taken at face value, rather than expecting to have seen them replaced. This was about 2 years ago - but it's one model I clearly remember for the 'outside the square' approach. My views - do whatever you want to do. Tell the judges what and why - and you might get judged accordingly. And if you don't, then at least you've got your own self-satisfaction that you did it your way. Whatever, you'll have certainly given them some food for thought! Hmmmm, this is far too deep. I usually refuse to get drawn into judging discussions! Respectfully, Ian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Alan & Teresa Scheckenbach Subject: British K boats of the First World War Hi everyone, delurking for a moment, Does anyone have a scan of a general layout for the old K-Class (I say Number 1, my end's diving, what's yours doing?) Fleet Submarines handy? I have a paperback that outlines their operational service but it's not much chop on pics or diagrams. Thanks Alan (Firmly on shore) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Mobile, Alabama I was in Mobile a few years ago and apart from the 'must see' USS Alabama and USS Drum (?) at Battleship National Park (where there are also several USN gun mounts, vehicles and aircraft), the only model shop I found was Hobbytown USA, near the airport. The website http://www.hobbytown.com/ should give you an address and a (schematic) location map. I don't recall much in the way of ships there but I was primarily looking for hard to find/expensive in UK tools and materials and was very satisfied. Robert Lockie Swindon UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: salute cannons for U.S.S Constitution Constitution does indeed have some (four, I believe, am not sure) cannons at the forward end on the Gun Deck which have been altered to have a breech-loading and firing mechanism to accomodate modern salute blank cartridges (about 3" caliber that make a lot of white smoke). It is a popular procedure for harbor parades such as the Turn Around cruises where Constitution is towed from her berth, down Boston Harbor past the fort on Castle Island, turned around, and returned to her berth, but tied up 180 degrees from the starting position. This is intended to equalize the effects of the sun on the masts and rigging over the year. It is a rather prestigious affair, with special invitations to both civilian and military VIP, and to reduce hard feelings there is a lottery of invitations for ordinary folks to participate. Salutes are fired when she passes the fort, which are returned by members of local early artillery re-enactment groups. I guess Constitution doesn't want us to forget that she is still a commissioned warship, ready to take on all comers, even a local police boat. Huzzah!!! Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Fritz Koopman Subject: USS Constitutions' cannons Ken Goldman Asks >> Question: unless the offending saluting gun is a breech loader, which Constitution would not have had originally, how exactly does one load a muzzle-loading cannon without first removing the tampion? << Hi Ken. Good observation. The answer is that the saluting cannons up in thebow are not originals, as you point out. A very cursory inspection, if you have the chance to visit them, will show that the two cannons up forward are breech loading 75mm Howitzers with the barrels sawed off and replaced by fake "20 Pounder" muzzle (not sure I got the # right on the cannon) to stick out the port. This allows for a more rapid salute, and thus holding on to the short attention span of the average american tourist better than if they did the usual 5 minute (minimum time by law) cycle of a muzzle loader. Best regards Fritz K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Eduardo Luis Marcovecchio Subject: Ship scale question Hello friends, I'm somewhat new at model ship building. Well, I built (destroyed) some kits when I was a kid, and I'm kind of "restarting" in the hobby, this time trying to do the things the right way. I'm also trying to start building some models in a consistent scale and theme. I want to avoid things like: building a 1/200 Yamato, and then a 1/800 waterline model of a contemporary carrirer, and then a wooden spanish galeon. Not that there's anything wrong at doing that, but I would like to start my collection of models in a consistent way. I already choose a theme: WWII capital ships. Now, I want to choose a scale, taking into account the following factors: - I would like to improve the models with photo etched sets - I have a limited budget - I prefer full hull models than waterline - Availability of WWII capital ships in the chosen scale (of course) - I'm not too concerned about kit quality: I'm a beginner after all - I would prefer styrene kits instead of resin (mainly because of the price) So, what kind of scale do you people would suggest for me to start? I was wondering about 1/600. I like the scale, not big, not small. The price is also ok for me. The only problems I see are the lack of photo etch sets in this scale, and there are not many WWII "big ships" in this scale. I can only find Airfix (cheap!) and Arii (not so cheap) models. 1/700 Tamiya is very good quality, plenty of photo etch sets available, but they are water line, and expensive! So, this is my situation. Sorry for the boring mail, and I thank all of you in advance for any kind of tip or help you can give me. Thanks a lot! Eduardo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Dave Shirlaw Subject: Russia Convoy 60th Anniversary Last Return of the Russia Convoy Veterans? London August 21, 2001 - Sixty years to the day after the first convoy arrived in the Russian port of Archangel to aid the war effort, seventy veterans will return to mark both the convoys and to commemorate those who did not return. On 31 August 1941, 70 days after the outbreak of war on the Eastern Front, the first Allied convoy, code named Dervish, arrived in Archangel. Convoys continued until the end of the war and succeeded in delivering almost a quarter of all war material received by the Soviet Union during the War. To mark Dervish 2001, the Royal Navy is sending the Broadsword Class Type 22 Batch 3 Frigate, HMS Campbeltown, commanded by Captain Alistair Halliday, to both Murmansk (27/28 August) and Archangel (30 Aug - 3 Sep). She will join the Russian Krivak Class frigate Zadornyy for passage to Archangel. As the veterans, members of the North Russia Club and the Russian Convoy Club, are mostly in their eighties, it could well be the last time that the anniversary will be marked in this way. Rear Admiral Mark Stanhope OBE RN will represent the First Sea Lord in Archangel and a Corps of Drums from the Band of Her Majesty’s Royal Marines, Portsmouth, will visit Archangel from 29 August - 2 September. A Royal Air Force Nimrod maritime patrol aircraft has also been made available, her presence marking the considerable success of the allied air campaign over the Kola. Dave Shirlaw Editor, Seawaves Magazine www.seawaves.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Brent Theobald Subject: Bismarck Online Review Howdy Gang! Part 2 of the 1/350th Bismarck Online Build is up at the Roll Models review site. We are also using Gold Medal Models P/E in this build. Go to: http://www.rollmodels.net/reviews/Bismarck/part02.htm There is also a new conversion article posted. Marc Flake made the USS Houston out of the Skywaves USS Miami kit. If you are interested you can go to: http://www.rollmodels.net/reviews/ships/Houston/houston.htm You can see all the reviews as well as pictures from the Nats at: http:www.rollmodels.net Enjoy! Brent http:www.rollmodels.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume