Subject: SMML VOL 1399 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 03:21:41 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Props and colors 2: Novgorod 3: 'Torpedo explosion' sank Kursk 4: Book Alert for Americans! 5: Revell Germany S 100 Schnellboote 6: gato hulls 7: Re: HMS Condor 8: Decal Solvent 9: SUBMARINE 10: Re: HMS Condor 11: humbrol reference colours 12: Sealing basswood 13: A result!!! 14: Current RAN Colours 15: The Fighting at Jutland 16: Harbour tug "Lucky XI" 17: Pyramid on a Raft - No More -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Re: SMML-meet at Telford -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Model Ship Journal for Winter 2001-2002 2: NEW ITEMS IN STOCK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: david_l._miller@ccmail.wiu.edu Subject: Props and colors Can anyone tell me whether or not the Kaiser built (Casablanca class) escort carriers had three bladed props. i plan to use three bladed props on my model unless I hear otherwise. What color was the hull bottom on the Kaiser built EC's. Was it the dull brown, almost chocolate color or was it the brighter red? I am building a model of the Liscome Bay for a survivor of its sinking in 1943. He might have got a good look at the bottom of the ship as it sunk. Thanks, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Novgorod >> Now, I've just taken delivery of the 1/700th Novgorod from Samek via WEM. She'll form part of a display of "Victorian Coastal Defence"*** at some point - mainly artillery, but what the heck. The box shows here is light grey/white with buff/ochre funnels and a wood deck. Anyone tell me different? << Hi Mike, I think I can. According to photo of "Novogorod as completed" from A.J.Watts' "The Imperial Russian Navy" Novgorod's whole superstructue APPEARS to be of the same colour as the funnels. It is also impossible to tell the difference between colour of the superstucture and whatever is seen of the ship's free-board. There also apppear to be some differences between superstructure in the photo and in Samek's model. If you are interested in the photo please let me know. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: 'Torpedo explosion' sank Kursk http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/newsid_1627000/1627014.stm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Book Alert for Americans! A quick note on two great books that I found at Barnes & Nobel recently. First one is a great book by Ernest Arroyo, titled "Pearl Harbor". This is a large format book loaded with lots of good quality photos and sells for only $20.00. Second one is by Paul Stillwell, author of great books like "Battleship Arizona" and "Battleship Missouri", titled "Battleships". This also a large format book loaded with a vast amount of good quality photos, many of which have never been in print before. This book also sells for only $20.00. I highly recommend both of these books. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Francis Macnaughton" Subject: Revell Germany S 100 Schnellboote Hello SMLLs, A positive indication for those like me eagerly awaiting the promised Revell S100 - the latest copy of Scale Models International has a short article based on seeing an advance sample of the mouldings for this kit. To judge by the picture, there are several sprues crammed with light grey mouldings which appear to be accurate from what I could see. It states that there are 220 parts which bodes well for the level of detail. Any chance of some photo etch from WEM perhaps?? Francis Macnaughton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: gato hulls Still thinking of building my 1/700 sub kits in 3D diorama,so many kits at home which ones the build for end of year comps arrggh so many ideas & thoughts, now going thru some web sites for the under the waterline, some show black hulls & some show dull red hulls..my hunch would be dull red hulls. & as for colour scheme there is the 2 tone blue with black & also pale blue with black top sides & there was overall black..so remember im building the Gato which could double as the Balao & maybe the trench class -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Re: HMS Condor >> The Condor lost in 1901 was a steel screw sloop launched in 1898 so would not be the same ship that fought at Alexandria in 1882. She was built at Sheerness Dockyard. She had a displacement of 980 tons and measured 180ft by 32ft 6in. She was equipped with 2 shaft VTE engines generating 1400 ihp = 13.5 knots and was armed with 6 - 4in and 4 - 3pdr guns. Complement 130. I have no info on the circumstances of her loss. << According ot D.K.Brown in 'Warrior to Dreadnought' HMS Condor, a barque rigged steel sloop, disappeared sometime after 2 december 1901 when she left Esquimalt. She probably went under in a gale on 3 december, some wreckage was found on shore after this gale. HMS Condor was one of the last rigged warships constructed for the RN, and the ships' commander had not served in a sailing ship for more than 20 years. The ship had inadequate freeing ports in the bulwarks and the commander had complained about poor stability. After this the RN stopped building rigged warships and reduced the rigging on her surviving sisters and the other rigged warships still serving with the RN. HMS Condor would be an interesting scratchbuild subject (or maybe conversion from a Modelkrak Kolchida) if adequate photographs and drawings would be available. Pieter Cornelissen Delft, The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Sean D. Hert" Subject: Decal Solvent Hello SMMLies I was wondering if anyone could recommend a decal solvent to use with Skywave/ PitRoad decals? Or, more appropriately, any decal solvents *not* to use? Thanks, PS- My Trumpeter Soveremenny should be here next week! I can't wait! Sean D. Hert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: SUBMARINE HI ALL, HAVE ANY OF YOU TRIED THE DUMAS SUBMARINE KIT? IF SO, I SURE WOULD APPRECIATE INFO. ON IT. DAVID -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Jtennier@aol.com Subject: Re: HMS Condor HMS Condor was lost with all hands off the west coast of British Columbia. She had the misfortune of having set sail from Esquimalt (Victoria, BC) slightly before one of the worst recorded storms of the era hit the coast. Some flotsam and jetsom from the wreckage came ashore on Vancouver Island a few weeks later, but the final resting place of the ship has never been (to my knowledge) determined. I beleive she was in transit to Hawaii at the time. About 5-10 years ago, the Mariner's Mirror (I think) did an article on her loss, including a computer simulation of the class design. If I remember correctly, it showed she was likely over-rigged (being both sail/steam) and the decks could not clear water fast enough if she took a large green one. It was a very interesting article and I cannot locate my copy. It also included the references to where all the drawings were located, although I would be comfortable in saying they would be held by the NMM (if not her specifically, then the class). John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: humbrol reference colours Thought this might be of use to someone out there. This is a list of Humbrol paints that match other companies stuff. Humbrol has a booklet that I have seen but its nearly $50 Aussie ($25USD / 18 pounds) This one covers all the colours Revell, RAL,BS, RLM http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/reference/humbrol.htm or IPMS Stockholm - humbrol colours used in various aircraft & then a link to a humbrol & other matching colour chart http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/stuff_eng_colorcharts_humbrolbinder.htm or but this one only seems to match Airfix & Revell http://www.hemmingsdiy.co.uk/humconv.htm Hope this helps Andrew Oz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Doug Wilde" Subject: Sealing basswood Lift thine eyes to the world of 1:1 models. Those of use that build full scale models work with a wide variety of products that may have applications in the model world. System Three has a number of finishing epoxies that may be used to seal wood. Point your browser at: http://www.systemthree.com/index.html System Three has a sample finishing kit that contains their clear finisher, as well as pigmented finishes. I've used their clear finish on my sailboat's mahogany transom and it produced a hard, glass-like finish. Their pint kit should last for quite a few models. Don't own stock in the company, just used their stuff to build my sailboat. Doug Wilde -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Subject: A result!!! Hi you all A report just to keep you all aware. Last Monday, I completed all the drawings for Chris Langtree's up and coming volume about J, K and N class fleet destroyers. To be published by Chatham next spring. A long task, which, as always took me longer than I had anticipated. I was told that my drawing of the Type 18 Fast A/S Frigate conversion (that was never built, but was just a design idea) will be included. The final sheets will be posted to Chris later this morning. I hope to visit the Telford show this coming Saturday, and look forward to meeting fellow Smellies from the USA, Europe and the UK around the White Ensign stand during the day. Caroline tells me to watch out for road works on the M6. (How unusual)! I am thinking that I will bring some of these new drawings to show off somewhere. We shall see, as there is no room to display anything at the WE stand. Looking forward to seeing you all. Have safe journeys. Yours "Aye" John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "M & R Brown" Subject: Current RAN Colours Some information has come our way regarding current R.A.N. painting practices. Weatherworks The RAN have for some time been using a low solar absorbing paint which has a gloss level of 15% compared to 90% gloss for the "old" paint. The new paint cuts down the infra red signature. One side effect of new paint is that the colour the eye sees is dependent upon the angle of view eg three ships tied up line astern at the Cruiser Wharf viewed from Harry's Café De Wheels will appear to the eye to all be slightly different colours when in fact they are the same colour. In an extreme case, if the angle of the ship to the viewer and the angle of the sun are "right", a ship's stern and bow will appear to be different colours. The colour as always is AS2700 N42 Storm Grey alias BS381C 631 Light Grey. This could also explain why visiting U.S. warships to Sydney quite often appear to be variations of the same colour. The R.N.'s current paint is also solar absorbing. Decks The R.A.N. stopped using FS36076 as their deck paint 6 months ago and have reverted to AS2700 N63 Pewter alias BS381C 632 Dark Admiralty Grey. Ships coming out of refit are wearing this colour. Michael Brown Task Force 72 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Chris & Lulu Langtree" Subject: The Fighting at Jutland Hi All This is another book review but concerns one which has recently been republished. Whilst not a book for modellers per see it is full of details that will be of interest. The Fighting at Jutland (published by Chatham) was compiled by two officers who were present at the battle using accounts from their fellow officers. Politically it was a difficult book and had to be published privately followed by a heavily censored commercial version. Chatham have republished the original private version in its entirety and added a very important volume to the Jutland cannon. The book contains the experiences of 60 officers and men edited together to form a chronological account of the battle. The editors themselves provide an overview for each section of the battle before introducing the personal accounts. Despite including the odd account from the lower deck this is mainly a book of accounts by the officers involved but non the less valuable in spite of this. The main impression one gets from reading the book is of the fog of war. Officers in a position to see what is happening frequently do not do so because they are concentrating on their jobs. Some miss the sinking of the Queen Mary and the Indefatigable though most did see the armoured cruiser Defence go down. The lack of knowledge about what was going on leads men in several ships to cheer the wreck of Invincible on the impression that it was a German ship that had been sunk. The horrors of fighting at sea are also well brought out, one officer making his way to the rear of a badly damaged cruiser recounts how he tried to avoid treading on 'anything soft' as he made his way to the stern though not entirely successfully. The value of this book to the ship modeller is it reminds us of the basis of a significant portion of our hobby and it shows us how are ships were used in real life. Unfortunatley the authors did not contact any German seamen for their experiences of the battle and so the account is necessarily one sided. This nevertheless does not detract from the value of reading a collection of first hand accounts of one of the major naval battles. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Dirk Emmermacher" Subject: Harbour tug "Lucky XI" Hello list. I'm searching for links with pics about u.s harbour tug Lucky XI (Revell, Scale 1:108). I hope to find ideas about painting (I like other paintings than in the kits...) Does somebody knows where I can find pics? Thanx in advance. Best regards. Dirk Emmermacher IG Mikromodell http://www.mikromodell.de mailto:emmermacher@hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Ken Youngstrom Subject: Pyramid on a Raft - No More "NEW YORK (Reuters) - Senior Pentagon (news - web sites) and Navy officials are scrapping plans to build the multibillion-dollar DD-21 destroyer in in favor of building a ``family of ships'' that are more efficient and more affordable, The Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday." Damn - there goes the world's easiest model! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Michiel Woort" Subject: Re: SMML-meet at Telford I will also go to Telford, you can find me by the IPMS Netherlands, if people are intersted I also have a couple of Hr.Ms. Karel Doorman kits, this is a conversion of the Heller Arromanches to the dutch rebuild carrier Hr. Ms. Karel Doorman in 1962 the scale is 1:400. Greetings Michiel Woort -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Model Ship Journal for Winter 2001-2002 In the next week, we will begin production work on our Winter 2001-2002 issue of Model Ship Journal, focusing on rescue vessels this time out. There are so many potential subjects that we'll be expanding the "Page From The Scrapbook" section to include several pages of great ship photos. Lotsa ASRs, ATRs, AHs, USCGCs, fireboats etc. The multi-page featured models will include Pierre Marchal's USS Bunker Hill, scratchbuilt in 1/350 (for those of us who won't be at Telford to see the real thing). Pierre has outdone himself with this fine WWII aircraft carrier model. And, speaking of fine models, wait 'till you see Don Preul's cruiser, USS Baltimore-It's beaut in 1/192nd! We'll also have a couple of USCG cutter models; USCGC Sapelo, scratchbuilt by Leslie Regier (her 110' Island class cutter replica in 1/32 scale has to be seen to be believed-absolutely stunning with every bit of detail you'd see on the real thing included) and a neat little 95 footer will also grace our pages. It's a fine replica of USCGC Cape Gull (WPB-95304) in 1/48 scale, scratchbuilt by Louis Chagnon. For the tugboaters, we'll feature the tug Edna G., built by Al Belvins as the prototype model for the A.J. Fisher kit. Belvins' model was also used as a subject for the painting "Distress Call" by artist Len Tantillo who depicted Edna G's rescue of a distressed freighter in heavy seas. My personal modeling contribution will be a piece on scratchbuilding superstructures for an icebreaking tug, ideally suited to the season! I'll also include a full plan set for modelers interested in this type of vessel with full prototype photo coverage as well. Reviews include an in-the-box item from NNT Modell, the USS Iowa (BB-61) in 1/700 resin as well as styrene model kit reviews. Also expect to see unique scale plan and photo features for the modeler as well as current book reviews and gems from the used bookstore. Steve Wiper of Classic Warships Publishing is sending a CD of his contributions, so expect some pleasant surprises as well. Don't forget that the mail is slow these days and for good reason in these dangerous times. While we mail the magazines in timely fashion, there may be delivery delays (the Autumn issue is just now arriving in some parts of the U.S.). I think the next issue will be worth the wait, though, with something for almost every ship modeler to read on a cold winter evening. Have a good one, Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL www.modelshipjournal.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Bill Gruner Subject: NEW ITEMS IN STOCK We now have in stock the following items: (1)1/700 Scale Trumpeter USS Arizona BB-39...All new plastic kit for $7.00. (2)1/200 Scale Trumpeter Russian DDG Sovremenniy, plastic kit with photoetch, about 800 parts, $67.50 (3)1/200 scale Chinese DDG Warsugo (similar to Sovremmeniy)...$67.50 BUY both Sovremenniy and Warsugo and deduct 10%! Offer good until 11-15-2001. (4)Book- WARSHIPS OF THE IMPERIAL JAPANESE NAVY 1869-1945, by Jentschura, Jung & Mickel. USNI Press re-print. HB, 292 pp. Finally back in stock!....$48.00 Thank you, Bill Gruner Pacific Front Hobbies http://www.pacificfront.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume