Subject: SMML VOL 1429 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:29:48 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Sub colors-Skipjack 2: Re: Holman Projector 3: HP Models 4: Holman Projector 5: Illustrious (not just color!) 6: Altmark as Dithmarschen? 7: FIM2 (PETE) Japanese floatplane 8: Re: USS Oregon 9: USS Oregon...sort of... 10: Skytrex Meridian Line of Fighting Sail 11: Re: Revell Skipjack paint 12: Wire and Tape -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Flagship Models new web site up and running 2: Sovremenny -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Rod Dauteuil Subject: Sub colors-Skipjack When I painted the Skipjack, I based it on what I perceived to be a standard for subs in the 1950's-1960's, that is overall black (or perhaps a very dark gray). I'm sure somebody can correct me here if I'm wrong. But personally speaking I thought it looked good, and I have the USS Albacore here in New Hampshire as a reference. The Albacore was brought into a dredged channel back in 1985, then the end of the channel was filled, and all the water pumped out. So it sits high and dry, with the hull fully exposed. There is no red below the waterline on the Albacore. It is overall black (faded over time, though). Additionally sometimes you see those pictures of subs doing an emergency blast and shooting to the surface and there is no hull red visible. But, I will concede I was surprised to see some pictures of the USS Greeneville sitting in drydock with a red hull below the waterline. As always, this list and its' members prove valuable. By the way, yesterday somebody mentioned the old glue/thumbprint dilemma which made me laugh. Last night I was working on a structure for the model RR and I ran out of glue. So I pulled out a spare tube of Testors non-toxic glue (the blue tube) and started using it. The aroma of the glue was that old fashioned lemon scent. Talk about memories! I haven't smelled that glue for years, and it reminded me of the old days building models with K-Mart cement. That, combined with the thumbprint comment made for some nice reminiscing last night. Rod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: Re: Holman Projector ..and Les Pickstock said: >> and it main use seems to have been to bombard other ships in the flotillas with potatos from the spud locker. << Well, blow me down!! One day at the Salem, I was handed a curious device made from PVC pipe and a gas grill piezo button. Filling the blunt end (breech) with hair spray and stuffing a pomm de terre down the smaller end (muzzle), pushing the igniter launched the veggie in a rather flat trajectory into (automobile)traffic adjacent ot the ship. Needless to say a hasty retreat below decks ensued by all attendees. Such was my experience with our potatoe cannon (spud gun). I never knew that the RN did it first and it had a proper name. John Frohock USNSM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Michael Bartel Subject: HP Models >> A while back Falk plechter (sorry if I mispelled the name ) comented that the HP line of models out of germany were not very accurate when compared to the actual ships. I am wondering if anyone could comment specificaly on their version of the Z1 destroyer that they have listed. Is it accurate, detailed, or better left unbought. << I can't speak for the Z1 because I haven't seen it, but I have HP's French ships Pluton and Lynx. They are nicely finished and nicely cast, and they appear generally correct in basic profiles when compared to photos, so at least they look good. I can't vouch for specific accuracy on either model, but they do seem a little underdetailed in certain areas. From experience in building masters for several other classes of French destroyers in 1:700 scale lately, I think that the Lynx may need some work beyond just adding photoetch, but that's just my opinion. Hope this helps. Mike Bartel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Holman Projector Thanks to everyone who replied to my Holman Projector query. I will pass on the information to my co-conspirator and see what he wants to do next. Robert Lockie Swindon UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "john fiebke" Subject: Illustrious (not just color!) All this talk about Illustrious has got me excited to the point that I actually might actually build a kit that I've bought. I can across a Heller Illustrious at a show a few weeks back and have begun it. Parts of it are nice..the hull really seems to capture the feel of the ship..but detail is lacking, especially on the Island. What is the best option for brass for this kit? I bought the GMM German Warship detail set for the railings and random parts that I hope I can adapt (I'm not in this for total accuracy, just something that really feels like the ship to me...but it really needs "busied up.") Is there a set that is more specifically for british carriers? And regarding color...I had searched the SMML archives and arrived at medium grey for hull/island and grey-green for the flight deck. Now I hear its dark grey. Well, I've fallen in love with the idea of a grey-green flight deck. Is there a moment in her career when she actually had this color? Oddly enough, the reason I fell in love with this color is that the kit's deck is molded in grey/green and it just stands out from the rest of the pack. Sorry to bring this ship up again. John Fiebke -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Altmark as Dithmarschen? Were they the same design? Different sources give different dimensions. I'd like to do Dithmarschen as USS Conecuh. Hmm. Or maybe in a hypothetical scene with Tirpitz and Graf Zeppelin? Joe Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Evangelos Aragiannis" Subject: FIM2 (PETE) Japanese floatplane Hi, does anyone have any information on pictures or images of any kind of FIM2 (PETE)? I am starting to build the model and it looks like the specific plane was not photographed much during service. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Evangelos Aragiannis -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USS Oregon I would certainly recommend contacting the National Maritime Museum library in San Francisco, given that Oregon was built there. They should have photos, and perhaps other archival documents. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Lump518176@aol.com Subject: USS Oregon...sort of... I grew up in Portland, Oregon and part of the BB OREGON still exists. The main tower structure is displayed at Waterfront Park in downtown Portland alongside the Willamette River. This is also where warships each year visit for the Rose Festival. I know the OREGON was a museum ship in Portland up until 1942 (I think), when the hull was used as an ammo barge during WWII. Just a trivial tidbit.....think I'll have another drink. Jerry Phillips -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Kerry L. Jang" Subject: Skytrex Meridian Line of Fighting Sail Hi everyone, Skytrex sells a line of cast metal ships in 1:700. We'ver heard a lot about the steel navy ships, but has anyone actually seen and built up one of their sailing men o' war? I've seen the review of USS CONSTITUTION on the Modelwarships.com site, but I want to know how they go together, and the fidelity of detail. Any thoughts or opinions anyone? I am interested in some of the French ships. Thanks, Kerry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Revell Skipjack paint >> I have built two revell skipjacks. on one I painted the bottom half flat red & the top half flat black. I like this scheme. The other one I painted below the water line flat red & the remainder of the hull flat black. Another member painted the entire hull flat black. I liked his idea of putting the decals on & spraying with glosscoate to get a satin finish & sealing the decals. I worked at Electric Boat for 24 years but dont remember how she was painted. << The correct answer is: D.) All of the above. Skipjack was initially painted bright red up to her buoyancy trim line and flat black above. After sea trials, she was placed in dry dock to be repainted black to mid hull, and red below mid hull. Sculpin was launched at Ingalls with theupper half hull black and red below half scheme, I believe that one or more of the Skipjack class may have been black over all at some point in their careers. For the black, I use 7 parts flat black and 1 part white. You really want a dark, dark, charcoal gray. Krylon primer red is just about dead on for the red hull color. Tom Dougherty (who drives by Electric Boat every day on his way to work) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Peyton Richardson" Subject: Wire and Tape I would appreciate any leads on sources for: - brass wire from .001 to .005 Diameter. -pinstripping tape 1/64th wide. Thanks for your help. Joe Richardson mailto:jprdbr@mediaone.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Flagship Models new web site up and running Flagship Models new redesigned web site is and running and WOW! I've been working on this new site for some time now, and I hope you will find it useful and informative. It is MUCH larger, informative, interactive and easy to navigate than the old one, with book reviews, articles, and a HUGE section on working with photo etch parts. I always wanted to have a site where I could do anything I wanted with no space limitations for articles, techniques, photos or anything else. I can now do this. I created the "Working With photo Etch" article after seeing the many requests here and on other sites requesting information on working with photo etch parts. It's been created in PDF format, so it will download just as you see it on the site FOR FREE! That's right FREE! All you have to do is download the FREE Adobe Acrobat Reader, and you can read all my articles and book reviews. The site is still pretty new, and I'll adding lots more book reviews in the coming days as well as lots of cool articles on building ship models with lots of techniques you will find useful. All the articles you will see are NEW with LOTS more clear, close-up photos. All of which can be downloaded for FREE!!! That's right, NO CHARGE! I've written many articles in the past for FSM and others, and I want to do the same here. The difference with the articles on my site will be no limitations on space. So the articles will be MUCH bigger and more involved, with LOTS of photos and illustrations. As you will see, I've made the new Flagship site more than a place to purchase quality photo etched details and models. It will be THE place to pick up new techniques and see original articles that will appear no where else. Coming in the future to the Flagship Web site: "Building the WEM Benjamin Stoddart" "A NEW article on creating realistic water in large scale" "A brand new article on painting realistic wood decks" "more book reviews" "In progress photos of my latest project, converting the Tamiya 1/350 USS New Jersey to the "Howard Pulver" proposed amphibious assault carrier." Tired of building the same NJ model? I was, so I wanted to do something different with the old Tamiya stand by. Once the build is complete, I'll write an in-depth article with LOTS of techniques and photos so you can build your own model from this oldie, but goodie kit. Don't forget, you'll be able to download it FOR FREE. If you have any questions relating to my articles or techniques described, feel free to email me. Come back often, and let me know what you think of my new site. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. Purchase on line with your Visa/Master Card http://okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Sovremenny Good news, I have found a further stock of the Sovremenny books for all those out there that want/need them, $15PP to the USA. I am also posting more photos of the real ship to the website: http://www.aaahobby.com/sovremenny.html James Corley AAA Hobby Supply email: aaahobby@earthlink.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume