Subject: SMML VOL 1487 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:32:31 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Raymond Guy and the HMS Eagle/Ark Royal 2: Re: Minimite motor 3: Re: Revell 1/429 PENNSYLVANIA 4: Re: S-Boote Photograph 5: Re: Newbies 6: Revell's 1/429 Pennsylvania 7: Re: USS Pennsylvania 8: Soviet Type 7 Destroyer? 9: Re: "realistic flight deck demarcation divisions" 10: Re: Revell 1/429 PENNSYLVANIA 11: Re: S-Boote photograph 12: Re: Revell 1/429 PENNSYLVANIA 13: Re: Painting Newbie question/Another Dumb Question - Plans 14: Online hobby Shops VS the people Vs the hobby Shops 15: Re: HP 1/700 Graf Zeppelin 16: The Seattle Times: Local News: Vinson crew proud to be first in fight -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: O'Connor Subject: Raymond Guy and the HMS Eagle/Ark Royal Raymond, The Fujimi modern (post WWll)Eagle/Ark Royal kits are buggers with the split deck. I have built three, and the same problem has resulted in each build- so it's not a lemon you got. The only solution I have come up with is to lay the deck top-down on a flat surface, and attach the extension, allowing it to dry completely. This is not perfect, but it is better than an angled deck that droops. Fill the gaps afterward with putty and sand completely. As for photoetching, try Gold Medal Models modern British Carrier set - excellent detailing, and everything you need for the WWll Revell Ark Royal, as well as Aoshima's Illustrious class and Fujimi's Post war Eagle/Ark kits. Sorry I can't help you with the markings for the Revell Ark kit- try decal lines. I try to paint the line color (white or yellow) on the deck first, then mask the lines and paint the deck color. When the deck color is dry, pull up the masking tape and hope for the best. Hope this helps. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: Minimite motor >> I think this motor is an excellent replacement part in case your Minimite motor dies. << My problem is the battery. I have one completely worn out and another that wont hold a charge for any amount of time. I cannot find replacements at all of the local Dremel outlets that fit my **older** Minimite. Instead of paying $40 for a new Minimite pack (cant get it without the extra crap), I spent $55 for a new larger handheld with a fully variable motor speed controller (2000-35000rpm) and have been very happy with it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: Revell 1/429 PENNSYLVANIA >> I have found a 1/429scale Revell "Sea Power Collection" model of the USS PENNSYLVANIA. On e-Bay, AND I was wondering does any one have any info on this model? What would the value be? Is it a good build etc. As far as I know no one is making a reasonably priced PENNSY. note: I want the ISW 1:350scale, but CANNOT AFFORD IT, I have a family to feed, and my wife would kill me. SOOOOOOOO is this a good buy, or not. I do want to add the Pennsy. to my "Navy" << If you want a box that says "Pennsylvania" then buy it, if you want the kit, just get the Revell Arizona and save some money. It is the same plastic and totally wrong for the PENN, missing all the items covered in the recent conversion discussions. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: S-Boote Photograph >> On page 94 of the recently published 'Kriegsmarine - The illustrated history of the German Navy in WWII' by Robert Jackson (Aurum Press) there is a photograph of an S-Boote which is totally unlike any I have seen before. It carries a large white(?) N on its bow and the caption of the photograph is 'An S-boat picks up speed in the Atlantic on 26 May 1942. S-boat crews had to be ever at the ready to make a quick pursuit of enemy craft.' << This is either the French 40K or one of her sisters. According to Fock (Fast Fighting Boats 1870-1945), 40K was a joint venture between Aero Marine Engines and Chantiers Navals de Meulan. During the Spanish Civil War, the Republicans contracted to buy this boat and eleven others, for which contracts were let to three French firms. Fock provides no further information. Groner's Die deutschen Kriegsschiffe 1815-1945, vol. 2, mentions what appear to be these boats (my German is very limited) on p146. They are numbered SA1 to SA9. Apparently, they were used a picket boats or coastal patrol craft. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Newbies >> very nice welcome to a modeller. I think we've all felt ignorant and inexperienced at various times as we have progressed as modellers. I'm having one of those times lately, as I improve my ability with resin and brass. I've gotten a lot of help from this group. I wonder, however, if there is a forum or site devoted specifically to the nuts and bolts of modelling techniques- a technical site, rather than one dealing with all aspects of ship modelling. Any recommendations? << The Rec Scale Models group has a lengthy FAQ, including technical tips on resin building. Frankly, though, sometimes your best bet is books. I would recommend both of Mike Ashey's books from Fine Scale on ship modeling: "Building and Detaling Scale Ship Models" and "Basics of Ship Modeling- The Illustrated Guide". Both deal with resin and photoetch brass. Also, for photoetch, I would strongly recommend picking up Loren Perry's excellent book from Gold Medal Models. Works through in illustrations all the details of photoetch cutting, bending and application. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Ralph Nardone" Subject: Revell's 1/429 Pennsylvania Hello, all..... George asked: >> I have found a 1/429scale Revell "Sea Power Collection" model of the USS PENNSYLVANIA. On e-Bay, AND I was wondering does any one have any info on this model? What would the value be? Is it a good build etc. As far as I know no one is making a reasonably priced PENNSY. << This is probably another boxing of the old (but not so bad) Revell Arizona. GMM does a superb PE set for this kit, you'll probably want to spring for it as well. Back in 1991 or so, there was an article (by Mike Ashey, IIRC) that deals with building this kit in FineScale Modeler, and more recently, Model Ship Journal had an article by Mr. GMM himself, Loren Perry, on building the Revell kit with the GMM PE set, both as she appeared in the '30s and in 1941. One caveat--depending on what it is going for on evilBay, you might find the same kit cheaper on hobby shop shelves (albeit under the Arizona guise). Granted, there are some differences between the Arizona and the Pennsylvania, but I don't think they are beyond the skills of most modelers. Another alternative is to find the Trumpeter/Banner/MiniHobby Models 1/350 Arizona kit and work from there...... I'm sure others can expand on this as well. Cheers! R -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: USS Pennsylvania >> I have found a 1/429scale Revell "Sea Power Collection" model of the USS PENNSYLVANIA. On e-Bay, AND I was wondering does any one have any info on this model? What would the value be? Is it a good build etc. As far as I know no one is making a reasonably priced PENNSY << If memory serves me right, it's just a reboxed USS Arizona. Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: BECJPARKER@aol.com Subject: Soviet Type 7 Destroyer? Help! I know there is someone out there that has the answer to this question. How were the decks on the old Soviet Type 7 Destroyers finnished in WW II? Wood, natural, painted or some type of covering like linoleum? Thanks Charlie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Harold Stockton" Subject: Re: "realistic flight deck demarcation divisions" Raymond Guy wrote about how to get realistic flight deck demarcation divisions on the Revell HMS Ark Royal, Fujimi HMS Eagle, or any other carrier. There is an old AIRPLANE modeler's trick on doing straight lines for stenciling or canopy markings. Get yourself a sheet of the appropriate colored decal sheet, or if the needed color does not exist, obtain a sheet of clear decal paper. Spray paint the sheet with the needed color and let dry thoroughly. Obtain an "Olfa" or similar type of circular cutting tool and a cutting pad. By using a very good straight edge as a guide, run the cutting tool down the entire length of the printed or painted decal sheet making the necessary width lengths that are needed. I have made some of these that were as thin as 0.020 inches. With a very finely sharpened #2 pencil, draw a straight line down the flight deck where you wish the demarcation line to be. From here, there are two separate methods of placing your stripe on the deck. If it is one that is interrupted, mark your decal sheet before you cut your stripe out in the appropriate lengths that are needed. After the stripe is cut to width, and the necessary lengths are clearly marked, cut the stripe into about five lengths at a time. By working with a number such as this, you should be able to do the entire flight deck in about a hour or less, depending on length. And, it should be fairly straight when finished. The alternative route is a little more time consuming. Paint another sheet of decal paper the same color of the final flight deck color. After you have placed the single color stripe down on the flight deck, place cut sections of the painted flight deck decal sheet in the appropriate places to cover up the unnecessary sections of the demarcation color. There are alternative methods to the ones just described, and they work equally well. Give it a little thought and you should be able to find one that works out well for you. Also, there are various width stripes available as decals in Railroad and Armor sections of modeling stores. If you can get yourself away from thinking out of the box occasionally, there are many alternatives to problem solving than are immediately occasioned. Harold Stockton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SPYDER62@aol.com Subject: Re: Revell 1/429 PENNSYLVANIA >> note: I want the ISW 1:350scale, but CANNOT AFFORD IT, I have a family to feed, and my wife would kill me. SOOOOOOOO is this a good buy, or not. I do want to add the Pennsy. to my "Navy" << Yes it is spendy but by the time you add all the detail stuff the Revel kit will need bet it works out about the same. Plus ISW is a great outfit to work with great service. rich -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Roland Mar Subject: Re: S-Boote photograph TO: Leslie Brown I don't have a great deal of research material on DKM small craft, but after looking at the photo, I wonder about the identification of this craft. What data I have for S-Boote does not match the photo. 1) all the designated S-Boote I can trace carried at least 2-21" TT with the characteristic alteration of the hull. I see no sign of any torpedo armament. 2) looking at the apparent size of the vessel based on the crew visible, it seems much smaller than the S-Boote types I have seen. 3) the basic hull form just doesn't seem right. Might I suggest the possibility [and I yield gladly to someone who has better data than mine] that this is not an S-Boote at all, but perhaps is one of the smaller escort launches, R-Boote [Raumsuchboote(sp?)]. That is making the assumption that the colors flying on the stern is in fact the Reichskriegsfahne. The photo is less than clear on my monitor. Another possibility is that it is one of the many similar armed motor launches used by various European navies in WW II, if the flag is not German. Perhaps Friedrich Kappes has something on this in his files. Hope this helps, Roland Mar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Re: Revell 1/429 PENNSYLVANIA That's a new one to me, so I can't say with 100% certainty, but based on Revell's practices I'd hedge my bets that it's nothing more than a repop of their 1:426 Arizona. That's what they did with their 1:720 Pennsy. They liked to do that because most didn't know the differences when the kits were first produced as toys back in the late 50's/early 60s. As such, they could save bucks by not having to make the different parts, yet reissue the same kits in different boxes making it look like they were putting out a wider selection of products. If it is a true Pennsy someone on the list can blast me for this one. To date, I've never heard of anyone producing a true '41 Pennsy kit - with all the changes necessary to distinquish it from the Arizona. Like most of the BBs at PH, the ship just wasn't well known enough among the general populus to warrant the commerical model makers to produce one. Classic Warships offered a 1:700 kit, but it represented the ship as she appeared in '42 during the Alueutians campaign. It's still listed at their website for $65, but I'm not sure if it's even available anymore. That is the only true Pennsy kit I've heard of. Well, Come to think of it...ISW might have one, or they may have one planned. I confess...I was oogling their Pittsburgh the last time I visited their website and wasn't paying as much attention to the BBs as I usually do. I believe at one time one of the aftermarket firms produced a conversion kit for the Revell 1:426 Arizona kit, but it was crude and short lived. Someone mentioned it a few years back on SMML, having picked it up at a model show. The guy who did it though stated it must have been a left over from the initial production as it was long OOP by that time. If you really want a true Pennsy on a budget, your best bet is to buy a set of plans and bash one out from the Revell or Banner kit. I'd suggest the latter only because its a standard scale and is a bit better in places. I haven't done this yet, but in theory at least, once you can see the deck by deck layout that most plans have it dawns on you that fabricating the needed replacement parts doesn't seem as daunting as it may sound. All it takes is reducing the plans down to the correct scale, using those drawings as templates to cut out parts from sheet styrene, and assembling them in place of the original kit parts. And a good dose of Paitence doesn't hurt. When I got my ISW Tennessee/California it boggled my mind as to how Jon figured out how to make all those parts. Then I got the plans and a light bulb went off over my head. Then I got the Fly Models Card Stock kit of the California and a Xmas tree lit up over my head. Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Painting Newbie question/Another Dumb Question - Plans >> I bought the Revell Model 05013 USS Stennis. I am curious on what paint colors to paint where on this ship. It appears to be listed somewhere in the instructions but I am clue less. The box shows the colors to use but I am unable to figure out where the codes are in each step. Email me directly if this is too funny for most of the experienced. << No questions too funny on this list. Basically, for the STENNIS you'll want to paint all the vertical surfaces Haze, all the decks except the flight deck in Deck Gray, and the flight deck a darker gray than deck gray. White Ensign will be introducing all three of these colors to our Colourcoats paint line a little later this year. For now, though, here are references you can use in the meantime for Haze Gray and Deck Gray: Haze Gray: FS 36270 (26270 for scale effect) Deck Gray: FS 36008 (26176 for scale effect) AND >> Must buy plans for Pittsburgh project. FDD has two sets: 1:96 and 1:192. My guess is the larger of the two is more detailed (common sense). Question: Is there really going to be all that great of an advantage of getting the larger set given I'm working in 1:481? << Technically, Derek, the 1:96 plans are twice the size of the 1:192 plans and should therefore be more detailed. However, why not e-mail Tom Walkowiak and give him an idea of what you're trying to build and detail, and ask his advice as to which set of plans he would recommend. Tom will know the quality and detail of both sets and should be able to advise you further. Cheers, John Snyder (in Reno for the next 2 weeks) White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Online hobby Shops VS the people Vs the hobby Shops With all the talk about Naval BAse hobies, i have not bough from them yet & so cannot comment , but i intend to order soon.. but one thing that I thought i would share with you that i saw on a online shop the other day & thought it a real point for the online shopper... it said" please email first to see if we have the item & if we dont you can feel free to look at other shops first..or if you wish order from us & prepare for delay " well something to that extent, but thought it was a useful tip..email first to see if they have the item & then check out other companies, if you save $10 on a shop that doesnt have it & you could wait numerous weeks for it, wouldnt it be easier to pay that extra $10 to get the kit within your normal delivery time frame. & as for the post on missing post..well thankfully never happened to me, yet who knows what people work in the postal office & sees a box from a model shop & thinks hey why not.. In australia i think (so dont quote me on this) it is illegal to withdraw from a credit card purchase if you have to back order the goods. The best shops i have delt with has been NKR models (very few ships more aircraft & tanks etc) as his web site is updated just about every day & if something has been sold out its shown on the screen as sold out as soon as the last item has gone & the other is WEM as their response has been very quick & precise. I have dealt with other shops Squadron, Hobbyshop japan etc only once & yet they gave me good service I have only had 1 bad shop with its service & that was Hannats, couldnt confirm a faxed order (a not a very good tone & attitude response) & only told me that the goods were out of order when i rcvd the other items & had to minum order which was $100 aussie which is something i didnt really want to spend but they had items that i couldnt get anywhere else, but now disovered that a few shops that sell the stuff i really want..i probably would deal with Hannats again just to give them one more try (heard from a few modellers that they rcvd the same treatment even face to face while they visited the shop) & seeing we have a few online traders in both kits & books, why not have the online shops here, sort of introduce themselves, so we can get to know them that little more better. So in conclusion, with the internet you have a wide variety of shops that sell items & the chance of only 1 shop having the only item in existance would be very slim (now i said that, there will be probably be a infux of responses to say that such & such a shops only sell a certain product) & also being a democracy of sorts if you are not happy with a shop, you dont have to shop there anymore! As for ma & pa kettle shops, we shop support them as they i hope give better service that large hobby shops (sorry to any large hobby shops that are members of SMML, there goes my next order they rcv, lol) so if you find a good shop, stick to them,its like dealing with anything online, there is a risk! good luck with your shopping! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: HP 1/700 Graf Zeppelin Hi Jack, I have the HP 1/700 kit of the aircraft carrier Graf Zeppelin. I will try to answer your questions, but in a different order. First, this is a waterline kit. It would be interesting to see if the underwater hull of the Revell kit of the Graf Zeppelin would fit it. Second, the kit does not have any photoetch. I think that Tom's Modelworks makes a set for the Revell Graf Zeppelin, and that might help. Third, it does have multi-part aircraft that are made out of resin. Fourth, the web site for HP is, I think, www.meistermodelle.de, but it has been down for several days now. Finally, it is hard to describe the detail of the kit; I have not compared the kit to any drawings, but my impression is that the detail is good but not great. At least the portholes are not out of scale, as I have heard they are on the Revell kit. I do plan to buy some of the German AA guns from WSW to supplement or replace the ones in the kit. It is a rather expensive kit, but, aside from the Revell kit, it is "the only game in town." I hope this helps you! Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: The Seattle Times: Local News: Vinson crew proud to be first in fight http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134393558_vinson20m.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume