Subject: SMML VOL 1382 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:26:53 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Hornet CV8 Hull Lines 2: Pacific mail SS Co 3: Revell of Germany's 1/72nd scale German S boat 4: Re: Pacific Mail SS Co 5: Re: Pacific Mail SS Co 6: POW 7: Ship Books, Not For Sale, But Talk Story 8: Mini-Review: WEM aircraft for the Graf Zeppelin 9: Re: 1:48 WW 1 machine guns 10: Re: Essex class carrier info 11: Re: RCN Colors 12: A cry for help-please! 13: USN Flags 14: Re: adelaide to perry 15: USN Motor Launches in France in 1918 16: Re: Machine guns on WW 1 Sub Chasers 17: 1/350 Tamiya POW 18: Hasegawa Akagi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: H.M.S. Prince of Wales 2: NEW BOOK, NEW KITS... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Mike Dassele" Subject: Hornet CV8 Hull Lines Fellow modelers, I have a friend who plans to scratch build a 1/144 scale Hornet CV8. He has all the plans he needs except the hull lines. He has queried the usual suspects for these and came up empty. Does anybody know where we might be able to find hull line? Scale doesn't matter - he has access to a pantagraph. Of course the larger the better. Any help is appreciated. Mike Dassele -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Donald Bridge Subject: Pacific mail SS Co Hi All The Pacific Mail SS Co became part of American President Lines There is a painting of a Pacific Mail side wheeler and some other drawings on their site at: http://www.apl.com/history/index2.htm Don Bridge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "RAY MEHLBERGER" Subject: Revell of Germany's 1/72nd scale German S boat Does anybody know when the Revell of Germany 1/72nd scale S boat will be released...and...if it will be available anyplace in the USA?? Also, I saw an ad on a Eastern European web site for a store there that has a WWII Russian torpedo boad in 1/72nd scale listed. I think the brand name was Interavia?? Anybody know where I can get one of these in the U.S.? My preferences in ship models lean towards subs and torpedo boats. Regards, Ray Mehlberger Contributing Armor Editor for INTERNET MODELER MAGAZINE www.internetmodeler.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Pacific Mail SS Co This company flew the Panamian flag( possibly a flag of convenience). The City of Panama was built by Gotaverken (Yard No. 377) in 1924 and was a typical three island freighter measuring 314.5 ft oa. I have builder's drawings for the profile and plan views. Neither the ship nor the company are mentioned in Talbot-Booth MS 1942. I suspect, however, that she and/or Pacific Mail were sold to another company before the war. Many thanks, though, John for your interest and help. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Ron Hillsden" Subject: Re: Pacific Mail SS Co Pacific Mail SS Co was US flag , formed 1848 to serve California during the gold rush. Was a big player in the trans-pacific trade. Grace Lines bought controlling interest in 1916. In 1923, the PMSS name was sold to Dollar Lines after Dollar successfully purchased the liners PMSS was leasing. About that time, Grace set up the Panama Mail Co to use PMSS ships not transferred to Dollar. There were 2 ships built in Copenhagen, but not named City of Panama. Particulars can be found at: http://www.islandnet.com/~reh/History.htm PMSS seems to have stopped using the names "City of XXX" around WW1. I suggest to research colours: *get to a large public Library to look at any of the Lloyd's publications of the era *San Diego and San Francisco Maritime Museums, as the company is prominent in their on-line histories. *The Vancouver (BC) Maritime Museum - I saw an article that their curator had done some research into the company in a previous life. *Best bet maybe - the company chartered ships to the US govt during the Spanish American war http://www.spanamwar.com/transports.htm Maybe you can get a painting from the US National Archives? Ron Hillsden Victoria BC Canada Club: http://members.home.net/vmss/ Flags: http://members.home.net/ron-hillsden/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Malcolm N. Waite" Subject: POW Hi This might be opening a can of worms, but is it in good taste to make a model of a ship sinking ie people dying? just a thought Malcolm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Darshan Ward" Subject: Ship Books, Not For Sale, But Talk Story It seems that it does't take too long to be in this hobby and to have just a few ships on the shelf before the need for additional reference material becomes apparent. So many models are manufactured, though standards are definitely rising, that are ill-proportioned, badly made or somehow representing a ship that never existed as shown. Speaking for myself as a model maker, a lot of hobby satisfaction is involved in research, corrections, additional detail and improvements. Not to mention filling in on history, colour and personality that makes any one particular vessel more interesting than her sisters. It's hard to beat photographic sources for the ship at the time as a best reference, notwithstanding wartime censors. Plans drawn by some freelancers may be inaccurate or incomplete and are no guarantee. Ship books come in many guises and their variety is dictated by availability and cost of copyright material, the whims and vagaries of publishers and market research pundits, the scholarship and dedication of authors. They might be written for children and docents, arcane technical scholars or anyone in between. The one commonality that I have found often and everywhere is that the ones that appear to be the most useful and sought after are either unavailable, out of stock or out of print; usually the latter. So many very useful titles from the 1980's and 90's are no longer possible to find. To mention Arms and Armour Press, Conway, Naval Institute Press as examples. To prove my point one has only to look at E-bay. I have followed a few auctions recently and bid too, but when prices start at 9.99 then move rapidly into triple digits and then some I can only watch in amazement. True the occasional bargain can be found!! The demand is there and I wonder why second editions or reprints are not forthcoming from the publishers. Are there any SMMLies in the trade or not who could give any input or information as to why these books have small print runs and are then lost forever? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Mini-Review: WEM aircraft for the Graf Zeppelin Fellow SMMLlies: I just received three small bags of White Ensign Models' "Airstrike 700" aircraft for the Graf Zeppelin. Here's an "in bag" review. No surprise at all, the aircraft are mostly of excellent quality. In all three cases, the general shapes look very good. Even my unpracticed eye could immediately identify them. A few of the planes have a little bit of flash to be trimmed, but this is not a major concern. Of slightly greater concern are a couple of pinholes in the wings, but these should fill easily. It's nearly impossible to put much detail on planes this small, but here and there you will notice nice little touches. The landing gear on the Ju-87Cs, for example, is handled very nicely. OTOH, the gear on the Bf-109Ts doesn't appear to be that good. I'm no expert on the 109, so I'll have to check sources. The 109s appear to be pretty nice overall, though. The Fi-67s are nice as well. Overall, these are well worth the money. They are a quantum leap better than the planes in Revell's Graf Zeppelin kit. Thanks to Peter Mispelkamp for organizing the SMMLlies to lobby WEM to make these things, and to Caroline and the gang at WEM for making them. It was worth the wait! Now, all we have to do is try to guess what paint schemes they might have had! David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | http://home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: 1:48 WW 1 machine guns to Harold Stockton, re Lewis guns of WW 1. Thank you for your thoughtful and informative discourse about Lewis (also Colt and Hotchkiss) guns on U.S. Navy vessels in WW 1. You have refined some of my understanding on this subject, and I plan to replace the ersatz Colts on my 110 foot WW 1 Subchaser model with "correct" Lewis units from Aeroclub. I am grateful to other SMML respondents as well as to yourself for your parts in making my model as correct (even if the execution is far from professional) as I can. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Preston L Hassler Subject: Re: Essex class carrier info Thanks guys for the info on the un-immanent release of the Essex class carrier. That's a long time to hold my breath. Skip Hassler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: isublett@home.com Subject: Re: RCN Colors OK my two cents worth: in 1989, three RCN ships, including Restigouche and Kootenay, visited San Diego, tied up to the Broadway Pier and conducted tours. Down here, close up, the color was almost identical to the old WWII robin's egg green. Compared to our already dark gray, they were remarkable and must have been almost invisible in Northern waters. (remembering to include my name) Pirie Sublett. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Subject: A cry for help-please! Hi you all out there. I am trying to obtain drawings on the Greek destroyer Vasilissa Olga delivered by a British Shipyard in February 1939, in particular on her armament. Her, 5", 3" and 37mm guns and the 21" torpedo tubes. Can anyone point me in the right direction please. Very many thanks. Yours "Aye" John Lambert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: USN Flags What size/how large were the flags/ensigns flown from the sterns of the US BBs at the time of Pearl Harbor? Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Sanders, Talmadge FC1" Subject: Re: adelaide to perry >> It sorta looks like an eyeball & is mounted right above the bridge. << What you are referring to is a Mast Mounted Sight. Identical to what is on top of the rotors on models of observation helicopters IE OH 58's. VR/ T.E. Sanders -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: PT Dockyard Subject: USN Motor Launches in France in 1918 I recently ran across a listing of USN warships lost in the First World War. One listing was for the U.S. Motor Launch No. 3429, sunk by German shore batteries near Nieuport, Belgium July 10, 1918. Can anyone provide more details about this or any other US motor launches/small craft (besides the 110' sub chasers) that served with the AEF in this area? Did the U.S. Navy use some of the 80' Elco motor launches used by the British or possibly was this one of the "SP" converted civilian craft? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: PT Dockyard Subject: Re: Machine guns on WW 1 Sub Chasers In the book "The Splinter Fleet of the Otaranto Barrage" by Ray Millholland, the author mentions that his boat had single Lewis guns mounted one each side on the railings of the bridge platform right behind the wheelhouse. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "lfstuart poyser" Subject: 1/350 Tamiya POW i have recently purchased the hms prince of wales 1/350 tamiya model and photo-etched detail kit and am very interested in spending a lot of time high detailing it. the only problem is that i am having a hard time trying to find any photos of the ship. if anyone has any good quality photos showing fine detail on the ship that they could send me i would be very grateful. thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: nd.ward@virgin.net Subject: Hasegawa Akagi I've been trying out e-bay recently, bought a 'Hancock', mint in box for £ 8.00, and Akagi for £6.05. Unfortunately the Akagi is missing the instructions. Can anyone e-mail me a scan of these? I'll be coming back with some thoughts on e-bay shortly Dave Ward -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: wem Subject: Re: H.M.S. Prince of Wales >>> - What are the camouflage four colours (507A, 507B, MS1, etc)? << MS1, 507C, MS3 and 507B <<< All available from WEM in our Colourcoats range of paints: RN 04 - MS1 RN 03 - AP507C RN 06 - MS3 RN 02 - AP507B Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "WEM" Subject: NEW BOOK, NEW KITS... Hi Guys, News from WEM. On Monday, we are releasing two new kits from the NARROW SEAS line. I have prepared features on them both: First: WEM NS 015 1/350 Fairmile 'D' MTB 624,1942:6 pdr Mk VII, 2xTwin 0.5 inch, 2xTwin.303 machine guns, Twin 20mm, Holman projector, rocket flares,2 depth charges... for 19.96 Pounds (around $27.50) http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/narrow/ns015/ns015.htm and 1/350 S-10 Series WW2 GERMAN E-BOAT at the same price. http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/narrow/ns017/ns017.htm These kits provide a superb introduction to modelling with resin and photoetched brass. Both include detailed and well illustrated instructions and a full colour plan and profile. In addition, we are starting to ship WEM K 3545 1/350 HMS VANGUARD 1998 SSBN. This sub is almost 18" long and is priced at 72.00 Pounds (approx $101.50). All WEM kits and brass are shipped post free. We now have all the USN and RN colours here in the WEM COLOURCOATS range, but the manufacturer lost the Munsell colour card we sent them for our Teak match, so this colour has been delayed. The Revell 1/700 USS WASP has arrived, and is priced at 11.08 Pounds. According to Loren Perry, the Ospreys and CH-53's are underscale... we can remedy this, as we supply both these aircraft in the AIRSTRIKE range. AS7077 Bell V-22 Osprey (x3) WITH ETCHED BRASS for 4.22 Pounds, and AS7078 Sea Stallion, (x 3) WITH ETCHED BRASS forthe same price. We have received the next batch of 1/350 WILDCATS, HELLDIVERS, CORSAIRS and KINGFISHERS, and will be packing and shipping over the next few days. Also, have just restocked on WEM K 702 1/700 HMS DIDO 1942 at 38.25 ($54.00) and K706 1/700 HMS SHEFFIELD 1941 Southampton Class Cruiser at 46.77 Pounds ($66.00). These kits include etched brass.. also remember that the small parts supplied with these kits are the same as those found in the "700 PROFESSIONAL" range of accessories, so are absolutely complete. Europe add 17.5% VAT to the above prices. We will also be stocking the great new Gold Medal Models set which has been designed spefically for this kit ;^) **NEW BOOK JUST ARRIVED** HMS VANGUARD 1944 - 1960, Britain's Last Battleship, McCart, Neil (of Fan Publications), h/b, 120pp, over 100 photographs 19.95 Pounds (about $27.00) **NEW BOOK** THE GERMAN NAVY IN WORLD WAR II, Jackson, Robert, Spellmount, 1999, H/b, d/j, 160pp, text, index, 94 photos, 35 colour profiles 18.95 (about $27.00) **NEW BOOK ARRIVING SOON** HMS HERMES 1923 and 1959 McCart, Fan Publications, h/b, 192pp, 128 b+w photos, 7 full colour photos, 24.00 (about $34.00) Thanks for your attention. Caroline Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume