Subject: SMML VOL 1465 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:00:45 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Thanks 2: Re: War Prize question 3: Morison's Naval History 4: Rigging Line 5: Re: CV 5 hull lines 6: Small Lathe Capabilities 7: Re: Lathes 8: Fiji. Trinidad and Spartan 9: Re: Lathes 10: HMS Victory & Mayflower 11: Jolly Roger -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Online Build of the Tamiya Bismarck Update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "michael thrupp" Subject: Thanks Thank You to all those contributers of interesting info on capital ship main armament re-loading. Mike Thrupp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: War Prize question >> Once again this year I plan on helping out the J-aircraft.com guys with their Nats project. The theme is "in alien markings" so I've decided to do a war prize ship. So far I've found that DD-934 was a Japanese DD but I've found conflicting descriptions. One claims it to have been an Akizuki class and another says it was Hanazuki. Can anyone shed some light on this ship? Also does anyone know of any others. and what would the color be? Standard Japanese with US numbers? << Mike - Hanazuki was one of six Akizuki class destroyers surrendered by Japan at the end of the war. (Actually, Hanazuki was a Batch 2 Fuyuzuki type, as were 4 of the others. Important to note if you're going to model her.). She was surrendered minus B & C mounts and light AA. Initially, she should would have worn standard IJN paint. While she was turned over to the US and designated DD - 934, I'm not clear about her history after that. I do think she wasn't scrapped until 1960. I'm not certain if she ever left Japanese waters. Dan Kaplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Morison's Naval History Regarding Andrew Jones' heads up on the U. of Illinois Press sale of Samuel Eliot Morison's HISTORY OF UNITED STATES NAVAL OPERATIONS IN WORLD WAR II: you can do much better at www.scholarsbookshelf.com where the books can be purchased for US $12.98 each or US $149.50 for the entire 15-volume set. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Rigging Line >> the material that they use for doing hair extensions. It will have to be the man made material rather than the genuine human hair. << This material can be found at the crafts store in the doll making section for making doll's hair. I got a big pony tail sized tuft from the Dollar Store for $3, my application being for an armour diaroma. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Re: CV 5 hull lines Hi SMMLies, for the person who is looking for hull lines for the CV 5. Yes allot of dealers call their hull lines just that. The Floating Drydock calls them Hull Lines as well. The real name for that type of drawing is called a "Body Plan". That is the one that shows you the hull looking forward to aft and aft to forward. it shows all the frames. but however most outfits tell you hull lines and that most always includes the body plan, Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Joel Labow Subject: Small Lathe Capabilities >> Okay, so has anyone ordered or seen the Clisby lathe that was brought up here on SMML a month or so ago? (http://www.clisby.com.au/) I'm thinking about one as a Christmas/Birthday gift to myself. Never used a lathe before, so this would be an inexpensive way to start out, and it'd be great to be able to turn brass masts and gun barrels without having to chuck the stuff in my Dremel or cordless drill. << Devin, I have been a Unimat user for many years and swear by it. Ther are lots of cababilities that will open up for you...but turning fine tapers such as those found in gun barrels and masts probably won't be one of them. A large industrial lathe creates tapers with a compound cross-slide or by offsetting the tailstock: the Unimat (theoretically at any rate) allows one to offset the headstock to achieve the same effect. It's a little hard to tell from the picture but I don't think the Clisby has this capability. You can chuck the workpiece between centers, but you'll probably wind up creating the taper by 'seaman's eye' with a file or emory paper same as with the Dremel. Best regards, Joel Labow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: ELLshipmodeler@aol.com Subject: Re: Lathes >> Okay, so has anyone ordered or seen the Clisby lathe that was brought up here on SMML a month or so ago? (http://www.clisby.com.au/) I'm thinking about one as a Christmas/Birthday gift to myself. Never used a lathe before, so this would be an inexpensive way to start out, << I can't comment on this lathe. I can only say that inexpensive could be very frustrating, and you could end up never wanting to use a lathe. John Ruskin (1819- 1900) wrote: "It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is wise to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better." Gene Larson Alexandria, Virginia Member, NRG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Darshan Ward" Subject: Fiji. Trinidad and Spartan Hi there one and all and welcome to 2002 With reference to another enquiry yesterday concerning Fiji and Trinidad, just by the by and apropos nothing in particular I was reminded of a recent question concerning which RN warship carries the dubious and unofficial battle honour of 'Shortest Life'. Fiji spent six months of her short life in drydock having torpedo damage repaired. Trinidad torpedoed herself, and after temporary repairs in Russia foundered on the return trip home and was sunk by attendant 'Matchless' Spartan lived but a few short months and was lost to air attack off N.Africa. These three must be amongst the least photographed of warships. Does anybody have any other contenders? "Pour encourage les autres~!" best wishes DW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Lathes >> Okay, so has anyone ordered or seen the Clisby lathe that was brought up here on SMML a month or so ago? (http://www.clisby.com.au/) I'm thinking about one as a Christmas/Birthday gift to myself. Never used a lathe before, so this would be an inexpensive way to start out, and it'd be great to be able to turn brass masts and gun barrels without having to chuck the stuff in my Dremel or cordless drill. << Devin Certainly this is a better solution than chucking the part in a drill. Basically the Clisby is a continuation of the prototype for the Sherline lathe which also originated in Australia. While the basic lathe is less expensive that the Sherline, frankly It is a far less developed product, and I suspect that by the time it is fit out with a reasonable range of accessories will be far closer in price to the Sherline. The answer to your question really depends on 2 factors, what you want to do with it now, and what your likely future needs might be. If you only want to turn gun barrels and masts, in wood, plastic (resin) or brass and Aluminum, this can be done free hand, and little more than a miniature wood lathe is needed. However if there is even the slightest chance that you will want to grow into doing some "real"machining then the Sherline is the better option. One can do quite a bit of real machining, in steel on a Sherline, albeit in much lighter cuts compared to a production lathe. I've seen some truly terrific model engines and other table top machining projects done on a Sherline, that the Clisby will never be capable of. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Michael J. D'Silva" Subject: HMS Victory & Mayflower Dear fellow SMMLies, I have planned to add the HMS Victory & Mayflower (among others) to my collection of models. It seems that these kits are offered by two manufacturers, Revell and Airfix -- albeit at different scales. Has anyone seen/built these kits to be able to comment on which offer better quality and accuracy? If you've experienced any good (or bad) points with these kits, I would be most interested to know so I can make an informed purchase. In anticipation, Michael J. D'Silva -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Jolly Roger I received the Jolly Roger yesterday. All I have to say is... A) The previous reports about the fit appear to be true. B) Ye ghods, but this is going to be a bloody bugger bear of a project. Me thinks I may have to eventually break down and get the Model Shipways Rattlesnake so I can have a real privateer model on the shelf. On the other hand, wood plank on bulkhead construction scares the living schmutz out of this old plastic only modeler. Yet, that appears to be the only alternative to this dilemma, and one of these decades I would like to attempt a really decent HMS Victory and Cutty Sark, and wood/plank-on-bulkhead seems to be the only proper choice for those projects. Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Brent Theobald Subject: Online Build of the Tamiya Bismarck Update Hello, I have added two installments to the 1/350 Bismarck build. You can see Part 4 at: http://www.rollmodels.net/reviews/Bismarck/part04.php And you can see Part 5 at http://www.rollmodels.net/reviews/Bismarck/part05.php Part 6 will b posted early next week and will consist of many pictures of the completed model. Thank you, Brent http://www.rollmodels.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume