Subject: SMML VOL 1366 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:50:05 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: We're back home 2: Coastal Forces III 3: 1/72 warship modelling 4: Coast Forces--Vol. 3 --YES!!! 5: Re: Submarine periscope 6: Re: Alied Coastal Forces Vol. 3 7: Allied Coastal Forces Vol. 3 8: Allied Coastal forces Vol 3 9: Draft markings 10: Boston area ship historians? 11: Re: J boat plans 12: Re: Who would like to see Allied Coastal Forces - VOLUME 3? 13: Re: Vol 3 14: Soviet ships 15: IJN silhouettes 16: Re: J Boats 17: Coastal forces Vol 3 18: HMS Enterprise and other odd British cruisers 19: authors 20: USS REUBEN JAMES (DD-245) 21: What does S.D. mean? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: An update!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Hi all, Here's more SMMLies "checking in" from the East Coast: Mike Maynard Jan Muntz If you know of any more to add the list, please do so. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane & Lorna Subject: We're back home Hi all, Well we've arrived back home in Aus safely after five weeks touring the UK and meeting up with listmembers. If you EVER get the chance to meet up with any SMMLies take it - it was great to meet up and put a face to listees. We have taken plenty of on and off topic photos which will appear soon on the SMML and APMA websites as well as in the APMA journal. We have approx 30 kilos of books to go read (once they arrive here) as well as some kits. SMML will now resume it's normal schedule of daily mailings until we go on holidays again (whenever that may be - hopefully soon ;-) ). Regards, S & L -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: clary townsend Subject: Coastal Forces III I have been waiting for Vol.III, Coastal Forces for years as I believe the intent was to include examples of the British Power Boat Company. Thus it couldn't be published too soon!!! C.H. Townsend MD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "David Clark" Subject: 1/72 warship modelling I have just returned to plastic warship modelling after an absence of 30 years or so (if you ignore the construction of several LCMs and LCAs). As a "braille scale" armour modeller, I have decided to stay with 1/72 scale and have acquired the Airfix RAF Air Sea Rescue Launch, Vosper MTB and E-Boat and the Revell PT 117 and Flower Class Corvette. I have started on some smaller projects before tackling the larger and more complex models. The smaller projects are the conversion of an Airfix LCM III to LCM VI, construction of the Armageddon LCVP (a challenge) and the RAF Air Sea Rescue Launch. I am also carrying out research for the other models, particularly the Flower Class Corvette. I have searched through the SMML archives and have found a wealth of information and helpful suggestions. Other Internet sites and hardcopy references are also of great assistance. However, I am sure that I will be asking for more assistance, particularly with the Flower and tentatively planned conversions of the smaller 1/72 kits. Thanks to all those who have provided the information in the archives and please be prepared for some questions from me as my models progress. David Clark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Phil Lord and Gayle Fink" Subject: Coast Forces--Vol. 3 --YES!!! To John Lambert and Al Ross--- Yes, Please--I'll buy it, I'll buy it, I'll buy it!!! Would it help to e-mail Conway's directly with a plea to print it, along with a commitment to purchase? >> For those Not in the know. Allied Coastal Forces of World War Two has seen two volumes published, both now out of print << I was fortunate to obtain mint copies of Vols 1 and 2 on Ebay for less than $50 total some time ago. They are staples in my personal naval library, and I feel especially fortunate as they are quite scarce on the used book market. By all means, please try and issue volume 3 for those of us who are small fighting craft enthusiasts. I hope the economics make it possible. I venture to say that at least one great library in Maryland will purchase a few copies too-- the Nimitz Library at the United States Naval Academy. Currently, they have 2 copies each of Vols 1 and 2 that circulate, and another set in their Special Collections! http://library.library.usna.edu/ As for reprinting the first 2, you have probably already observed there are references on SMML to Vols 1 and 2, usually with the followup "...but they are out of print." They are terrific references, and for me, pure pleasure reading as well! Cheers, Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Submarine periscope >> I would appreciate any leads to model fittings vendors who might carry the projecting (extended ) portion of a submarine's periscope. I want one for a project I am working on, but can't seem to find suitable detail information to make one. Scale is not all that critical, as I can scale a purchased one to fit my needs. << Depending on how much you need exposed, you can simply take a piece of styrene rod, chuck it into Dremel, and use sandpaper to turn it down and taper it. Sand one side at the top to make a flat area, drill out a depression with a microdrill, put a drop of dark paint and after that dries, a drop of microclear. Alternatively, you could get one from a submarine kit; but this would be kind of expensive, if you weren't using the rest of the kit :^) US submarines have two types of scope heads, a smaller one (I believe Type 2) with just a minimal lens for closer covert work, and a large (Type 18) head, with a larger, light gatehring lens and other features. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Daniel H Jones Subject: Re: Alied Coastal Forces Vol. 3 As a happy owner of Volumes 1 and 2, I would be very pleased to be able to purchase the long desired Volume 3. Daniel Jones Plastic Ship Modeler magazine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Stuart Batchelor" Subject: Allied Coastal Forces Vol. 3 Yes Please!! On all three books!! Stuart Batchelor Tulsa, Oklahoma -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Ken Hoolihan Subject: Allied Coastal forces Vol 3 What a great idea to complete the trilogy. I would definitely buy both Vol 3 and a reprint of Vol 1. Ken Hoolihan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: joe.sus@att.net Subject: Draft markings I'm trying to draw a set of plans for a submarine model, for which I have no recourse but to measure photos. Exactly where do the bow, midship, and stern draft markings measure from? For example do draft markings at the bow of a teardrop shaped hull measure the elevation at that particular point, or to the horizontal extension of the major diameter of the hull, or to projections such as sonar domes, rudders, or keels? Does this vary among navies? Thanks, Joe Suszynski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Burl Burlingame Subject: Boston area ship historians? Any ship-type historians in the Boston area who would be interested in a contract researching the furnishing of a USA WWII vessel? It's a paying contract. Burl -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: J boat plans >> Uffa Fox produced a series of book in the mid-1930s that reviewed the work of many contemporary designers, both in the US and Europe. Line drawings and photographs as well as detailed rigging drawings in the back for selected designs. << There's plenty of detail in these books for building a model of many of the J boats, including ENDEAVOUR, several of the SHAMROCKs, and others. If you do go through interlibrary loan, I know the Bangor (Maine) Public Library has at least two of them. Also, BlueJacket Shipcrafters has a nice modeler's plan of ENDEAVOUR in 1/64 scale that was drawn in the late 1930s when the company was still Boucher. I used them to build a model of her about 8 years ago. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: Who would like to see Allied Coastal Forces - VOLUME 3? >> P.S. Please include the Higgens 69' MGBs << That's going to be a bit tricky, unless the Higgins collection at UNO has the drawings. I have the outboard plan and profile (waterline) for the original configuration, but it is not consistent with the few photos I've seen of the actual boats. Still, a reasonably accurate representation could be developed using photos and knowlege of standard Higgins design characteristics. Originally intended for the Finnish Navy, these boats were acquired by the RN instead as MGB 69-73 and MGB 100-106. I believe several more boats of this design went to the Royal Netherlands Navy for use in the West Indies. Will have to research this one a bit more. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: Re: Vol 3 Will it be available in Germany, too? Vol 1, 2, 3 ? Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://www.geocities.com/friedkappes/flagship.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: Soviet ships I seek for Todva/Tadva = "Soldek" = Project V-30/1 (Russian repairship ~1954) date of commission Project 220 (NATO: Sekstan): date of commission Project 1806 (NATO: Onega): date of commission Project OD-200bis (NATO: MO-V) MO-269-300, 310, 471-747, 641-663, 691-692, 694: date of commission Who can help? TIA Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://www.geocities.com/friedkappes/flagship.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Gernot Hassenpflug Subject: IJN silhouettes I saw Bill Gruner's comment that some people like to receive the printed catalogue because it contains additional information valuable in deciphering japanese publications, and instructions. It occurred to me that silhouettes of IJN ships, plus the names in english/japanese depending on the page you choose, are available at: http://www.platon.co.jp/~vought/ choose "english" and scroll down in the resulting page until you see an unmistakable silhouette of the Hyuga/Ise. altenatively do the same selecting "japanese" to see the names in kanji. there is loads of interesting stuff there. I also seriously recommend all you IJN modelers to learn basic japanese so you can explore the japanese sites out there - kanji can be done at home alone, great unwinding in between shifts at the modeling bench. (Remove tongue from cheek) Enjoy, Gernot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Bill Rowe Subject: Re: J Boats About 45 years ago Omnibus (I hope that was the program) hosted by Allister Cook did a show on the J boats. There was wonderful film of them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Francis Macnaughton" Subject: Coastal forces Vol 3 In response to John Lambert's suggestion - yes please and delighted that you are able to consider this at last. Is there any chance that this will include the Higgins boats in RN service in the Med - MTBs 419 to 423 i believe - and some of the heaviest armed RN short boats in service with the Bofors at the back? Francis Macnaughton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Lawrence E.A. Lee" Subject: HMS Enterprise and other odd British cruisers For some time I have been curious about modelling the above mentioned ship(s) but have noted that no kits exist in any scale (other than some Neptun 1/1250). In my initial searches of 1/600 and 1/700 there were apparently no versions of any of the C or D class cruisers either. The "Elizabethan" class of "Improved" Birmingham's also seem to be absent. I'd be interested in modelling any of the above mentioned cruisers in either their late WWI or WWII versions. Anyhow, I was wondering if anyone point out any kit which may have escaped my Google searches. If scratch building is the only option, could anyone suggest any articles or publications which may be of help. Many thanks, Lawrence -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Randy Short Subject: authors Does anybody out there know how to contact Peter C. Smith and David Wragg? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Steve Sobieralski Subject: What does S.D. mean? A friend has a ship's bell which is engraved "S.D. CELOSIA". He would love to make a model of the ship, but he has no information about it at all. It is probably too much to hope that any of you would have any information about this specific ship, but does someone at least know what "S.D." means. Would appreciate any information at all. Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Subject: An update!! Hi you all Firstly many thanks for all the replies about the interest in a Volume 3 of Coastal Forces. Twenty Two so far and one gent states that he wants eight for his contacts. When it dies down will pass the list and e-mail address on to Conway. Other news. My web site has recently been updated. Here you will see the list of drawings that have prepared for Chris Langtree's forthcoming J, K and N class Fleet Destroyer publication. In fact there are a couple more that are not listed and I have just been granted a further ten (10) days to complete a further G/A. At present I am working on the proposed G/A for a Type 18 Frigate conversion. I'm scaling down Limbo A/S weapons to suit. (Off to watch TV right now though). Both Al and I thank you for your interest and encoragement. Yours "Aye" John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: wem Subject: USS REUBEN JAMES (DD-245) On October 31, 1941, five weeks BEFORE Pearl Harbor, the U.S. Navy suffered its first combat loss of WW2 when USS REUBEN JAMES (DD-245) was torpedoed and sunk with heavy loss of life while on Neutrality Patrol off Iceland. Sixty years after her loss, White Ensign Models is pleased to announce production of USS REUBEN JAMES in 1/350 scale. Mastered by Peter Hall and cast by JAG, the same team responsible for our award-winning USS BENJAMIN STODDERT, USS KNOX, and USS PEGASUS kits, this will be the finest kit yet released of the classic American 4-stack destroyer and the first of this famous ship. Consistent with our other kits, REUBEN JAMES will include fine resin and white metal castings, and an extensive photoetch set from the hand of Peter Hall. Instructions will include the Measure 2 camouflage that the ship was wearing at the time of her loss. We are accepting pre-orders now, discounted 10%, and sales of this kit will determine the future release of our Town-class destroyer, HMS BURWELL. For a look at photos of the REUBEN JAMES master, go to: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/350reub/350reub.htm Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume