Subject: SMML VOL 1393 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:14:57 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Hobby Shops in Tampa/St. Petersburg Area of Florida 2: Toluol Glue 3: Re: Lindberg 1/72 scale Air-sea rescue launch? 4: ICM Ship news 5: The disappearing hobby 6: Great ship modeling features in FSM's Dec. 2001 issue 7: Disappearing Art? 8: Re: Subchasers of World War One 9: 1/300 Adelaide Photoetch 10: Hunt for clues to disaster begins aboard Russian sub 11: New Camouflage Book 12: Re: Heller HMS Hood 13: Re: Sub Chasers of WWI 14: British Battleships of WWI 15: Re: Heller Hood Molds 16: HMS Dido Plans 17: Plans for Cruiser Kirov -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: 1/200 Sovremenny kit 2: Big E Super Sale Item! 3: FYI - Travel Warning -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Steve Sobieralski Subject: Hobby Shops in Tampa/St. Petersburg Area of Florida Hobby shops in Tampa: Happy Hobo, 4040 W. Waters Ave. Mainly a train store, but also a good general hobby shop. Pretty standard selection of plastic ship kits, but a lot of useful scratchbuilding supplies such as Evergreen, Plastruct, and model railroad bits. Charlie's Discount Hobbies, 7530 W. Waters Ave. About two miles west of Happy Hobo. Mostly R/C aircraft, but again a very good general shop. Not a lot of ship kits, but some of the more unusual ones. Clearwater: House of Hobbies, 1320 S. Ft. Harrison Ave. I couldn't begin to describe it. Hobby Heaven or Hobby Hell depending on your point of view, but definitely worth a visit. Kits piled from floor to ceiling, if you don't see what you want ask - he might have it in back. HTH Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Ralph Batykefer" Subject: Toluol Glue Where do you get Toluol to use as glue and how much does it cost? IHS, Ralph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: Lindberg 1/72 scale Air-sea rescue launch? >> Does anyone know anything about this crude but essential kit? << This is an old kit, released in the 1960s. It roughly depicts an experimental 94' 1" crash boat. According to Friedman (US Small Combatants), only two boats were built and, though originally intended for the USAF, they ended up in USN service as C-3727 and C-3728 in 1953. At least one may still exist, as I have photos taken in 1993 of one as the yacht NEW BUCCANEER. At the time, she was on blocks in a boat yard and looking a bit worse for wear. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "James Morley" Subject: ICM Ship news I have just received this on my regular mailing from Hannants - one of the biggest model mail order firms in the UK: >> ICM5005 HMS Hood WWII cruiser. From a reliable source who is in a position to know we have been told that this kit will definitely not be released in 2001 and that it is unlikely to be made in 2002 and is more likely to be released in 2003......... << Those familiar with the Hood / Essex release date saga will probably find this plausible. Those planning to take advantage of special offer pre-order discounts may want to invest the money in long term savings account instead and dig in for the wait (!!) James Morley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Randall.O'Malley@clarica.com Subject: The disappearing hobby After reading the postings about the decline or disappearance of our hobby I must ask myself one question: What hobby are you talking about, model building or three-dimensional historical depiction? There is a difference between the two. Researching colours, patterns, and every little detail on a ship is part of the hobby of scale modelling and it is also a hobby unto itself. Participating in this list could also be called a separate hobby or pastime. I think folks are being a little self-centered to say that model building is becoming extinct. I also don't think times have really changed. There have always been and always will be people who enjoy using their hands and heads to build things in miniature. There have always been and always will be people who seek expression and relaxation in other ways. Thirty or forty years ago there was no Internet or Nintendo but there were hockey cards, hula hoops, Frisbees, Heathkit, chemistry sets and all sorts of other diversions. As for the decline of ship building we are part of the problem. We demand increased detail. Well, all else being equal, what has more detail: a 1/700 carrier or a 1/48 plane or 1/35 tank? Maybe its time for smaller vessels in larger scales. And give the kids a break. Many of them live inland and have never seen a seen a ship in person, but they have all seen planes in the air or cars on the road. When you were young what excited you more: a military plane whizzing over your head or a sexy hotrod driving by, or an image of a lumbering ship on the television? As long as they are building something from plans that requires a little thought (even Meccanno) we should be happy. I'm steeping off my soapbox now. Thanks for listening. Randy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Loren Perry Subject: Great ship modeling features in FSM's Dec. 2001 issue The December 2001 issue of FineScale Modeler magazine features a two-part review of the 1/350 scale Banner Arizona with the Gold Medal Models photoetched detail set installed. Covering pages 79 and 81 - 83, this extensive review is done by Mike Ashey and includes three color photos. His model looks very good although he was forced to omit some PE details in order to make the magazine's deadline. For example, the plastic splinter shields for the 5" 25 cal. guns were not replaced with the GMM relief-etched brass substitutes. Also, anchor chains have yet to be fitted, and the model hasn't yet been rigged. Nevertheless, what's there is very good, and this is the first example of a completed Banner Arizona published anywhere. In the same magazine, Mike has Part One of a two-part article on building 1/350 scale resin cruiser kits. Featured ships in this six-page story are Classic Warships' USS Quincy and MB Models' USS Oakland. Part Two will be in the following issue. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Graeme Martin Subject: Disappearing Art? I started in "Plasticine" when I was six years old. In the '50's there weren't many plastic kits in New Zealand and even less model shops. I progressed to Kiel Kraft Gloster Javlin's made from balsa wood using a crude Jet-X type propulsion and later was able to lay my hands on a Linberg or a Revell USS Midway kit. At the time I thought this was the most beautiful model of an aircraft carrier ever. Of course by today's standards it is old hat. But it laid the ground work and love of model boat building for me at a tender age. And so it has been all through my life. I progressed from sticking pieces of plastic with numbers together to scratch building larger subjects. (apologies to all those plastic kit modellers out there. I love putting a good plastic kit together). But the leap from one to the other took immense courage and outlay of money as a model builder and I found a lot of fibreglass hulls collecting dust in the garage for years to come as my interest and courage ebbed and flowed. Now I find the challenge of building a complicated subject so rewarding that I'm usually thinking about the next subject to build when only half way through the current one. As I take this modelling from serious hobby to small business I think of what motivated me back in the early days. It wasn't so much the kits on offer or the ease of building them, for there were very few. It was my love of seeing a beautiful model ship brought to life from 2-dimension plans to 3-Dimension. Perhaps in this disposable society we live today, there isn't much time for the art of the modeller and his or her modelling. But I suggest to you that a lot of young people who in my day built models but who don't today because of the pressures of the workplace will in their later years turn back to the finer things in life. Like building the beautiful model sailing ship or battleship of yesteryear. I have spoken with model kit shop owners, manufacturers and the like in the UK and the USA and all have said, that they see the market of model building not so much dieing as moving or in a state of flux. It's true that the impatient and computer literate kids of today want to know. "How soon can i get it from box to on the water or in the air?" and that Kyosho and other manufactures are meeting that demand. But that the desire of building a fine model boat will never die. As long as there are big boat owners out there and I mean big, ie. shipping lines, navies etc. where peoples lives and careers are lived, played out.........some of them will want a model of their love and that can lead to, "Can you build me a model of a sailing ship or can you build me a QE2?" Graeme Martin.......................... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Subchasers of World War One To Victor M. Baca. Glad to have you aboard, Sir. And to other SMML people, We have plenty of room. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Ralph Batykefer" Subject: 1/300 Adelaide Photoetch Has anyone heard about a possible photoetch set for the LEE 1/300 Adelaide Frigate / OH Perry Class Frigate? Please let me know... Rusty and Loren, (in all your spare time, ha ha) this could be a nice item because the kit REALLY needs it. IHS, Ralph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Hunt for clues to disaster begins aboard Russian sub http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/printer2/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: ELLshipmodeler@aol.com Subject: New Camouflage Book The latest catalog from the Naval Institute Press lists a new book - available in November 2001 - on camouflage. Does anyone know anything about it? Naval Camouflage 1914-1945 A Complete Visual Reference By David Williams $65.00 Members $52.00 Holiday Sale $45.50 256 pages, 350 illustrations Gene Larson Alexandria, Virginia Member, NRG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Chuck Messer" Subject: Re: Heller HMS Hood Well, I'm glad to read that the Hood rumor of damaged molds was a typical internet rumor: total balderdash. The kit has a few problems, but I think it can be built into an impressive replica of that handsome lady. Consider the rumor quashed as far as I'm concerned. Chuck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Sub Chasers of WWI Hi; I used to hear stories from my great grandfather and grandmother about his races with USCG manned sub chasers. He used to travel from Boston to Canada's Maratime Provinces in his high speed "lobster boat". The one with special tanks for liquid cargo. During prohibition, if you haven't caught on yet. Grandma was his forward lookout in the fog. They never caught him. Might make a nice diorama if I knew what his boat looked like. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister http://www.egroups.com/group/WoodenWalls Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Richard Simpson Subject: British Battleships of WWI Only for our American friends, a copy of Burt's British BB of WWI on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1478332646 Regards Richard Simpson www.ausbg.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Heller Hood Molds Hi, I feel the same way as Peter about the story of the Heller Hood molds being damaged. I remember hearing years ago that the molds for the Heller Admiral Hipper had been damaged, but - lo and behold! - Heller then reissued the Admiral Hipper. I thought at the time that the story had been started by someone who wanted to get a premium price for their old Admiral Hipper. Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: HMS Dido Plans Hi, Could someone with the Norman Ough plans of HMS Dido help me? I cannot figure out the placement of what seems to be an inclined ladder on the forward end of the after deckhouse. I am building the White Ensign 1/700 Dido, which does not have the ladder. I have the Ensign book on the Dido class cruisers, and, while it has side views of the early Dido class ships (I want to do the Hermione) that seem to show this inclined ladder, it does not have overhead plans of the early Dido class ships. It does have an overhead of the later ships (like Black Prince) and I was wondering if the placement of the inclined ladder was the same on the early Dido class ships. I hope this makes some sense.... Thanks, Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Plans for Cruiser Kirov Hi, I have the Kombrig 1/700 kit of the WWII cruiser Kirov, and its instructions seem to indicate that there are plans for the Kirov in a 1991 issue of "Modelist Construktor." Does anyone know how I might be able to purchase a copy of that issue, or does anyone know of any detailed plans of the Kirov from another source? The instructions for the Kirov have a small plan but no exploded view of the construction of the kit, and I could use some help figuring out where everything goes. Thanks! Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: AAA Hobby Subject: 1/200 Sovremenny kit It is here! We got word today that the new Trumpeter kit has made it through customs and will be in the shop Monday morning! This kits sounds great, but we haven't heard any reviews yet. Here is the listing form the warehouse: The first-of-class "Sovremenny" was commissioned in 1985. A total of eighteen have been built for the Russian navy, eleven of which are in service, six are no longer operational and one more (launched in 1994) is awaiting commission. Two further vessels ordered by China have been launched. The First has been delivered and is undergoing sea trials, the second was delivered in 2000. All ships were built at the Northern Yard in Saint Petersburg" RUSSIAN "SOVREMENNY" CLASS TYPE 956 DESTROYER (NEW TOOL) 827 parts on 16 sprues, 3.pc deck, full hull & Soviet Navy markings. Large photo-etched sheet included. Over 30" long. CHINESE NAVY SOVREMENNY CLASS TYPE 956E DESTROYER "WARSUGO" 815 parts on 16 sprues, 3.pc deck, full hull & Chinese Navy markings. Large photo-etched sheet included. Over 30" long. Both of these kits retail for $74.95. As usual, AAA Hobbies will be discounting these at the 20% level for the first two weeks. Any order dated before November 7, 2001 (email/snail) will honored for the low price of $59.96 each. Orders after November 8, 2001 will be honored at our standard rate of $63.70. I have no idea what the shipping on this kit will be, but the Nimitz kit is in the same size box I expect them to use and it costs $6.45 plus 40 cents delivery confirmation for a total of $6.85. If the box is slightly more it would be $8.10. Even after the higher discount period, the 15% savings total (with higher shipping) would be $71.80 ... $6.90 less than the retail of $74.95 plus 5% sales tax ($78.70) and shipping adds even more ($86.90)!! Also in this next week, the Trumpeter 1/700 scale USS Arizona kits. There is no other information available than it has 168 parts, a full hull and is a new tooling. I would suppose this is a pantograph of the new 1/350 scale kit. Hopefully, they made some engineering changes. The kit retails for $7.95 and our introductory prices of $6.35 thru 11/7 and $6.75 on 11/8 or later. S&H should be nominal for first class (under $2?) or $3.95 for Priority Mail with delivery confirmation. We accept checks, money orders and most plastic flavors (Visa/MC/AmEx/Disc James Corley AAA Hobby Supply 1474 Roswell Road Marietta, GA 30062 Phone/Fax 770-973-3482 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Big E Super Sale Item! We have been blessed with an extra Tamiya Enterprise kit. Here's the deal: 1-USS Enterprise - TAM78007 $189.98 1-Aircraft #1 - TAM78006 $6.95 1-Aircraft #2 - TAM78009 $6.95 1-GMM Photoetch - GMM350-2 $36.00 2-GMM Airwing decals - YOUR CHOICE - 350-2D, 350-3D, 350-4D $12.00 2-GMM Canopy Decals - 350-5D $12.00 Total retail value: $293.28 (includes 5% GA sales tax of 13.19 and max S&H of about $16.20) ALL THIS CAN BE YOURS FOR ONLY $225.00 Postage Paid in the US There is only **ONE** of these packages available, so it is first come first serve. With the Yamato sets, I had one guy order two and never heard from him again. Because of that, payment must be received within 10 days or the next in line gets it. Aircraft sets can be substituted or removed, decals can be removed, price will be adjusted accordingly. James Corley AAA Hobby Supply email: aaahobby@earthlink.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: FYI - Travel Warning Thought I would pass this State Department warning on to any of you who travel internationally (actually it is important whether you travel or just stay at home). I certainly do not intend to sound like an alarmist, rather I would just like to make sure that all of you remain aware of the world in which we live, play and work. Since this is an international forum, I thought this would be an appropriate place to reach as many people as possible. Check out the following sites: http://travel.state.gov http://travel.state.gov/travel_warnings.html Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume