Subject: SMML VOL 1460 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 04:25:12 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Lindberg Hood- the "Ed Wood" of Hood Models 2: Hasagawa HMS Vanguard 3: Re: First ship to enter Pearl Harbor after the bombing on December 7th 4: First ship in Pearl 5: Card stock ship and USS California... 6: Re: Ships Entering Pearl Harbor 7: Trumpeter ships/boats 8: Frames for Card Models 9: Re: Glue for bone ships 10: Tamiya 1/700 Prinz Eugen 11: Re: Card Stock Ship 12: Re: Card Stock Ships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: NEW AND RE-STOCKS 2: Model Ship Journal For Winter 2001-2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Happy New Year to all. Here's hoping that 2002 will be a great year for all SMMLies, without the turmoil of this year just past. We'd like to thank all those people who have made SMML the stunning success that it is. Especially those SMMLies we met whilst travelling in the UK. It was an immense pleasure to put faces to the names at FOTS, SMMLie BBQ and others whom we met travelling ;-). To the Risbury Mob - keep your fridge well stocked as you never know when we may drop by again ;-þ To the Seaham Mob - May the grass grow again ;-) Shane and Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Frank Allen Subject: Lindberg Hood- the "Ed Wood" of Hood Models Hi David, Frank Allen of the HMS Hood Association website here. The Lindberg model is a great toy, but a poor model when it comes to accuracy. It means well though. I'd just wait on the Heller kit. Sure, it needs a lot of work, but less work than the Lindberg kit. You can see photos of each at http://www.hmshood.com/models/Models.html If you have any Hood-specific questions, please be sure to contact us. Frank http://hmshood.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Peter Sketchley" Subject: Hasagawa HMS Vanguard Hi All, I have received Neil Mc Carts book on HMS Vanguard for Christmas, which is excellent, and it has sparked my interest in acquiring the Hasagawa 1/450 model. I have read at various places that it has some major flaws. Can anyone tell me what these problems are? Happy New year to all. Regards Peter Sketchley Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Re: First ship to enter Pearl Harbor after the bombing on December 7th Hi SMMLies You may be quite right about the Ward being first in PH. The ATF Navajo was off the coast about 12 miles when it started and returned to assist. I don't know what time she came in though but I do know she was the first of that class and was lost I believe in 1943. There's my 2 bits. Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: First ship in Pearl You have to be more exact.. As the WARD might have been the first ship back in Pearl after the attack, but she was based in Pearl, yet the first "outside" ship i guess would have been the USS Enterprise taskforce (which had some of its planes shot down by Japanese & Allied sides, as they usually launch all aircraft to land on the land base to save the unloading by cranes etc). So if anyone knows of what ships were in the "E"'s taskforce there's another possibility. I cant remember what time she entered but i think it was 2hours after the attack? (i dont have ref stuff here in teh office only @ home) I cant recall any supply ships or oilers etc from teh mainland till later that day & as they were attacked by Japanese subs on the other side of the island as the subs patrolled the lanes between Hawaii & the mainland. I'll have a gander & see what i come up with Andrew OZ Happy 2002 to all -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Damian Pliszka Subject: Card stock ship and USS California... Derek, Yes it is monster... But you should take a look at Yamato and recently released Bismarck (both card models 1:200)... Mentioned by you parts printed on regular paper should be glued on heavy card stock (1.5 mm) and cut out. All the best in 2002 for all SMML'ers. Damian Pliszka (Poland) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: ELLshipmodeler@aol.com Subject: Re: Ships Entering Pearl Harbor My brother sent the statement below to my grand daughter who was doing an assignment on WWII. >> My first assignment was assistant navigator on the heavy cruiser U.S.S. Minneapolis stationed in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. On December 7th we were returning from gunnery practice at sea. (Gunnery practice is when you shoot at barge with a bullseye.) We were the next ship to enter the harbor when the Japanese started the attack. Needless to say we did not enter the Harbor but we were then ordered along with one other cruiser and three destroyers to search for the enemy. They sent us to the South and later we found out that the Japanese came in from the North, this was fortunate for us because our task force was greatly outnumbered. << Gene Larson Alexandria, Virginia Member, NRG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Bill Daisley" Subject: Trumpeter ships/boats hi hi Christmas, as always, was full of surprises. My 3 year old & Dave & D&B picked out a sub kit from Trumpeter that we could give to his 7 year old brother. 25$ Cdn (when added to all the things I was getting, a small price in comparison) Well, it turns out that the kit is very nice on 1st inspection...recessed lines, no flash, very nice detail, usable instructions... NO REFERENCES... Chinese Type 33G Submarine (based on Soviet ROMEO class, early 80's launch, Chinese cruise missiles) Now, I've done a quick search on the net with no results, nothing on Trumpeter or Chinese subs or on modified ROMEO's... any suggestions would help. My immediate plan is to remind my son how much he likes airplanes and arrange a trade, plus I found a spare U-Boat that he is welcome to if the plane gambit fails... cheers Bill TGH {VP & CEO} not wearing skimpies on my head in the basement @ BAD Productions Est. F'ton '94 MAD R&D Brewing Trouble since '98 * Business Cards have been printed.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: nd.ward@virgin.net Subject: Frames for Card Models A lot of polish/Czech/Russian card models only supply templates for the internal frames, you have to laminate them to provide the rigidity you need. I use breakfast cereal packets to make about 1mm thick frames, using a tube adhesive ( UHU ), then, when constructing the frames, using cyano and adding card braces wherever necessary. The largest models can be made surprisingly strong. My 1/200 GPM Rurik is 32" long, and has survived several inadvertent flights. You can attach PE quite easily, providing you double deck thicknesses in areas of stress. I'm contemplating starting my 1/250 Digital Navy FUSO, as soon I've worked out where to put it - not only is it long, but tall!! As a starter, try the Admirable class minesweeper freebie from Digital Navy. You'll need a good inkjet printer, preferably one with a straight feed path to take thick card stock, and away you go. As for a card tanker..... I know of several post war tankers, but the only wartime one is a 1/400 JSC model. Try the Scheuer and Struever website for any new models Dave Ward -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Re: Glue for bone ships >> I was actually wanting to go the exotic route and use the same adhesives the makers use. Well not exactly but try to find out what kinds of adhesives they would use 200 years ago. I.e. do tree saps sound too outlandish? << What about that old nag of a horse that was sent to the glue factory? If you boil sinew long enough it becomes animal glue. This is probably what the French prisoners used. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Peter Subject: Tamiya 1/700 Prinz Eugen An article in the February issue of Model Art in Japan reporting on the recent Tamiya fair says the plan is to start selling the Prinz Eugen in "the spring". No dates were listed for the 1/700 Iowa-class kit also announced at the fair. Best wishes, Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "DarekL" Subject: Re: Card Stock Ship Hi Derek and let me say first this; if you've never build a card model before it would be a bad idea to start with the California. It's big and complicated. Freebies from Digital Navy it's a good bet though. As for the internal framework, you are correct. Those parts are to be laminated on heavy card stock. Something about 1 mm thick. But if you like you might want to use styrene sheet instead. Of course you can use PE railings on your card models. You can take a look at my website; http://www.paperlab.com/index.html and click on MODELS link, if you need a proof:) All my models are built with PE railings. Since they are in 1:250 scale I am using railings in this scale as well. But a few years back while working on Indianapolis I used Gold Medal Models 1:200 scale fret. To attach PE railings to the model I actually cut off the very bottom horizontal bar, but only between the stantions and than bend the bottom 1.5/2mm of those stantions 90* so they'd formed something similar to letter 'L". If you need this explained graphically, contact me off list. Darius -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Card Stock Ships >> The exterior parts of the ship are printed on card stock, but the interior framework is printed on regular paper. The Immediate thought that comes to mind...surely this isn't what you use to build your frame work with. So I'm guessing those parts are just patterns used to cut parts from a more durable material. Question is...what kind of material? Heavy card stock, bristol board, wood, plastic, what? << Hi; I've seen some nice looking card ships a few years (20 or so) back, larger scales such as you mention. If I recall correctly he had purchased smaller scale (1:600 or 1:700 ) and enlarged them on a good xerox machine. The guy used art board, which is heavy cardboard about 1/16" thick for inner parts. Hulls were surprisingly strong. I don't recall his name but he lived in the San Bernardino, Calif. area. His models looked like nicely done plastic models unless you got really close. I believe this was before PE?? He had 3-4 German WWI battleships. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister eGroups: WoodenWalls Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bill Gruner Subject: NEW AND RE-STOCKS We have LIMITED stocks of the Revell 1/700 USS Wasp/Essex LHDs ($30.00), 1/72 S-100 Schnellboot ($30.00), plenty of 1/700 JAG USS Austin ($67.00). As our e-mail is swamped, maybe best to fax or call to order. WHITE ENSIGN is issuing their new S-100 set soon, should be fantastic, you can get it from them or us. Also have the new 1/700 resin Combrig A.Pervozvanniy and Imperator Pavel I battleships, and old cruiser Almaz in stock. These are some of the best Combrig kits yet, and the battleships feature a full photoetch set with cagemasts. We are expecting the 1/350 Combrig kits soon. Have a great NEW YEAR! Thanks, Bill Gruner http://www.pacificfront.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Model Ship Journal For Winter 2001-2002 Model Ship Journal will be going to press for the Winter 2001-2002 issue. After the attack on New York, we completely re-vamped the coverage to reflect rescue vessels from WWII to present. Previously announced features slated to run in this issue have been moved to Spring 2002 which goes to press at the end of February. The Winter issue also has kit reviews with IJN Kaga and the new Tamiya Russian submarine Kursk in 1/700 coming to mind. Also a nifty little French 1/50 scale motor lifeboat kit (a 'garage sale' find) is reviewed. Featured center spread plans are for a 110' icebreaking tugboat, circa 1975. Main model features are Keith Bender's very cool scratchbuilt USCGC Dallas (WHEC-716) and Al Blevins' Great lakes tug Edna G. from an A.J Fisher kit. Photo pictorials include a look at U.S. Naval hospital ships in WWII and rescue ships that would make interesting models. Subscription info is available on our website: www.modelshipjournal.com or by calling, toll-free, 877-371-0290 in U.S. As always you can use Visa, Master Card or good old checks/money orders to pay for subscriptions. Thanks to all of you who have made our magazine a success this past year. Have a happy New Year! Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume