Subject: SMML VOL 1398 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 00:56:16 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Gloating 2: Re: Sealing wood 3: Tacoma/River class frigates 4: Novgorod Colours 5: Ustinov Inspects 'Hell' Inside Kursk 6: Re: Model Display 7: Re: HMS Condor 8: Re: The 3" Poole Gun On WWI Subchasers 9: Re: display space 10: Canadian Tribals 11: Re: Sealing Bass Wood 12: Re: Model display 13: Re: Model Display 14: book review 15: Who is Howard Pulver? More on the hybridized NJ 16: Re: Sealing bass Wood -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Re: SMML-meet at Telford 2: SMML at the IPMS NATS 3: Telford! 4: SMMLies at Telford -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: W R PRESS Notice to dealers 2: Update from Classic Warships Publishing -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Gloating >> Sorry to use this list for this but I remember last year..... HEY RUSTY!!!! I WUZ THERE!!!! NU 20 OU 10 YESSSSSSSSS!!!!! << Gloating accepted. We'll be back! Rusty White 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: BECJPARKER@aol.com Subject: Re: Sealing wood Rusty: an alternative to sealing Bass Wood is to laminate plastic or brass over it. It has the advantage of letting you get sharper corners and prevents the spliting you get with the grain when you drill port holes. Steve told you to use CA glue as a filler and if you want to go that way that's about the best thing to use. You can get a glass smooth finish using the CA. One thing to watch out for is if you are going to cast a part off of a Bass Wood master after it's been filled with CA give it planty of time to cure and out gas or you may have some problems. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "C. de C. Rodriguez" Subject: Tacoma/River class frigates Hi everyone: I'm looking for a model in 1/700 of the Tacoma/River class frigates. Can anyone help? Does exist in the market a resin or plastic model of these ships? Many thanks. John Rodriguez Asti Lima, Peru -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Cooper, Mike" Subject: Novgorod Colours Dear SMMLies Long time no post, huh? Well, I've been sidetracked into the wonderful world of WW1 artillery. I have re-started my 110lb Disappearer, and am repainting my model of Starling now I've new colour info thanks to Citizen Raven's third book. I'd got the pattern right but hadn't got an MS4 base. Now, I've just taken delivery of the 1/700th Novgorod from Samek via WEM. She'll form part of a display of "Victorian Coastal Defence"*** at some point - mainly artillery, but what the heck. The box shows here is light grey/white with buff/ochre funnels and a wood deck. Anyone tell me different? Mike Cooper Early evening dull damp Reading, UK ***So far this is actually a display of 19th Century coastal pieces from Britain and the US/CSA: 68lb Smoothbore; 13inch Mortar; 110lb Parrot; 10inch Brooke smoothbore; 9inch 12 ton RML; 110lb Armstrong and some smaller stuff to date. All 1.76th or 25mm. Planned are a 6inch RBL and we're going to tart up a 1/3000th display of ironclads with a Spitbank fort we used some tim back. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Ustinov Inspects 'Hell' Inside Kursk http://themoscowtimes.com/stories/2001/10/29/001.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: wem Subject: Re: Model Display Hi Mark, I acquired a reasonably good tall and narrow oak book case--you know, from an unfinished furniture dealer--then replaced the wood shelves with glass shelves, and had a glass door made for it. It looks nice and it functional. It could even have lighting installed, though I haven't sprung for that yet (fortunately, since I'm now in a country with different electrical requirements). Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: HMS Condor The Condor lost in 1901 was a steel screw sloop launched in 1898 so would not be the same ship that fought at Alexandria in 1882. She was built at Sheerness Dockyard. She had a displacement of 980 tons and measured 180ft by 32ft 6in. She was equipped with 2 shaft VTE engines generating 1400 ihp = 13.5 knots and was armed with 6 - 4in and 4 - 3pdr guns. Complement 130. I have no info on the circumstances of her loss. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Harold Stockton" Subject: Re: The 3" Poole Gun On WWI Subchasers Mr. Victor M. Baca wrote: "BTW, does anyone know if these guns were used on USCG cutters of the era?" The 3'?23 was used on quite a few smaller craft of that era. A few were the: USS Guam (PG-43), later assigned to the YangPat (Yangtse River Patrol) and was redesigned the PR-3. She carried two shielded 3"/23, and eight 0.30 caliber m/g (Lewis guns). http://www.ussguam.com/pr3/index.html http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/09043.htm USS Tutuila (PG-44), later assigned to the YangPat and was redesigned the PR-4. She carried two shielded 3"/23 and ten 0.30 caliber m/g (Lewis guns). http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/5047/PR4_Tutuila.html http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/09044.htm USS Isabel (PY-10), later assigned to the YangPat. She carried two 3"/50 and two 3"/23 AAA. http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/5047/PY10Isabel.html USS Siren (PY-13), carried two 3"/23 and two 0.30 caliber m/g (Lewis guns). http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1313.htm USS Zircon (PY-16) [possibly carried two 3"/23]. http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1316.htm USS Mizpah (PY-29), carried two 3"/23 and three 0.50 caliber mounts. http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1329.htm The following classes carried this weapon; USS Sampson, Wickes, and Clemson class destroyers, and, the "Bird" (AM-1 to -54) and, "Raven" (AM-55 and -56) minesweepers. Also the following US submarines carried this weapon: "O" class of eight submarines (O-2 - 10) each had a single 3"/23 mount. T-1, originally carried a single 3"/23 mount, replaced by a single 4"/50. "V" class, only first three of nine submarine class (V-1 - 10) as above. The first three boats of this class each has their single 5"/51 mount replaced by a 3"/23 about 1928. These three were called the "B" class: SS-163, Barracuda (B-1); SS-164, Bass (B-2); and SS-165, Bonita (B-3). Harold Stockton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Re: display space >> I'm seaching for an affordable way to display my ship models. I build 1/350 and 1/600 ships so I need a fair amount of space. Here's the problem, I've got a very limited budget for this project, not a lot of space to add furniture and my wife would like whatever I decide on to "look nice." Any thoughts? What does everyone else use to display your finished work? << I've been lucky to be able to buy some old glass medicin cabinets at work. They provide ample space for displaying my plane and scifi-models. For my ship models I usually build a glass case for each model individually, and place thes on the chimney breast or cabinets around the house (we have quit some rooms and a modesst number of ship models (so far...). Felix Bustelo has on his site a transcript of a thread here some time back on building these cases. It can be found at: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/resources/display.htm For displaying these, your best and cheapest bet are those modular systems consisting of a couple of rails you mount on the wall and a number of carriers, that hook into these, on wich you lay planks. For the planks laminated fibre board is quite cheap an easy to clean. MDF is also an option, very cheap, but it must be painted/varnished. You can also provide some lighting with halogen spots or the like. Erwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Tom Dean Subject: Canadian Tribals Hi Gang: Beautiful pictures Darren! The old girls look great. Your right, the grey is lighter than now. That is what I was saying in my earlier posts. The grey (1-2) used in the 60's did not seem to have as much green tint in it as the colour used now. In actual fact it had a more grey look closer up than those pictures show even. Maybe that is why the old girls when tied up in "The Black Ball Fleet" seemed a different grey than newly painted ships of the time, they had just darkened with aging paint. Yours pictures prove that even if DND says the colour is the same, it has evolved over the years. Adds a whole new problem for someone doing one of the ships that served in the 60's, 70's & 80's doesn't it. Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Burl Burlingame Subject: Re: Sealing Bass Wood I've used basswood for masters, but not for finished models, as I worry about the different expansion/contraction rates for wood and plastic, which will eventually causes cracks unless the model is in a closed environment. Why not use Plexiglas or Renshape instead? Burl -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Dave Judy Subject: Re: Model display Mark, I found two cases at a used retail furniture wholesaler, these cases have two glass sliding doors with two small solid sliders on the front of each one! They were in good condition but needed a little touch up. I paid $225 each, which was worth it, considering the materiel cost and time to build my own. I stacked these to save room......the wife loves it! Dave Judy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Paul Jacobs" <1250man@home.com> Subject: Re: Model Display >> Here's the problem, I've got a very limited budget for this project, not a lot of space to add furniture and my wife would like whatever I decide on to "look nice." Any thoughts? << Yeah. Get rid of your wife. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: book review Just rcvd my order from WEM & thought why not do a quick review on these books. 1) BS Profile Morskie - Japanese light cruiser TAMA. Having bought from WEM another BS book I sort of knew what to expect. All the wording is in Polish, so thats a downside of the book, but nothing can be perfect & the Poles are releasing some great works eg Warsara Militaria etc, so its good to see someone doing something, well anyhow, the book is stocked with some good black & white photo's of the Tama with a few Kuma thrown in for good measure. There are many plans for full ship & each section eg guns, boatsbridge work etc. The scales are both 1/700 & 1/400 but the details for the guns are in different scale, but there is a section for the 1/700'ers out there. Another feature of the book is a digram of the rigging if you want to take you kit just that one more step, but what I wanted mainly from the book is colour & on the back page their is 3 view colour drawing of the Tama in a sort of snow colour scheme in 1941, but i think it is actually more 1942 for the Aluetian task force during Midway. 2) BS Profile Morskie - Tribal class destroyers. Again another work from the people at BS. The same situation again with the other BS profile above expect a few more colour references. There is side views of HMS Eskimo 1942, HMS Tartar 1944, HMS Nubian 1945 & a 2 view (starboard & top) of HMS Eskimo 1940 & 2 colour photographs of HMCS Haida. There are stack of photos, some you may find useful as they are quite clear & others are just a little too dark to give any detail of colour scheme or other reference. Plans, well there are the usual plenty of plans, Eskimo 1939, HMAS Bataan 1945, Warramunga 1945, Arunta 1962 & the Canadian 1942,1943,1948 & a few others of the RN & RAN ships..full detail drawings of masts, gunsbridgework, funnels etc & a 1/700 scale drawing of one of teh ships as well. If you can read Polish it goes in detail (I guess as i can't read Polish) of each ship RN, RAN & HMCS. There appears at the very end what appears to be the colour scheme's used. Are these books really work it...depends...if you really want to detail your kit if it be 1/700 or larger or maybe doing a conversion well then this is a really good reference book, if you just want it for the pictures i hope your exchange rate is very good, that's just my opinion. They are not great books, but they are well done & if you want good reference I wouldnt say no to more of these, unless something in English was available -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Who is Howard Pulver? More on the hybridized NJ The amphibious assault design for the NJ that I am building is credited to a fellow named Howard Pulver. I would like some information on this guy to include in an upcoming FSM article. Any help? Rusty White 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Sealing bass Wood Hi; I don't seal the stuff. I use sheet styrene or if I need thicker pieces I use harder woods. I took a woodworking class for recreation when I was in college. I scavenged the heck out of the trash bins and have a large box of scraps. Since I do mostly 1:1200 ships I still have a lot left. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister eGroups: WoodenWalls Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: wem Subject: Re: SMML-meet at Telford Dave, Caroline and I can be found at the White Ensign Models stand, and if someone wants to organize something after-hours with suitable libations, we can probably be persuaded to join. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "graham and melanie" Subject: SMML at the IPMS NATS Well I will be there either on the Cruiser sig stand( with the Battleship sig) or judging or at the WEM stand;) graham @ the Cruiser sig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "larsenal" Subject: Telford! Hello all ! Just a quick note for those making the trip to Telford. L'Arsenal will be here with some models that are worth a visit. Pierre Marchal will bring his 1/350 World Champion USS Bunker Hill (all scratchbuilt) Sébastien Lausdat will display a completely reworked 1/400 Charles De Gaulle from Heller and a superb 1/350 Fletcher class destroyer. Many more models on display. You are all welcomed Hope to see you soon Best regards, Jacques Druel L'Arsenal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: SMMLies at Telford I will be there, lurking around the MAFVA stand (as well as not building toy boats in several scales, I also don't build toy tanks in a variety of scales) in between trips to lighten my wallet around the traders. Better start seeking out my SMMLie badge again.... By the way, anyone planning to travel via the M6 motorway north-east of Birmingham, or anywhere nearby, would be well advised to consider an alternative route. There are some serious roadworks in progress and you can expect to spend some time siting on traffic jams. Not so bad on the way back when you will have all those books to read, but grim on the way there! Robert Lockie Swindon UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: W R PRESS Notice to dealers Dealers should note that orders sent through the US Postal Service are taking substantially longer than normal to deliver due to acts of terrorism. This especially affects the NYC area. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Update from Classic Warships Publishing Update on the latest books from Classic Warships. Warship Pictorial #15 Kriegsmarine Schnellbootes Layout has begun, but is going at a slow pace to allow any new photos to be inserted, if found. All drawings and illustrations are finished. Page count, amount of color pages and the price of this book is undetermined at this time. Warship Pictorial #16 USS New Jersey BB-62 Layout of the book is finished and photo captions have begun. Page count will be 64, with 8 in color. There are a total of 95 black & white and 15 color photos in this book. Many of the B & W and some of the color photos have never been in print before. Price will be $15.95. I am going to try to get both books to the printer by the end of November, but due to the problems of trying to ship books, at book rate, during the upcoming Christmas season and the current problems with the US postal system, I may delay the release until the first or second week of January 2002. I have been actively working on books #17(IJN Myoko Class Cruisers) and #19(KM Admiral Hipper). The information I need on the Myoko's is almost 100% complete at this time, so that will go together quickly. I am still pursuing photo acquisition on the Admiral Hipper, but that is going well. I have managed to find quite a lot on the individual ship. Look for samples of the covers by January 2002 and a possible print date on these two books in April 2002. Thanks, Steve @ www.classicwarships.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume