Subject: SMML VOL 1434 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:13:07 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Airbrushing 2: No 3" single covered mounts in Skywave sets 3: Re: Quiet Compressors 4: USS Oriskany 5: Re: resin ship questions about airbrush compressor 6: Re: resin ship questions 7: ICM Hood Kit 8: John's own question.... 9: Re: resin ship questions 10: Elco 80 footer engine hatch/vent details 11: Display case, Upgrade kit 12: Airfix 2002 releases 13: North Cape - Dec 1943 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: URL Changes- AOTS HMS Hood / Information on Hood Models & Miniatures 2: Warship Books announcement 3: Toms 1/200 Scale Sovremenny set -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: david_l._miller@ccmail.wiu.edu Subject: Re: Airbrushing I bought a used regulator and adapter and airbrush with CO2 (20 pound tank). Odorless, dry, and quiet. I used a compressor for a number of years and grew accustomed to the noise, and dealing with condensation. My compressor motor began to act up and I priced new ones and felt they were overpriced. I tried CO2 and really like it. Would not go back to a compressor again, even if someone gave me one. Dave Miller -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: No 3" single covered mounts in Skywave sets For the person that asked, I examined the E-1 (old and new), E-4, E-6 and E-9 sets. None of them have 3" covered mounts. There are 3" twins, both covered and uncovered, and 3" singles uncovered. Joe Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Quiet Compressors Hi John, I will soon need to be exploring this myself, having had to leave my airbrush power source behind when I moved to the UK early this year. But... If you want the ultimate in quiet airbrushing, you can do what I did while still Stateside and buy a bottle of compressed superdry nitrogen from a welding or compressed gas dealer. I used a "Q" bottle, about 4' tall over the valve; the next size up is a "T" bottle, quite a bit bigger as I recall. Put on a regulator, attach the airbrush, and you're set for virtually noiseless airbrushing. I don't know what the current price is for a "Q" bottle, but after the initial outlay, refills are in the neighborhood of $8 - $10, and you can do a LOT of airbrushing on one bottle. I used to do custom locomotive painting for a local hobby shop--meaning I did a lot of airbrushing--and typically got refills once or twice a year. With superdry nitrogen as your source, you never have to worry about moisture problems and hence no filter is required. And the pressure is constant without surges. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: roberto paredes Subject: USS Oriskany Hi Guys, I'm looking photos about the current status of the USS Oriskany in Texas. Does anybody know any news and pictures about it? TIA Roberto Paredes Sitio No Oficial del Ejército y Armada de Chile http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3389/homeffaa.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Bruno Gire" Subject: Re: resin ship questions about airbrush compressor Hello John! I, too, love airbrushing for both planes and ships. I got an Aztek two years ago and, although double action may be difficult to handle at first, it can be worth the extra cost. As for compressor, I got the AirmasterPlus from Micromark (www.micromark.com). At about $200, its a must. The air is pumped through a small tank that eliminates pulsations (as encountered with Tamiya's). In addition, when the tank is full, the compressor is running only when the airbrush trigger is depressed: you can stop, take your time to turn your model, have a drink, or arrange somewhat, then start again: no need to stop/ restart the power. Great comfort at all: no need to go to the backyard cabin to proceed! The trouble is this compressor has an operating pressure which is too big for use with scale models: 50psi (almost 4bar)! My Aztec airbrush has 6 various nozzles which operate from 5 to 40psi (0.4 to 2.8 bar), depending on nozzle diameter, paint or ink type and the effect wanted. So I went to my local tool shop to find a suitable pressure adapter (all the piping is standard, so its easy to find accessoiries). I fitted this, using Teflon film to ensure airtightness, and added the necessary valve, with dial, to obtain adjustable pressures. Now, I'm airbrushing 1/1000 to 1/12 models with various nozzles. For example, I paint large areas with "Acylic general detail nozzle" and 2.2 bar pressure, or small lines with "fine line nozzle", at 0.4 bar or less. I built my own pressure table for various works and for Tamiya, Gunze, Humbrol, Aeromaster and -soon- WEM camo paints. A great thing with airbrushing is the masking of details: I use standard masking tape for large areas and Parafilm for the smallest. Parafilm can be found at the same address: this is a sort of transparent plastic film which has to be stretched to activate its gluing (electrostatic ?) power. When fitted on the model, it can be cut very accurately and shows surrounding area (transparent) for better placing: I used it to paint the deck markings on 1/720 US supercarriers, rather than going with the decals: Waoww! At last, you forgot one "must" about airbrushing: this saves paint! How much Humbrol or WEM tinlets are needed to hand paint an entire 1/350 battleship??? I needed less than 2 Tamiya 23ml bottles of gray for my 1/350 Yamato. Hope this helps Bruno Gire Bordeaux, France -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: ELLshipmodeler@aol.com Subject: Re: resin ship questions john fiebke writes: >> I recently opened up to different scales after years of 1/700 and am getting much more fulfillment out of it. The bigger scales just look more "ship-like" to me. << There are only a handful of kits larger than 1/350. What I want is a WWII heavy cruiser at 1/192 or better yet at 1/96. The price would be high, but the per hour cost and end result would be worth it. Any manufacturers willing to take it on, with lots of state of the art detail? Gene Larson Alexandria, Virginia Member, NRG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: ICM Hood Kit According to Model Ship Journal (Volume 2, Number 3, Autumn 2001), which has only just arrived here in the UK, "ICM's 1/350 HMS Hood should be shipping when this issue of MSJ hits the stands." Can anyone confirm this? Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: John's own question.... >> And now a question of my own. What's a good, and relatively quite compressor? I used to go to the gas station to fill up, but now live on a mountain and it isn't easy to just drive to the station to fill up. The small compressor I have is obnoxiously loud, and my neighbors on this hill are pretty close..ie, I'd wake them up at the hours that I airbrush. << If you want the quitest mean of driving your airbrush, then there is only one option: compressed gas. I've been using a carbon dioxid cylinder (of the type normally used in beer taps) for a couple of years by now, and wouldn't want anything else. You do have to buy a regulator, but the gas itself is very cheap. It is clean (no water, dust or other contaminants, remember it's food quality) and silent, all you hear is the gentle whisp of the airbrush (You can even hear if your airbrush is blowing paint or not) and the valve in the regulator. Over here in Belgium I don't have to buy a cylinder, i just had to pay a sum wich will be refunded once I return the cylinder. If empty I just go to the dealer with the empty cylinder and get a new one, price 20 USD or something like that. The reason I had to go with one was enterily my fault, leaving the cylinder open over the weekend... Other options include compressed air, but the higher pressure involved (200 bar, CO2 usely around 50 bar) probably calls for a more expensive regulator. Furthermore the about 20% oxygen in the air could (a long shot I know) oxidice the paint. Nitrogen is also an option, but more expensive. Erwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ted0330@aol.com Subject: Re: resin ship questions John- Thanks for your comments about airbrushes. I spent a morning learning about them. I too thought a single action would be a lot easier to master, and would be just fine for ships. There were two compressors on sale, for 100.00 or 150.00. The more expensive one had a moisture trap included. I don't recall the brands. I was recommended to use an air cylinder from K-mart that I fill up at the gas station. Sounds like what you're doing. How long does that last? Ted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Stephen Allen Subject: Elco 80 footer engine hatch/vent details Greetings all I'm building a mid/late war 80 footer from the Revell kit, and one detail has me stumped. I can (and have) build the shape of the enlarged engine room hatch used on later boats, but I can't find a clear picture or forward elevation of this fitting that shows the shape and extent of the vent opening immediately above the hatch. This is, I presume, quite a big opening, and I would like to get it shaped correctly. I have ACF Vol II, Victor Chun's PT book and the Squadron publication but just can't seem to find a plan or photo that provides this detail. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Steve (paid up member of the Revell Elco deckplank sanding society) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: IAAFru2@aol.com Subject: Display case, Upgrade kit Hi list, does any one have a good source for a display case for the 1/350 Banner "Arizona" I looking for an oak, plexi (or Glass) style. Any help? 2. I just purchased a 1/350 Revel Germany Kit of the "New Jersey". dose any one know if an upgrade kit is available for it? I would love to do a Photo Etch for it, but have never done one before. How hard are they to do? I have about 20yrs of modeling, but have been away from it for about 6 years and have just re started building. Is there a good reference source on how to do it? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: Airfix 2002 releases Caroline said >> AIRFIX will also be re-releasing the QE2 and a boxed set of four kits: DESTROYERS SET, 4-IN-ONE NARVIK, CAMPBELTOWN, HOTSPUR and COSSACK in 2002. << I am familiar with the Airfix kits of CAMPBELTOWN, HOTSPUR and COSSACK but have not heard of one of the NARVIK. Anyone throw light on this? After all this time, are Airfix actually issuing a new warship kit??? Hi John, Sadly no, Airfix is not yet releasing a new ship. The "Narvik" is a Z class destroyer which was released way back in 1975. Check out Felix's site International Marine Modelling for more info at: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm Regards, Shane - who is salivating at the above mentioned gift pack (or should I say packs after I've finished buying a stack of them) - but I'm also waiting patiently for the Manxman kit to be re-released as well ;-) PS: Check out my Shiplist at the APMA site for some leads on articles for the below question. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: North Cape - Dec 1943 Hi all, Am attempting to model the British forces at that battle and am struggling in a few areas. Duke of York - happy with configuration but unsure about her camouflage at that time. Jamaica - not much found on either. Scorpion - happy with configuration except am not sure whether she had 5th 20mm twin or quad 2pdr. Photos before date show former, 1944 photos show latter. When did the change occur? Camo? Samaurez, Savage, Stord and Virago - seem to be as completed. Camo? (I have seen a number of black and white photos - especially of Samaurez and Scorpion - but I'm not good at translating them into actual colours). Opportune - am happy I have enough details on configuration. Was still in White and W/A blue? Matchless and Muskateer - any ideas on how to model these two in 700th? Conversion articles? Belfast, Norfolk and Sheffield - have reasonable access to configuration but unsure of camo. (In Norfolk's case I will be awaiting the WEM kit unless another comes to light sooner). Any leads or information appreciated. John Sutherland Wellington, NZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Frank Allen Subject: URL Changes- AOTS HMS Hood / Information on Hood Models & Miniatures Hello SMML Hood Fans, 1. AOTS Hood- Thanks to Bill Livingstone for mentioning that we have a link to an information page on the AOTS Hood book. Though Conway asked us to post it a few months ago, the information is still accurate. The only change is the actual location of the page...we are reorganising the site and the URL given yesterday no longer works. The new URL for the page is: http://www.hmshood.f9.co.uk/References/Written/Books1_files/HMSHoodAnatomy.htm (this is on one of our satellite sites that we use to post bulk information). 2. Hood Model Info- I know that some SMML members regularly visit the Hood website's "Scale Models and Miniatures of Hood" section. I just wanted to let you know that it too has moved. It is no longer on our old Geocities satellite site...it is now on the main site (in the "Hood Today" section). The direct URL is now: http://hmshood.com/models/Models.html Hopefully all links are working! Frank Allen H.M.S. Hood Association website (http://hmshood.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Warship Books announcement Hi all, Two new books from Vanwell: This book is like an AOTS, lots of drawings and plans. The Hudson's Bay Company 1835 Steam Ship Beaver Canada $74Cdn + shipping USA & Intl $46US + shippping This book is filled with photos. The Ships of Canada's Marine Service Canada $56Cdn + shipping USA & Intl $35US + shipping PLEASE NOTE: credit card purchase's are now available through paypal.com. Remember: You can sell your used books or extra kits on the site at no cost or obligation, just email me with your ad. Regards Keith Butterley http://www.warshipbooks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Tom & Carolyn Harrison" Subject: Toms 1/200 Scale Sovremenny set As an FYI we are also in the process of designing a detailing set for the Trumpeter 1/200 Scale Sovremenniy kits and hope to have artwork completed by end of year. Our new 1/700 Arizona set #750 for the Trumpeter kit is in for filming and the brass will be available by the end of the year. Set 750 includes kit specific rails, cranes, catapults, booms etc. More information and these and other new sets currently in for filming will be posted on this site as they become available. Happy Holidays, Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume