Subject: SMML VOL 1459 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 05:38:01 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: WWII Russian Submarines 2: Heller HMS Hood 3: Re: Question on repairing ivory carved items from World War II 4: Re: HMS Barham 5: Re: First ship to enter Pearl Harbor after the bombing on December 7th 6: Card Stock Ship 7: Card Stock Oiler? 8: HMS HOOD 9: Chinese Junks 10: Re: second finials afterthought (or an alternative to finials) 11: Re: HMS Barham 12: What is the release date for the Tamiya 1/700 Prinz Eugen? 13: Re: Lindberg Jolly Roger & USS Constellation 14: HP Prinz Eugen Instructions 15: FineScale Modeler - February 2002 16: Arizona 12/10/41 Diorama on eBay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Hypothetical ruling for ships in IPMS/USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: nd.ward@virgin.net Subject: WWII Russian Submarines Any one have any thoughts on russian submarine colours of WWII? I assume a dark blue grey for the upperworks, but the lower hull? Dave Ward -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "mkwb@excite.com" Subject: Heller HMS Hood >> I just received the new papers from our Airfix/Heller import 2002 and not only the small Airfix boats will be produced next year in one set, also the QE 2 and the HMS Nelson in 1:600 and at last the 1:400 Heller Hood. Perhaps now WEM or some one else can make a nice PE set for it. << Heller's Hood requires a lot more than photoetch to turn it from a sow's purse into a silk ear. Or something like that. I've posted some pictures of the Heller Hood I built a few years ago that I recently sold. It was totally reconstructed, and doesn't resemble the original kit at all, for aside from the hull, the original Heller kit isn't much better than the Lindberg kit. You can see the photos at: http://ihphobby.tripod.com/hellerhood.html. Allow the photos some time to load, and if they don't all load the first time, try reloading the page. Tripod can be a bit temperamental. Thanks, Mike Bartel IHP http://ihphobby.tripod.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Erhardtsen" Subject: Re: Question on repairing ivory carved items from World War II >> The ships are 200 years old and were carved by french prisoners. As to value they are irreplacable I'm sure. The doctor that owns them is the one that broke them and if you've ever seen a grown man cry well it isn't pretty. I was actually wanting to go the exotic route and use the same adhesives the makers use. Well not exactly but try to find out what kinds of adhesives they would use 200 years ago. I.e. do tree saps sound too outlandish? << They do have this kind of models (made by Danish prisoners of war in the Napoleon war) at Orlogsmuseet in Copenhagen http://www.kulturnet.dk/homes/orlm/ Erik Erhardtsen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: HMS Barham Quoting from Raven, Alan and John Roberts, "Queen Elizabeth Class Battleships", Ensign 4, Bivouac Books, 1975: "By mid-1940 Barham and Malaya were both wearing camouflage. Barham's camouflage was a throw-back to the designs of the First World War, and consisted of large grey disruptions on a light grey field. Malaya's was similar except that the disruptions were smaller. It is not known for how long the two ships carried these patterns but by late 1940 Barham had reverted back to an overall medium grey [NOTE: AP 507B]. "At some time during the first months of 1941 Barham was again sporting camouflage, the colours this time being Home Fleet dark grey [NOTE: AP 507A] and white [or possibly AP 507C?]. The type was an adaptation of the well-known Peter Scott camouflage and was known as the modified Peter Scott scheme. Barham was believed to be wearing this type when she was lost." There are two view of Barham in this scheme, on pages 40 and 43, though it would be tough to work up the pattern from these two photos. We have a copy of this book in our pre-owned book list if you're interested. Barham also appears in three of the Naval Video Time Capsules videos, including one frighteningly close view along her port side in that famous sequence that ends with her blowing up after being torpedoed. I haven't watched that one in a while, but it should show her portside pattern pretty well. We can supply those videos in either PAL or NTSC format. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Burl Burlingame Subject: Re: First ship to enter Pearl Harbor after the bombing on December 7th Might have been USS Ward, which entered the harbor for a quickie refuel in the early afternoon. Burl Burlingame -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Card Stock Ship After several years of searching, I finally managed to find the Fly Model's 1:200 USS California card stock model through Redstarmodels (www.redstarmodels.com) No way in hades I'm going to attempt this one any time in the near future because it looks to be a complex build (I only thought resin looked tough when I first saw it), and (moreso) I don't have room for a 3 foot long battleship at the moment. Lets face it....had to have it because I'm a California'holic okay. The fact the instructions are all in Polish doesn't help either. I'm going to have to find a more simplistic card stock kit to get my feet wet before I attempt building this one. Don't know what yet, but I'm keeping my options open. Digital Navy has a few freebee download kits I'm considering. A few questions though come to mind about this monster. The exterior parts of the ship are printed on card stock, but the interior framework is printed on regular paper. The Immediate thought that comes to mind...surely this isn't what you use to build your frame work with. So I'm guessing those parts are just patterns used to cut parts from a more durable material. Question is...what kind of material? Heavy card stock, bristol board, wood, plastic, what? Has anyone here ever attempted to apply brass PE railing to a card stock kit. At 1:200 scale, it's gonna look naked without railings. So, I'm wondering if it will be strong enough to support at least that much brass. I know there's a brass kit for the 1:200 Nichimo Y@m@to out there, which got my brain thinking along these lines. If there's an alternative, I'd like to hear it. Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Card Stock Oiler? Anyone know of a place that makes a card stock T2 or T3 oiler. Saw a liberty ship at nats a few years back, so I figured it was worth a query. Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "David's Alt" Subject: HMS HOOD What is the opinion of the members of the Lindberg HMS Hood in 1/400. And does anyone know where I can get the Trumpeter Arizona, here in Australia. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "George J. Stein" Subject: Chinese Junks After the recent VERY informative discussion of Pyro/Lindberg ships, I wish to pose a similar question. Lindberg (ex-Pyro?) has a "Chinese War Junk." It is clearly 20th century as it has a prop and carries what appear to be 3 2lb guns and six "Lewis" machine guns. The Japanese company Imai has another Junk (1:60th scale) which also has a prop and carries one 2lb and four 30cal Browning mgs. Neither set of kit instructions or box art provide any info on the prototypes of these 20th century armed Junks. (And searching the Net for "armed Chinese Junks" has not produced results.) So, as these are 20th century motorized warships, I turn to the experts of SMML. Happy New Year. George Stein, Alabama -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Darren Subject: Re: second finials afterthought (or an alternative to finials) A suggestion. I have successfully used brass candle stick holders from the local dollar store to make supports for sailing ships on display. Two holders, a razor saw, some Brasso and a couple of screws and bingo, a sharp looking stand. The local dollar store in my area has several different types of holders and they are 1-2 bucks each. Darren Scannell Bowmanville, Canada Where winter is finally trying to get a hold, but we can still feel good that Buffalo got all the snow and not us! (hey, at least we're sending plows!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: IAAFru2@aol.com Subject: Re: HMS Barham >> I am getting ready to build a model of the H.M.S. Barham as it was during late '41 in the Med. I would like to find out what camouflage pattern and color it wore at that time. I have looked all over and can't find any info on this particular ship for that time frame. Any help would be appreciated. << Have you tried this The Ship Camouflage Website George Frey Life member PHHA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: What is the release date for the Tamiya 1/700 Prinz Eugen? Does anyone know the release date for the recently announced 1/700 KM Prinz Eugen kit? You can guess why I am asking! Please post answers to this news group. Thanks, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Lindberg Jolly Roger & USS Constellation Hi SMML, The very interesting thread about the Lindberg "Jolly Roger" and other Lindberg kits of sailing ships makes me wonder about the Lindberg kit that purports to be of the frigate USS Constellation. Does anyone know the story on this kit? Does it really represent the Constellation? If so, which one - the original one or the later one that now adorns Baltimore Harbor? Thanks! I've been meaning to ask about this for a long time.... Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: HP Prinz Eugen Instructions Hi SMML, Would anyone happen to have a set of instructions for the HP 1/700 kit of the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen? I got the kit from someone in Germany and it came without a set of instructions. I would very much appreciate a copy! Thanks, Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Michael Quan" Subject: FineScale Modeler - February 2002 The latest issue of FineScale Modeler magazine to hit my mailbox features models from the 2001 IPMS/USA National Convention held in Chicago. Bravo Zulu go to fellow SMMLie Texan Ed Grune for his featured 1/350th scale USS Abnaki (ATF-96). Well done sir! cheers, Mike Quan Rockwall Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Arizona 12/10/41 Diorama on eBay I sure as heck can't afford it, but it's interesting to see other people's handiwork. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1683759952 Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Hypothetical ruling for ships in IPMS/USA The IPMS/USA Contest Rules Committee has been trying to rewrite the Hypothetical rule in time for the Virginia Beach convention for quite some time now. Unfortunately, since this is so potentially complicated in order to cover all classes at the Nationals, we just can't get it worked out in time to be published in the IPMS/USA Journal in advance of the 2002 event as stated in our Constitution. As a result, we are going to leave the Hypothetical rule as is for the Va. Beach convention. However, there is a section in the rules that gives the Head Judge the authority to override ANY rule if it is warranted in his opinion. Since we have determined that the hypothetical rule needs to be "refined," (especially where ships are concerned) I hope not to have any ships moved to the Hypothetical category unless absolutely necessary. And since the rule (as written) is not equitable to ship models, it being "warranted" shouldn't be too hard to prove in my opinion. Right now, everyone on the committee agrees something has to done to the hypothetical rule as it is currently written. It's just so complicated, that we can't decide exactly what will be done in the time we have left before Va. Beach. So the Hypothetical rule will be on the agenda for the 2002 CC meeting. One way or the other, a solution will be found in time for the Oklahoma City convention. The rule will be changed. It's just going to take a little longer than I expected. Rusty White Head IPMS/USA Ship Judge 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume