Subject: SMML VOL 1437 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 22:45:50 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Trumpeter release list 2: Re: Airfix 2002 releases 3: Re: Campbeltown, uniforms and frothy waves 4: Re: HMS Campbeltown 5: HMS Galatea 6: Dispensing cyanoacrylate 7: Re: Problems with PE-sets 8: Frothy waves? 9: Re: Airfix 2002 Releases 10: Re: Problems with PE sets and also CA glue problems 11: Subs future design 12: HMS Vega 13: Re: Skywave weapons set E-6 14: Re: 1/700 Russian aircraft insignia 15: Cyano Quick Cure 16: Ca glue problems 17: PRINZ EUGEN's visit in Boston 18: Face down in glue and paint 19: AOTS HMS Hood 20: Re: Display cases 21: E-6 Sets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: International Maritime Modeling December 2001 Update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Trumpeter release list Haven't seen this list here yet, so here are the ships (I left the wingy things and the stuff for tread heads off): 1:60 Mayflower Sailing Ship Chinese Chengho Sailing Ship 1:700 USS Iowa '1985' USS New Jersey '1983' 1:350 CV-8 USS Hornet CV-9 USS Essex CV-10 USS Yorktown 1:144 Russian Kilo Class Sub I would avoid there 1/700 stuff, even what they look to have copied from DML or Skywave is crap ... flat bottoms and holes for little motors. Their two other 1/144 subs have been worthwhile kits, if a little crude. Got a feeling the Mayflower might be the old Revell(?) kit. Of course, the big question is will the Hornet and Essex be just bigger copies of the older ships, or will they engineer the thing right this time. I can see it now, pantographs of the Revell Yorktown, Lindberg Essex (WW2) and Revell Hornet (SCB-27C) with all the little errors just made bigger and with aircraft of similar quality as those on their Nimitz kits. Those planes were lumps that were barely recognizable **ONLY** because you knew what they were supposed to be! James Corley AAA Hobby Supply email: aaahobby@earthlink.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: Airfix 2002 releases >> Wasn't she modified from a 4 pipe to a 2 pipe configuration in RN service?? << After being transferred to the RN, the basic modifications to ex BUCHANAN/CAMPBELTOWN included cutting down the aft-most stack, removing the two aft banks of torpedo tubes, and replacing the aft 4"/50 with a 12 pdr. For the St. Nazaire raid, she was drastically modified to resemble a MOWE class torpedo boat. In this configuration, she had two stacks. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: Campbeltown, uniforms and frothy waves Campbeltown had the sternmost funnel reduced in height while she operated as convoy escort and had 2 funnels removed completly when pretending to be a german vessel at St Nazaire. The excellent "Anatomy" book shows these changes very well. There's a very good article on converting her to the the Dock raider in one of the Airfix Magazine annuals. From the pictures I've seen the most common dress for seamen seems to have been boiler suits and sea boots with Duffels or Oilskins. I have seen a method used to make foam using Cyanoacrylate although I've not tried this myself. Use a drinking straw to blow air into the superglue and then allow it to set. This method is used by Nick Parks and Co to create suds for Wallace and Grommit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: HMS Campbeltown Hi Brad, She was in 4-stack configuration for most of her RN service, until modified to 2-stack configuration, disguised as a Kriegsmarine Torpedoboat, specifically for the St. Nazaire raid. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John Currie Subject: HMS Galatea Hi all, I have the Skytrex HMS Galatea and the intention is to complete her in her final configuration, could somebody please confirm whether she had the after HACS added during her last refit prior to being lost. USS ELROD FFG-55 has just joined our group this morning having relieved the USS SAMUEL E MORRISON. Very Many Thanks John Currie CPO(M) Royal Navy (At sea for another Xmas) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Dispensing cyanoacrylate I was fortunate to have a method for obtaining very small quantities of cyanoacrylate from a tube demonstrated to me by Darren Scannell at the UK IPMS Nats last year. He takes a piece of thin clear plastic tubing (he uses stuff used by the r/c aircraft fraternity that looks much like a Bic biro refill) and stretches it over a flame like the technique used for making stretched sprue until the thinnest piece is very thin. He then cuts it in the middle and also at one end of the elongated cone such that there is a few mm of the original tubing diameter left. The nozzle of the cyano tube (made of a similar material to the tubing apparently, so the glue will not bond it) is then cut down so that thicker end of the stretched tubing can be slid tightly inside. Squeeze the cyano tube and out comes a very small bead of glue from the thin end. If none comes out at all, don't squeeze harder (!) but snip off a bit as the hole is probably too small. When the hole clogs up, snip off the end and carry on, until the hole gets too big, at which point replace it with another bit of stretched tubing. I watched this happen (it is much easier to demonstrate than to describe) and it was very impressive. He glued a piece of p/e railing in 1/700 scale before my eyes - there was no adhesive residue visible at all and the railing was firmly attached to the base. It was the closest I got to modelling all year.. Robert Lockie Swindon UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: VonsGiftWorld@aol.com Subject: Re: Problems with PE-sets >> I work mostly with 1/350 - 1/700 ship models and tend to find the gluing of PE-details such as railings-to-hull and 3D-catapults&cranes quite difficult. The problem is that CA "instant" glue isn't at all "instant" and I seem to have a problem in creating a solid bond. Have tried different de-greasing solutions but problem is reappearing. Anyone have a universal answer to this...? << Arne, CA glues are still the way to go. The trick is using small amounts. When larger amounts are used, it takes longer for it to set, in these cases, use an accelerator. When dealing with long lengths or large PE parts, "spot welding" helps. As with sections of railing. Place a very small drop at the beginning (hit it with accelerator if needed) and then continue to spot weld every three or four stanchions. Once you have finished the length of rail, go back and run a small bead of CA throughout the length. I have found that Duro's white tube superglue works great with PE. I have tried lesser brands before and they never seemed to cure. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Gord and Doreen Smith Subject: Frothy waves? Hello Ian, For some data on wave making see http://warship.simplenet.com/WavePatterns.htm it may help. Gordo Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: Airfix 2002 Releases >> Wasn't she modified from a 4 pipe to a 2 pipe configuration in RN service?? << Dear Bradford, Yes, indeed. For the St Nazaire raid she was modified to resemble a German Mowe Class torpedo boat. Among other things, she had her forward funnel cut at an angle, her second funnel shortened and the two after ones removed and blanked off. My question is, and this is not answered in AOTS Campbeltown, did this mean that she ran on half her boiler capacity for the raid, or were the after boilers ducted through the forward two funnels? Regards, David Griffith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: Problems with PE sets and also CA glue problems Dear whoever it was who posted these questions, (That sounds better than "to whom it may concern") This is my method for attaching photo etch rails with CA glue. Take some small slips of Tamiya masking tape, say 3mm wide and place them very lightly on the outside of the hull so that they stick above the deck a bit like stanchions. Put them about 15mm apart. The length of railing can now be placed gently in a vertical position at the extreme edge of the deck by being supported with the masking tape. If you have not pressed anything too hard against the masking tape it is possible to adjust the position to ensure that you are making contact with the deck all along the length of the railing strip. Drops of thin CA can be run along the inside of the join between railing and deck to make a firm join. The pieces of masking tape can be carefully removed without causing damage to the railings. Using this method it is entirely possible to fix a complete length of Gold Medal extra fine railing in one go, no joins, no joking, no sweat!! (and no Largactil!!) Regards, David Griffith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Subs future design >> I saw in a paper today( 7th Sydney, telegraph), that in the UK there are experimenting with a 7ft (?) model of the future of submarine design. Gone will be the propellers or screws (if you want to be technical) & will be replaced by a fin & have the movement of a shark's tail as with the tail it leaves no wake or turbulence in the water will be interesting to see how the movement & the water proofing of the "tail"section .. << I came across a report similar to the above too. There is in fact an earlier Scientific American report of a working model of a Tuna to study its swimming characteristics. Two questions. A sub is a pretty big underwater object. To try to pass it off as a sharklike object means side to side fin movements for propulsion. This creates wave signatures that can be detected and there is no living fish like organism that can create that size of wave. Even if the sub tries to simulate the up and down movements of a whale's tail the forces needed to propel a large sub will still create an underwater to surface wave signatures that is unnatural and therefore distinctive for a sub. The marine animal model of propulsion is very efficient for low speeds and can even sustain short bursts of speed for something like 30 knots underwater. Presumably a fin propulsion sub does not need to go anywhere fast during a routine patrol. But in a combat situation it will need speed to maneuver. The complexity of control in a frenetic threshing tail can be fatal under combat conditions. A conventional propeller is far more efficient under these circumstances. Its hard to imagine a large sub being propelled by this fish-fin method. On the other hand it make sense to use this method for intelligent torpedoes. It will be hard for the target's sensors to distinguish the torpedo from ordinary denizens of the sea. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: HMS Vega Greetings: I recently bought the HMS Vega by Armada Scale Models. It's a pretty nice model. I am, however, having some difficulty deciding which era the model represents. I have Raven/Robert's "V & W Class Destroyers," and from that I have roughly dated the fit to 1919 to 1939. She isn't in a WWI configuration and is before her conversion to Wair AA escort. Anyone have any ideas? I am also looking for materials about V & W class boats. I also have access to Marsh's "British Destroyers." Are there other sources either in print or online? Further, I need some color data for the late WWI period and early 1920s. Jon Warneke. Please contact me. Thanks, John Collins Atlanta, GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: HAZEGRAYADM@aol.com Subject: Re: Skywave weapons set E-6 Mr G.Broman's quest for Skywave's set E-6 (Formerly known as #48) will require robbing the many existing kits of their parts. If you don't mind an updated version of the same set (Which now appears in the Cleveland class CL kits) look for, or order, set E-9. It has better 40mm mounts along with generally improved small parts. Bert McDowell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/700 Russian aircraft insignia Hi Guys Thanks for the replies on the Russian insigna. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Cyano Quick Cure >> The problem is that CA "instant" glue isn't at all "instant" and I seem to have a problem in creating a solid bond. << Hi Arne: I just finished a ship model that used up a lot of CA glue. I used Insta-Set accelerator (distributed to hobby shops by Bob Smith Industries of Atascadero, CA) to set up the finicky railings especially where the met the ladders. insta-Set cures cyano fast and has a semi-pleasant aroma (still nasty stuff as it's a synthetic hydrocadeon-whatever that is- and has the usual warnings about skin contact, etc.). For fine detailing, don't bother using the spray, you'll most likely miss anyway and get it on parts of the model you don't want slimed. I used a pipette or any handy plastic rod lying on the table to drop the liquid where needed. It comes in a small brown bottle of 2 oz. or so and can be pre-applied to the surface before gluing as well. Hope this helps, Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Susan Cowardin" Subject: Ca glue problems >> Even the faster Ca glues are slow enough that delicate parts need to be held in place for a couple of minutes. The answer for me has been Ca accelerator - spray onto one part and put a bead of glue on the other. Contact produces a near instantaneous bond. << I have found that Super Glue GEL, usually sold in Home Depot Stores, works reasonably well for attaching PE parts and can be wiped off with little damage if done immediately. It seems far more controllable than the thin mixtures of Ca and seems to dry faster. Steve Cowardin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject: PRINZ EUGEN's visit in Boston There is a very knowledgeable veteran volunteer serving on the USN Destroyer CASSIN YOUNG (DD 793) museum ship in the BOSTON NAVY YARD in Charlestown who sailed on the PRINZ EUGEN during her transfer from Germany to Boston and to the atom blasts far beyond. There was a question several months ago on this page as to when the PE was in Boston and San Diego. He knows the exact dates and a lot more as I learned from a brief conversation with him. He knows all the details. Contact the ship site: http://www.maritime.org/hnsa-casyng.htm U. Rudofsky -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Face down in glue and paint Ahhh-to finally finish a model. Spent the last month or so face down in the paint and glue, sucking fumes to transform a pile of plastic and brass into a model ship. During these past few weeks, I told Cindy I'd never build another ship again (see the cover of the Summer 2001 Model Ship Journal for the subject vessel). What a nasty little bugger! All full of 1960's era curves and compound angles-tricky decks going up, down and all 'round, winches and cranes everywhere. God, I hated that ship. I was glad to deliver her to the customer. They fawned over it and gasped at the detail. Like proud parents, they took pictures of it. Feeling guilty, I saw only the flaws and was already mentally sizing up the next subject lying not far away at her pier. A nice little wooden research vessel, 1950s era, all wood and brass--yeah, the possibilities... A chance to do even better next time. Coming home, the mess in the shop--junk everywhere, paint here and there, dust on the tables, tools scattered about and the awful, nauseating stench of Testor's Dullcote hanging in the air still. The ship I lived with constantly was gone. All those lost hours of sleep and fretting over details; shooting up from a deep sleep at 3 a.m, "Oh my GOD! I gotta do three more winches!!!" No time to do anything else but aim for the deadline--Uncle Sam hates to do contract extension paperwork. Oh did I mention, the next issue of Model Ship Journal will be 4 weeks late? She's gone now. The shop feels like an empty nest. Sure will miss that pretty little model... Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Michael J. D'Silva" Subject: AOTS HMS Hood Hello Graeme, Amazon.com have a listing for the book you seek. Their price is $25.86 + postage, with a 4 to 6 week delay. As far as I can discern, they also have access to secondhand copies for this title. For more details, follow the link to www.amazon.com and search using the following criterion -- Anatomy of the ship. That should give you a comprehensive listing of all they have available in the series. Good luck in your quest, Michael J. D'Silva -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Display cases Anyone wanting a first rate looking base and cover for a reasonable price, contact BC Plastics. http://bc-plastic.com/ Rusty White 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Bill Oreto" Subject: E-6 Sets I miss the E-6 sets especially the 40mm quad gun tubs and a few other parts no longer found on the E-9 sets. Skywave just recently re-released the SW-32 set which was a good source for Tomahawk box launchers among other things. I don't understand why they discontinue these offerings. If there is not "much demand" for these kits then cut back in supply but not cut off. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: International Maritime Modeling December 2001 Update I am pleased to announce that the latest update to International Maritime Modeling has been uploaded. http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm The December 2001 update to the site includes: Photos of Keith Jones' 1/400 scale HMS Alisma and Zdzislaw Rusinowski's 1/400 scale HMS Sheffield in the Gallery. Reviews of the KazusaMinato Navy Yard 1/500 scale Mikuma and Mogami and the Trumpeter 1/200 scale Sovremenny in Quick Kit Reviews. Reviews of the Gold Medal Models 1/500 scale IJN Battleship and 1/500 scale IJN Cruiser/Destroyer sets in Photoetch Reviews. Reviews of Slava, Udaloy and Sovremenniy, Warship Pictorial #12: Benson/Gleaves Class Destroyers and Warship Pictorial #14: USS Wichita in Book Reviews. Updated the Atlantic Models pages with some kit news in the Kit List Page. Updated the White Ensign Models and Tom's Modelworks pages in the Photoetch List Page. Review of the White Ensign Models Colourcoats line of paints in the Paints List Page. I would also like to thank all of you for your support of International Maritime Modeling, which has now exceed 100,000 hits since it first debuted. Wishing all of you a fantastic Holiday Season and a happy and healthy New Year 2002. Regards, Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling URL: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume