Subject: SMML VOL 1462 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:46:34 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: 1:350 Figures 2: Rigging line and naval gunnery 3: Re: Wood/styrene glue & more card ??? 4: Re: 1:350 figures 5: LST conversions 6: Re: 1:350 Figures 7: Naval Big Gun reloading cycle? 8: Re: Revell USCGC Campbell 9: Re: Trumpeter ships/boats 10: Large Caliber Gun Loading 11: Lindberg Constellation 12: U.S.S. Alaska 13: Re: Iowa class battleship 14: Re: rigging material 15: Re: Naval Big Gun reloading cycle? 16: War Prize question 17: Card Stock Kits -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Email disaster 2: Books & Stuff 3: New Reviews for January 2002 ModelWarships.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: alec@radmail.rad.co.il (Alex Kravitz) Subject: 1:350 Figures Tom's Modelworks has 1:350 photoetched figures. When painted properly they're look very real for this scale. Alec -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Rigging line and naval gunnery Hi, all, first of all a happy new year and a chance to finish that kit this year to all :-) Regarding the sagging fishing line used for rigging. You can get them taut (spelling?) by heating the line with a (blown-out) match, glowing stick or a cigarette (as much I hate promoting smoking, this is one case where it comes in handy..). I use a soldering iron. As you heat the line it shrinks and pulls nice taut. Don't overdue it and do it diagonally otherwise you end up with a bend mast or yard! For the naval gun loading. The gun is lowered for reloading! I have the data for Yamato (from the AOTS book): 1 Depress gun from 20° to loading angle of 3° at 8°/sec and cutt-off: 2.75-3 sec 2 Open breech: 2.0 -2.5 sec 3 Move shell bogie forward : 3 sec 4 Ram shell: 3 sec 5 Withdram rammer and return bogie: 3 sec 6 Swing cordite cylinder and rammer in position: 3 sec 7 Ram charge: 3 sec 8 Witdraw rammer: 3 sec 9 Return cordite cylinder and rammer to firing position: 3 sec 10 Close breech: 2.0 11 Elevate gun 2.75-3 sec 12 Recoil and run-out: 2.75-3 sec This made possible a 28-sec firing cycle on a low elevation and a 40 sec for the max 45° elevation. Seemed those gunners/loaders had a hell of a job in those turrets! HTH Wienne -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: Wood/styrene glue & more card ??? >> Second, the hull out of a solid wood block. Anyone have suggestions where to get wood if I go this route? << Depending on the type of hull you're doing, you might be better off with "bread and butter" construction rather than carving from a single block. The former will allow you to hollow the middle lifts and limit the propensity of a solid block to warp with changes in the climate. Get cabinet-grade basswood from your local cabinet shop. Be wary of lumber yard wood, as it often isn't properly seasoned for model-making. >> The recent thread on card got me thinking. Is it possible to build framing for this hull out of card and enclose it in styrene? << It'll work. Just be aware of the potential for "oil canning" with this method. >> Any suggestions on glue/epoxy preferences for gluing card to plastic or wood to plastic? << Medium or thin CA works fine for me. I often clad my basswood superstructure components with .020" styrene. If you use thin CA, be aware that it has a tendency to eat .010" or thinner styrene if not used sparingly. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: 1:350 figures >> Any one know who makes W.W.II era US Navy figures. Is that the right scale if your placing them on a 1:350 ship? << Both Gold Medal Models and Tom's make 1:350 scale figures in etched brass. Pose them, fatten them up with super glue, and paint them. Preiser makes one set of 1:350 figures, fully round in plastic, but very expensive (#89350). They are generic workmen easily painted as sailors. Happy New Year!! Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: LST conversions I am thinking about building USS BENEWAH, an APB used in Vietnam. Any suggestions on a source for drawings of the superstructure/helo pad added as part of her conversion from LST to APB? I'm also interested in the LST to ARL conversion. Have a great New Year! Matt Prager Ingleside, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Ed Grune Subject: Re: 1:350 Figures IAAFru2 wrote: >> Any one know who makes W.W.II era US Navy figures. Is that the right scale if your placing them on a 1:350 ship? << Toms Modelworks, White Ensign , and Gold Medal Models all make PE figure sets. See some images at the following URLs http://www.tomsmodelworks.com/images/brasssets/3509.jpg http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/wembrass/wempe3512.jpg Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Naval Big Gun reloading cycle? >> Do all or any capital main armament after firing a shell at, say an angle of 45 degrees, depress to a near-zero angle to reload i.e. have a shell (and where necessary, one or more bagged charges of propellant loaded by rammer), before re-elavating to the same angle to re-engage the same target, or could the barrel remain at the same angle (with perhaps a small increment of change to allow for a small change of range by the target?) << Of course it depends on the gun a ship, but depressing the guns to 0 angle to reload was the norm. This is due to the load mechanisms of each gun and required the gun to be level when loading. Standard rate of fire was usually 30-45 seconds depends on conditions (under fire, green crews, etc). The only exception I can think of was the 8" guns on the USN Des Moines Class CAs. These were fully automated and could reload at any angle. Rate of fire on full atuomatic for these guns was 6 seconds per shell per gun. It was said, but never tried that the 9 guns of a Des Moines Class CA could put 90 shells is the air before the first one hit at maaxium range. John Sheridan www.steelnavy.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Revell USCGC Campbell Hi Ed, The Revell CAMPBELL is 1/300 scale. The trouble is, I seem to recall (Duane Fowler, chime in here) it depicts the ship in a fit that she never really carried. She had open 5" mounts during WW2 (semi-enclosed in early 1941), so using the Tamiya Fletcher mounts isn't really a choice for that era. The only one of the class that carried 5"38s in the standard USN gunhouses during WW2 was the Taney. Gold Medal Models makes a dedicated PE set for the kit which we have in stock. If you're looking for references, we just added a copy of Robert Scheina's "U.S. Coast Guard Cutters & Craft of World War II" to our list of pre-owned books. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Trumpeter ships/boats Hi Bill, From Conway's "All the World's Fighting Ships, 1947-1995: "China (People's Republic), Soviet 'ROMEO' class submarines: "Class: 126, 140, 142, 143, 153, 172, 176, 208-212, 227-229, 245, 248, 249, 254, 267-270, 281-283 (plus 52 others). "Four supplied by the USSR prior to the Sino-Soviet split and between the early 1960s and late 1970s a total of eighty four were built at the rate of nine a year in the Kiang Chou, Canton and Kiangnan, Shanghai shipyards. Six of these Chinese-built 'Romeos' were transferred to North Korea (1973-75) which built more of them. Another four went to Egypt (first pair in 1983, second pair in 1984). Approximately seventy of these boats were reported extant with the Chinese Navy in 1995, but only twenty of these were actually operational, suggesting that the modernisation programme proposed c1983 may not have taken place. Now an obsolete class." The book contains a photo of the 272 boat underway. No mention of missile conversions by the PLAN. About the Soviet 'ROMEO' class, the book has this to say: "'ROMEO' class attack submarines (Project 633): "This improved 'Whiskey' (Project 613) could dive deeper and had greater range. The TTZ was reportedly issued in 1952-53. The Balcon-like passive array below the bow was replaced by a larger passive array on the upper part of the bow (Feniks-M). The Tamir attack sonar was replaced by an Arktika tracking sonar feeding a torpedo fire control system, Leningrad. Many units had small sonar domes on deck forward carrying a sonar incerpt array, with underwater telephone (NATO 'Fez') above it. Unlike 'Whiskey', this submarine had a deeper bow carrying an extra pair of bow tubes. It appears that production of these boats, a large number of which were planned, was reinstated (with the 'Foxtrots') about 1956, then finally stopped a few years later and parts and tooling sold to Chine. Production in North Korea was apparently unauthorised by the Soviets. A Project 633A version (reportedly to carry a missile, probably similar to 'Whiskey Long Bin'), was cancelled in October 1955. The 'Whiskey Long Bin' may represent an application of this design to the earlier hull. Two built in 1958, three in 1959, five in 1960, nine in 1961, one in 1962. Transfers: Algeria (two 1982-83), Bulgaria (two 1971-72, two 1985-86), Egypt (five 1966, one 1969, plus four Chinese-built 1983-84), Syria (three 1985-86). Others were built in China (thirty-five, of which seven were transferred to North Korea in 1973-75; plus four to Egypt as noted) and North Korea (twelve, of which two were lost in 1985). The last units were stricken by 1987 and broken up in 1989. SS-128 (Project 633RV) had a massive structure added atop her bow, carrying a pair of 65cm TT, to test the SS-N-16 missile and the new generation of 65cm torpedoes." We have both these Trumpeter kits in stock. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "sbatchelor" Subject: Large Caliber Gun Loading Mike, In a nutshell, yes. Traditional, large caliber guns (6 inches and larger) fire, return to their designed loading angle, usually between 5 and 10 degrees (this varied from design to design), get reloaded with shell and powder, and then return to the firing elevation as directed. Turret bearing should have no effect. I said traditional, I don't have my references handy, but I believe that some of the late to post WW II USN automatic 6 inch guns could reload in a wider elevation range as they were designed for anti-aircraft fire. I don't recall if the semi-automatic 8 inch guns (a la Newport News) had a fixed loading angle or not. Hope this helps, Stuart Batchelor Tulsa, OK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: Lindberg Constellation Hello, After looking at the kit it represents the 1854 Sloop of War USS Constellation as retrofitted in the 1950's to try to imitate the 1797 Frigate Constellation. Or, it represents the Baltimore Constellation Before her recent rebuild in which she was corrected to return her to her 1854 configuration. Rich -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: AZJOE1445@aol.com Subject: U.S.S. Alaska Hi and Happy New Year to all. I am currently building the Classic Warsfpis Alaska and I have a couple of questions about the ship. First, what color are the fighting lights that are mounted outside the air defense platform, level 10? If they are different colors what should they be from top to bottom? Second, should the roof of the MK38 director be painted 20-b or 5-L? And lastly, when I cleaned the upper hull I opened up hundreds of pinhole sized air bubbles. Does anyone have any suggestions for a fix short of filling the holes, sanding and rescribing the deck? I tried using the Gunze Sangyo Mr.Surfacers and they did'nt provide accectable results. Thanks for the help. Joe Kreutz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: IAAFru2@aol.com Subject: Re: Iowa class battleship >> Does anyone know of any company that makes a upgrade kit that you could turn Tamiya USS-New Jersey(BB-62) into one the other Iowa class battleship that served during the late 80's and 90's. I can't stand NJ's ECM gear (I think that is what it is) on her conning tower just plain looks ugly. << Try Classic Warships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Ted0330@aol.com Subject: Re: rigging material re- rigging material for Barry Fleet- I've found 8 pound fishing line ideal- it loses its curves with only minimal tension, and is approximately in scale (I do 1:350). Perhaps your fishing line is heavier, say 20 pound, accounting for the problem. Ted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: SolidStump@aol.com Subject: Re: Naval Big Gun reloading cycle? >> Do all or any capital main armament after firing a shell at, say an angle of 45 degrees, depress to a near-zero angle to reload i.e. have a shell (and where necessary, one or more bagged charges of propellant loaded by rammer), before re-elavating to the same angle to re-engage the same target, or could the barrel remain at the same angle (with perhaps a small increment of change to allow for a small change of range by the target?) << Big Naval guns are reloaded at a fixed angle of elevation. This angle varies. Iowa's 16" reload at 5 degrees. The rebuilt Italian Cavours were stated to have a 12 degree reload angle. After firing a full salvo, the guns depress/elevate to reload and are then re-trained. As reload times run 20 to 30 seconds, ranges change considerably. A new elevation and bearing would be necessary after every shot. (unless you are at anchor and firing at static targets, on shore.) Smaller "fixed ammunition" guns (shell with propellant casing) can be loaded at all angles. 5"38 DP of WWII was this type. Simon Scheuer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Michael Taylor" Subject: War Prize question Hi List, Once again this year I plan on helping out the J-aircraft.com guys with their Nats project. The theme is "in alien markings" so I've decided to de a war prize ship. So far I've found that DD-934 was a Japanese DD but I've found conflicting descriptions. One claims it to have been an Akizuki class and another says it was Hanazuki. Can anyone shed some light on this ship? Also does anyone know of any others. and what would the color be? Standard Japanese with US numbers? Thanks in advance guys and a happy and prosperous new year.... Mike T -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Card Stock Kits Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions/help regarding my card stock kit questions on/offline. Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Email disaster Hi group, I have had a major email melt down. I have lost my address book and a couple of thousand emails. If anybody has placed an order, sent payment or had any other correspondence with me since December 1st and has not got any acknowledgment, please contact me. Also will any of my friends (quiet Drage) or anybody else, please send me their email addresses so I can rebuild me address book. Thanks Regards Keith Butterley http://www.warshipbooks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Snyder Subject: Books & Stuff Hi All, We've made some interesting recent additions to our pre-owned books, including Scheina's "U.S. Coast Guard Cutters & Craft of WW2", Reilly & Scheina's "American Battleships 1886-1923" (a fine volume for anyone interested in pre-Dreadnoughts, with lots of photos and drawings), and Antony Preston's "V & W Class Destroyers 1917-1945", a title we haven't seen in ages! In addition, we have a few pre-owned kits and discontinued photoetch sets on sale. You can find all these at the link below. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/shbooks.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Timothy Dike Subject: New Reviews for January 2002 ModelWarships.com This is what's new at ModelWarships.com: Classic Warships 1/350 USS North Carolina Battleship (resin kit) HP Models 1/700 USS San Francisco CA-38 (resin kit) Naval Works 1/700 USS San Francisco CA-38 (OOP resin kit) Classic Warships Warship Pictorial #5 USS San Francisco CA-38 Waveline 1/700 scale California Class Nuclear Guided Missile Cruiser DML Dragon 1/700 Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigate (plastic kit) Revell's new 1/72 S-100 class Deutsches Schnellboot German Fast Attack Craft Kobo Hiryu 1/700 USS Maury Gridley Class Destroyer (resin kit) South Pacific Destroyer by Russell Sydnor Crenshaw Jr. A couple of good books on Ship Modeling from Kalmbach Publishing (Fine Scale Modeler) by Mike Ashley: Basics of Ship Modeling Building and Detailing Scale Model Ships Snyder and Short WW II Naval Colors Kriegsmarine Set #1 Gallery photo's added since the last notice include: 1/350 SMS Konig WW I German Battleship by Michael Taylor Scratchbuilt 100 Gun Ship HMS Victory by Hankster 1/700 IJN Battleships by Dr György Pék 1/700 IJN Mogami (new photo's) by Dr György Pék 1/600 HMS Repulse (Airfix) by Dr György Pék 1/1200 Scratchbuilt Frigate Oliver Hazard Perry FFG-7 by John Youngerman 1/1200 Scratchbuilt German Battlecruiser Scharnhorst by John Youngerman 1/1200 French Heavy Cruiser Tourville by John Youngerman 1/32 Scratchbuilt Admiralty Tug HMS Resolve by Ron Horabin 1/700 IJN Yubari (Tamiya) by Dr György Pék 1/600 HMS Iron Duke (Airfix) by Dr György Pék 1/1200 Scratchbuilt British Light Cruiser Fiji by John Youngerman 1/350 DKM Bismarck (Tamiya) by Michael Taylor 1/1200 French Heavy Cruiser Duquesne by John Youngerman 1/1200 Scratchbuilt British Light Cruiser Chester by John Youngerman 1/1200 Scratchbuilt Royal Netherlands Navy Light Cruiser De Ruyter by John Youngerman 1/1200 USS Terror CM-5 Minelayer by John Youngerman 1/720 Russian Carrier Varjag (Italeri) by Gabor 1/1200 Scratchbuilt SMS Bluecher by John Youngerman 1/700 USS Merrill DD-976 (Arii) by Gabor 1/1200 Scratchbuilt USS Iowa BB-61 by John Youngerman 1/1200 HMS London Heavy Cruiser by John Youngerman 1/700 USS Hornet on it's way to strike back for Pearl Harbor by Steve Brejnak 1/1200 Scratchbuilt German Light Cruiser Emden by John Youngerman 1/1200 Scratchbuilt German Battlecruiser Gneisenau by John Youngerman 1/700 IJN Fuso (Aoshima) by Lester Abbey New Features include: Building the Battleship Yamato in 1/350 scale by Len Roberto A look back at the old Naval Works USS California BB-44 My news years resolution for this year is to complete a few models, so maybe I can show more than just box contents. I'm ready to do a few full buildups! Happy New Year to all SMML'ies Timothy Dike Webmaster and Editor ModelWarships.com http://www.modelwarships.com/index1.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume