Subject: SMML VOL 1436 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:18:16 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Memories; WAS: Airfix 2002 releases 2: Re: Airfix 2002 releases 3: Oriskany 4: Re: ORISKANY 5: James Cameron? 6: Re: Skywave weapons E-6 set 7: Re: 1/700 Russian insignia 8: Re: ICM Hood Kit 9: Re: Trumpeter news 10: Re: ICM Hood and Essex 11: Uniform Questions 12: Re: Elco 80 footer engine hatch/vent details 13: sub's design future 14: Re: Problems with PE-sets 15: Re: CA glue problems 16: Re: Skywave E-6 17: Making (frothy) waves in 1:72 or 1:144 18: RN units at North Cape December 1943 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: 1/700 Russian aircraft insignia 2: HMS HOOD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Maze Subject: Memories; WAS: Airfix 2002 releases >> Yes, the Airfix 1/600 HMS Campletown is the old USN 4 piper. << Strange how the oddest thing can trigger a long forgotten memory. This was one of the first, possiblly the very first, ship kits I ever built. My uncle, who was in the Army at the time, used to bring me Airfix kits whenever he came home on leave. I've always remembered the Spit and Me109 he brought me - which I built - and I still have the Me262 MIB that he brought me, but I had forgotten about Campbelltown, until now. BTW, that was c. 1962. JohnM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Airfix 2002 releases >> Yes, the Airfix 1/600 HMS Campletown is the old USN 4 piper. She was part of the 50 old USN destroyers transferred to the RN. She was later used in the St Nazaire raid. << Wasn't she modified from a 4 pipe to a 2 pipe configuration in RN service?? Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: Oriskany the latest update on the status of Oriskany came from NavSea at the HNSA (Historic Naval Ships Assn) meeting in Wilmington NC this past October. we all know she's awaiting scrap. the additional info from NavSea, much to the chagrin of other HNSA member ships, is that she's off limits to even parts collecting due to unsafe nature of some of her decks. therefore, no one is allowed aboard. I had heard earlier when she was still at Mare Island in Vallejo CA the scrapper had cut off the mast which then, as it fell, holed the flight deck. Hornet was the last to get major parts from Oriskany. the escalator (restored by Bay Area Rapid Transit), bedspring and dish radar, and various other bits of electronics and fittings, all came from Oriskany and are now part of Hornet. A small correction: Hornet's flight deck was not covered with plywood--the scuppers, expansion joints and catapult tracks were, but the balance of the deck and catwalks were coated with foam (described to me as 'kapok') which was then covered with a fiberglass/asphalt mat that had had many coats of paint on it when I first encountered it. when we first took possession of Hornet, that first summer was spent stripping all that stuff off the flight deck which revealed faded deck markings underneath (and many rotting aluminum plates on the angle deck portion). the Museum recently was awarded a grant by the National Park Service to restore the deck to original operational appearance. s. sachsen, archivist uss hornet museum www.uss-hornet.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Dave Shirlaw Subject: Re: ORISKANY Obtained this update from a naval historian friend in San Diego: ORISKANY was towed from Bremerton to Beaumont several years ago. Apparently the Navy believed they could find a scrapper easier on the Gulf coast. However, that hasn't happened and the government will now have to pay to have it scrapped. It's official status in the MARAD NDRF is "Reimbursable Non-retention" meaning that the Navy is paying MARAD to berth the old relic which won't be retained. Dave Shirlaw Editor, Seawaves Magazine www.seawaves.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Joseph Norris Subject: James Cameron? Is James Cameron still on the mailing list? If so, drop me a line!! Joe Norris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Lkjohnson214@aol.com Subject: Re: Skywave weapons E-6 set You can find them in the Revell/Germany USS Flint/USS San Diego kit which uses the Skywave/Dragon molds and the kit contains this weapons set. My local hobby shop buys up damaged kits from distributors and seems to have a lot of these pass through. The owner sells them to me for 3 to 5 dollars each, and I pick them up just for the weapons sets. I must have gone through 12 in the last 18 months. I am going down there in the next week and see if he's got any more damaged stock that has come in. Lance Johnson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Lkjohnson214@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/700 Russian insignia Try www.regalminiatures.com I used their 1/300 scale aircraft small sheets to a pack and has several dozen insignia, the smaller ones being quite useable in 1/700 scale. Also the Aoshima 1/700 scale USSR Naval Plane set included a sheet of red stars. Lance -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: ICM Hood Kit >> About ICM's 1/350 Hood kit, Airandseamodels.com said in the current issue that the kit will not be released in 2001 nor in 2002, according to a "very reliable source in Britain." I don't want to believe this, but Model Ship Journal's statement which Leslie Brown told us! Does anyone know more about the kit?? << According to ICM, at the October Model and Toy Convention in Chicago, one of the molds broke during a test run, and the number of parts tree's was increased from 8 to 12. ICM stated that they hoped to get the kit out by March 2002. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Trumpeter news >> In 1/700 there's a couple of New Jersey class battleships in 1980s configuration. << I just got a Trumpeter 1/700 USS Arizona. A quick review would be summed up in two words, IT SUCKS! They need to stick to 1/350 scale. I bought it for $5.00 and I still think IT SUCKS! Just my humble opinion, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Re: ICM Hood and Essex Hi, Well, it certainly seems ICM won't be quick with the planned 1/350 kits. On the plane talk forum on Hyperscale (OK, I admit: I build wingy things also, but I try to stay with FAA and Coastal Command stuff...) there's plenty of rumour going on regarding the precarious financial situation of ICM. Seems their latest P-51 kits are plain copies of the Tamiya kit. If they're not carefull someone else will have the first : From what I've read there (PT Forum) Trumpeter is planning to release 3 (THREE!!!) new 1/350 carriers : Hornet, Essex, and another one I can't remember off hand. Now, if someone could talk them in doing the Hood also... Erwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Uniform Questions Osprey Publishing have recently released a book entitled 'The Royal Navy 1939-45' which describes the various 'uniforms' worn. It appears that in 'small ships', the dress regulations were frequently relaxed. I have not had the opportunity to read the complete book yet but it would appear that ratings normally wore blue caps, pullovers and trousers with boots. In rough weather, they frequently wore black oilskins or fawn/light brown duffel coats for protection against the cold. There are in existence a large number of photographs showing coastal forces ratings wearing white pullovers. Of course, the engineers normally wore blue overalls - whether on deck or in the engine room! I believe the naval 'battledress' is more correctly known as Working Dress 5A. In this case, officers normally wore blue shirts and black ties or white jumpers for warmth. They also frequently wore duffel coats or oilskins in bad weather. Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: Elco 80 footer engine hatch/vent details Yesterday, a gentleman asked about more data on the air intake hatch on the Elco 80 footers ... I would suggest that he contact: PT BOATS, INC. P.O. BOX 38070 GERMANTOWN, TN 38183-0070 Or, at www.ptboats.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: sub's design future I saw in a paper today( 7th Sydney , telegraph) , that in the UK there are experimenting with a 7ft (?) model of the future of submarine design. Gone will be the propellers or screws (if you want to be technical) & will be replaced by a fin & have the movement of a shark's tail as with the tail it leaves no wake or turbulence in the water will be interesting to see how the movement & the water proofing of the "tail"section ..So Seaquest DSV is looking more real!(well thats why Prof Bollard left after a few seasons as it was getting too off track & he wanted to be associated with a sci-fi show that was supposed to be future techinically correct or something like that) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Eduardo Luis Marcovecchio" Subject: Re: Problems with PE-sets >> I work mostly with 1/350 - 1/700 ship models and tend to find the gluing of PE-details such as railings-to-hull and 3D-catapults&cranes quite difficult. The problem is that CA "instant" glue isn't at all "instant" and I seem to have a problem in creating a solid bond. Have tried different de-greasing solutions but problem is reappearing. Anyone have a universal answer to this...? << Hello Arne, Well, I'm still learning about attaching PE parts, but a method I'm using right now is to use a very small amount of white glue (diluted with water if too thick), and attach the railings with it. This way, there is some time to adjust the position of the part. After dry, I use a toothpick or something like that to run some CA glue around the area where the PE part meets the plastic. That way, it's possible to have precise and strong bonding between the model and PE parts. Thanks. Eduardo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Ted0330@aol.com Subject: Re: CA glue problems Even the faster Ca glues are slow enough that delicate parts need to be held in place for a couple of minutes. The answer for me has been Ca accelerator - spray onto one part and put a bead of glue on the other. Contact produces a near instantaneous bond. A question for all about gluing railings- I get a great bond, but have daubs of CA cement where I don't want to see them. Any tips on the applying of this material to avoid this? Ted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Skywave E-6 You'll find it in any of the DE kits (x2) and also in the Bogue and Independence kits. After buidling any of these you should have plenty of left over parts for your model. Marc Flake -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "ian and sharyn" Subject: Making (frothy) waves in 1:72 or 1:144 Hi SMMLies, I'm looking to scratchbuild a 1:72 (or maybe 1:144) hydrofoil in foil-borne waterline form (which means everything is out of the water other than the foils/prop shaft. Does anyone have any experience/tips on imitating the froth and spray that will be required to suggest the speed (35 knots +)? Interested in any web photos etc which demonstrate the effects. I'm OK with the waves themselves, and the colouring effects etc - it's just the froth I'm a bit stumped by. Best I could think of was the froth off the top of a good Aussie beer - but I don't think that'd have the staying power ;-p Ian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: RN units at North Cape December 1943 Hi John Duke of York, according to Warship 11, was painted in G10 (hull) and G45 (superstructure) from March 1943 to September 1944. The article contains no information on colours of horizontal surfaces but I would hazard a guess at the planked areas being unpainted and the metal surfaces being B20. Warship 9 has details and drawings of the A&As carried out between completion and the North Cape action but I believe from your post that you already have this information. I will have to dig a bit more deeply for the other ones, hopefully over the weekend. Robert Lockie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Loren Perry Subject: Re: 1/700 Russian aircraft insignia >> Does any one know where I can 1/700 scale Russian aircraft insigna. You know the Red Star. Because of the Taliban War I'd like to try make a diaroma with 1/700 aircraft. Any help would be appreciated. << Gold Medal Models has Russian aircraft decal markings. Order Decal No. 700-3D (1/700 Aircraft Insignia decals), priced at $6 plus $1 postage. The sheet provides several dozen red stars in 1/700 scale. See the GMM web page for more details: www.goldmm.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Graeme Martin Subject: HMS HOOD Hello everyone. Does anybody have a good condition copy of "the battlecruiser Hood " by John Roberts for sale? it was a Conway Anatomy of a ship series. Graeme Martin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume