Subject: SMML VOL 1428 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:42:02 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: USS Skipjack & glue thumbprints 2: Re: Holman projector 3: Re: USS OREGON 4: Drage.co.uk 5: HP Models Z1 DD 6: Revell skipjack 7: WW II PC 1261 8: Holman Projector 9: The dreaded Holman Projector 10: Re: Illustrious class colours -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Subject: Re: USS Skipjack & glue thumbprints Thank you Tom, for giving me a hearty laugh and reviving fond memories of gluey thumbprints from my modelbuilding days of my youth. I needed a good laugh today to brighten a dark mood. Glenn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: Holman projector The Holman projector was developed the Miscelleneous Weapon Development Dept or MWDD (known to it's denizens as Miscelleneous Wheezes and Dodges) and it main use seems to have been to bombard other ships in the flotillas with potatos from the spud locker. MWDD was responsible for other great inventions such as The Great Panjandrum and the Patent Floating Runway. They also wasted time with no hope ideas such as HedgeHog and the Mulberry harbour. I have access to a great little book documenting MWDD's war and the book contains a lot of info on the spud thrower as well as a resonable picture. I'd be happy to send you photocopies for your friend. Contact me off list if you think this would help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: USS OREGON >> Correct me if I am wrong, but are those items unique to the Oregon? Also, were they all installed as built, or added after the initial firing exercises. Bob, you of all people should be able to answer this question for me, as you are considered to be "THE" acknowledge expert on this class of vessels! << Steve & all, I think I have to make a retraction to the statement about the blast shields in the deck of OREGON. There were three sister in this class, INDIANA (BB-1), MASSACHUSETTS (BB-2), and OREGON (BB-3). Most of my study has been for MASSACHUSETTS. All three ships look pretty much the same at first glance, however, INDIANA and MASSACHUSETTS were built on the east coast and are quite similar but OREGON, built on the west coast, had many detail differences and they drive one whacky. Most photos show the ships from a low enough angle that you cannot see the decks. I know BB-1 and BB-2 had blast shields in the decks as there are a couple of real good high angle photos and drawings that clearly show them. I made that statement on the basis of the 1893 drawings of OREGON in the book "American Battleships 1886-1923" which clearly shows the shields, however, Gary tells me that he thinks that OREGON did not have them. I found a photo in the "American Steel Navy" that seems to support that. So, at this point I will have to say that the model is right, OREGON did not have the deck shields that her sisters had. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Chris Drage" Subject: Drage.co.uk HI All, Sorry that my change of ISP and domain name transfer aroused so much interest. The problems arose when the transfer of drage.co.uk took place as time was needed for it to propogate. Thus for a short time it tended to loop throwing all those lovely Altmark emails back to the senders. Some did actually slip through to me too! Skytrex are keen to mould Altmark's sister ships although lack of information is a problem. Most were armed during the war and would make interesting additions the collection. The only one I found was Nordmark, postwar, when she was already HMS Bullawao(?) I think that you have every confidence in seeing: "....his version of "The Navy's Here!" Indeed I have enough pictures of the fiord and accounts from the Cossack, outraged Germans and prisoners to get a fair idea of what the scene was like. Does anyone know of any 1:700 model of the Norwegian torpedo boats that were lurking in the fiord at the time? I reiterate, that if the Altmark model sells the next on the list will be Ohio! It is purely a matter of the market for the product. Cheers! Regards, Chris Drage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "jmsr1990" Subject: HP Models Z1 DD A while back Falk plechter (sorry if I mispelled the name ) comented that the HP line of models out of germany were not very accurate when compared to the actual ships. I am wondering if anyone could comment specificaly on their version of the Z1 destroyer that they have listed. Is it accurate, detailed, or better left unbought. Thanks in advance; Jim Layman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Harry Gilday" Subject: Revell skipjack I have built two revell skipjacks. on one i painted the bottom half flat red & the top half flat black. i like this scheme. the other one i painted below the water line flat red & the remainder of the hull flat black. another member painted the entire hull flat black. i liked his idea of putting the decals on & spraying with glosscoate to get a satin finish & sealing the decals. i worked at electric boat for 24 years but dont remember how she was painted. i was there when she was on dockside trials but i could not rember how much of the hull was black, because most of the hull was below water level. my question is, which hull painting scheme is correct. there must be somebody out there who served on the 585 class & remembers the hull paint scheme. most of my fellow retirees are trident & seawolf types like myself, & do not remember. i hope its half black & half red because that looks good. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: WW II PC 1261 Barbara Jean Dixon - re your request concerning your relative on PC 1261 The e-mail address supplied was defective. Please contact me again. John Kutina - PC 1142 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Rule" Subject: Holman Projector I'm afraid I can't help much, but I do have a book privately published by Holman Brothers in 1951 and dedicated to the Firm. There is some brief mention of the Company's wartime efforts in manufacturing for the Ministry of Supply. They produced a large number of Polsten 20mm AA guns among other things, and of course the Holman Projector Mks I, II, and III. The Mk I was operated by compressed air, the Mk II by steam from the ship's boiler and the Mk III by a cordite charge. There is one photo which shows Winston Churchill standing next to a shipborne Holman Projector while waving goodbye to HMS Prince of Wales. Most of the projector is hidden but the sharp end is visible and resembles the John Lambert drawing in John Campbell's Naval Weapons of WWII. There is something attached to the front of the projector, which doesn't appear in the JL dwg., that looks like like an open frame truncated cone made of metal rod. The smaller circular end is slightly bigger than Winnie's fist, and he could probably get his head through the larger end. In length it matches his inside leg measurement. Actually on second thoughts it might be a jig used for making the legs of bell-bottom trousers. So that's what it was used for. It was a way of sending new trousers from ship to ship while at sea. I always wondered how they did that. WTIC (partly) John Rule -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Subject: The dreaded Holman Projector For those interested in this interim emergency weapon, produced early in the war, when the UK was very short of decent weapons, and could not produce enough of those that worked three of these "pipe guns" were developed. The Holman Projector Mark IIA (Air powered), Mark IIS (Steam Powered) both of 1941 and the later (and more sophisticated) cartridge powered Mark III of 1943. For my book, I produced guestimated drawings, drawn from current information. Since then, further research gathered at the M o D Nottingham uncovered the Naval Gunnery Manuals (OU 5530, BR's 267/41 and 1009/43 refer). ALL this information has now been redrawn (July 1995) and the 21 drawings are found on my single sheet L/O/63 available in my plans service at £8.50. (See www.john-lambert-plans.com) Right now I'm working on the rather boring subject of RN Ready Use Ammunition Lockers. Each subject is taking me three or four full days, but I know what the "clips, hinges and hasps" look like now. (All different). Yours "Aye" John Lambert (Its raining again)! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Phil M. 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