Subject: SMML VOL 1494 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:07:34 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: MiniMite Battery Pack 2: Re: Museum Info 3: Re: Note of thanks 4: Re: Scorpion/Thresher/Permit 5: Re: 1:350 BB Row 6: Re: DD-933 USS Barry 7: Re: Mirage Models Type IX Uboat 8: U-Boat rocket launcher/ Photo 9: Navy Slang 10: Re: Side effects of SMML and Russian PE sets 11: T Class Submarine 12: T Class Submarine 13: Re: Cast 3D figures 14: Metcalf Mouldings Available In U.S. 15: Re: Nanuchka/Osa kits in larger scales -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Submarine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: MiniMite Battery Pack >> Another idea I have is to modify a dead powerpack to turn the Minimite into a conventional cord-powered tool. That shouldn't be hard: just to build a 2.4V + 2.4V power supply that could feed around 1A (or in the worst case two 2.4V power supplies inside the same box), and then solder the wires inside the empty powerpack. Then you could use your Minimite with a powerpack, or directly connected to a power outlet at your workbench. << There is some advantage to doing this in that the Minimite does run slower than the standard power line dremel Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: ELLshipmodeler@aol.com Subject: Re: Museum Info >> I would like to know if anyone could give me any pointers on maritime subjects / places of interest and museums in the San Fransisco, Los Angeles and San Diego areas. << Check the Nautical Research Guild's web site - Maritime Institution Survey. http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org Gene Larson Alexandria, VA Member NRG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Note of thanks Don: It would be more appropriate for us to give you a note of thanks, Don. As far as I'm concerned the Battle of Samar is one of the classic stands of military history--the maritime equivilent of Thermopolyae, The Alamo and Rorke's Drift. We are privileged to have someone with your history on this list. I salute you. Marc Flake Mansfield, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Scorpion/Thresher/Permit >> My main interest is nuclear submarines, but I also have a 1/429 Arizona I am working on. If anyone has a good web site pertaining to the USS SCORPION I would be very greatfull, as this is my primary project at the moment. I am also looking for a web site for information about the USS THRESER (later subs were renamed PERMIT CLASS as the THRESHER was origionaly the lead boat in the class)as that is also a future project. << I missed a day and see that you have received a good website reference on Scorpion. I have a complete set of external drawings of the Skipjack class (side profile, bow, stern, topside and underhull with fittings). I also have some information, photos and a good side profile drawing of Thresher/Permit class boats, which is good for most of the members of the class, except Jack (longer hull and twin contra-screws). Good websites for Scorpion include: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/9260/ http://www.txoilgas.com/589.html and on her sisters, Sculpin and Snook see: http://home.cshore.com/sbice/sculpin.html http://snook592.topcities.com/ For Thresher/Permit class, check out: http://users.aol.com/ssn594/permit.htm and a great photo of SubCommittee member Steve Reichsmuth's models of Skipjack and Permit classes at http://members.aol.com/permitpix3/model.htm USS Barb, a Permit class boat is at: http://members.aol.com/brittvanm/ssn596/brittweb.htm >> Check out the Sub Committee site (getting in before Tom does ;-) ) at: http://www.SubCommittee.com/ << Thanks, Shane; couldn't have put it better myself!!! Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: IAAFru2@aol.com Subject: Re: 1:350 BB Row >> Okay...I must profess curiosity here. ISW has listed as "planned" every battleship on battleship row at PH on 7 Dec 41 in 1:350 scale. The only thing I see missing is the Neosho, and knowing Jon that's probably on his "to do" list. << Yea But I want to know WHEN, WHEN, OH WHEN will they be ready, from what I see on there web site they don't really care if they get them done (listed as whenever) well i only have one thing to say to them please hurry, I can't wait for them, I've been wanting them since I started building models many moons ago -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: Re: DD-933 USS Barry Hi Guys Concerning the USS Barry DD-933. While it was orginially ordered for 1964 budget to convert the Barry it wasn't for ASW but to AAW as a DDG. According to Friedman's Book on US Destroyers the early 1960's were a time of great change and debate in weapons under Navy Secretary Robert McNarma. The Barry Conversion was delayed in the budget until 1968 and there is a photo of her looking pristine in 1971. So I'd say it was 1971 that she was converted and reentered service for as a DD for ASW. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "bruce simard" Subject: Re: Mirage Models Type IX Uboat >> In a local hobby shop I came across a Mirage Hobby 1:400 scale U-511 Type IXB Turm I + WG42 U-boat. This is the second Mirage U-Boat kit I've purchased -- and like the Type VII sold as the U-571 it features engraved deck planks, and flood holes. The model surface is a bit rough -- probably from when they sand blasted the die molds. I prefer the Mirage kit over the Heller, since the latter has raised flood holes and "grosser" details. Overall - I'm impressed with Mirage. I know that Tom Harrison has listed in his 2002 product catalog a 1:400 U-Boat fret. I've corresponded with Tom and he says that it will be designed to fit the Planet Models/Mirage Models Type II and the Heller Type VII. I'm hoping that one of the other etched manufacturers out there may jump in with some products that will fill the detail gap for the growing 1:400 Mirage Models sub line. The back of the box shows several Type VII variants, both with and without the extended Wintergarten, Type VIIs with flak stands ahead of - and behind the conning tower, and several other Type IX variants. << Ed and List, Trust me folks, this is only the tip of what is available from Mirage in their U-Boat Series. So far, I've managed to get 4 different Type II's, 6 different Type VII's(Including U-295 with 2 "Bibers attached!), and 4 different Type IX's! So Mirage has done quite well by us with the 1/400th U-Boats. I sincerely hope some manufacturer will come out with PE for this series. Actually, I'm surprised Part hasn't jumped on the wagon yet. These are nice kits (IMHO), and well worth the cost. I managed to get mine through NKR, with excellent service I might add. Anyone wishing more info on these kits, such as number, what sub-types, etc. feel free to contact me off list. (Don't want to waste bandwidth for non-U-Boat Types !) Hopefully we will see PE and perhaps some crew for these little jewels in the future. Enjoy Bruce Hi Bruce, Mate, you ain't wasting bandwidth talking about U-Boats here mate ;-) Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: JKrakow@aol.com Subject: U-Boat rocket launcher/ Photo Hi Ed Not familiar with a "WG42" rocket launcher. But launching rockets from a submerged U-Boat did take place, just one of many visionary ideas conceived and tested in Germany during WW2. Successful launches were made from a submerged submarine in 1942 using a standard army issue "Wurfgerat 41" launcher and 300mm rockets. There are several photographs from this event showing the rocket breaking the surface of the water. The launcher was a fine example of German efficiency: the rockets were fired directly from their wooden shipping crates, which were attached to a very simple metal frame. (I posted a photo at: www.collectrussia.com/sboot/launcher.jpg ) Although the results were promising, plans to use submarine launched rockets against convoys or enemy harbors were never carried through. Larger plans were underway to tow a V2 submerged in a watertight launcher/container within range of American cities. One container was built, but never tested. The theory was sound and formed the basis for the vertical launch tubes of modern submarines. Fortunately, the war came to an end before the idea could be put into practice; one can't help but contemplate the catastrophic results. It never ceases to amaze me how much of today's cutting edge military technology such as stealth, night vision and even smart bombs can trace their roots directly to German military engineers. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: John Snyder Subject: Navy Slang I recently bought a used book about a naive recruit in the USN in 1941. Humorous reading, but the real reason I bought the book was that it contains a "Dictionary of Navy Slang", 1941-style. I thought I'd post some of these gems on SMML. I may not manage a daily post, and I may not post everything, but sit back and enjoy.... "The Admiral's Mate: an egotistical sailor." "The Admiral's Watch: a sound sleep." "AOL: absent over leave. Probably delayed by a brunette, tch tch. Or a blonde, tch tch tch. Or a red head, tch tch tch. That's terrible. By the way, what's her phone number?" "The Arctic Boat: a refrigeration ship which carries the meat." "Ashore: where sailors meet girls?" "A to N: study book for enlisted men. Excellent to hold in front of face while dozing." "AWOL: absent without official leave. It takes a very good alibi to square this. If your grandmother wasn't really dead, you had better kill her." "Aye aye, sir: pronounced eye eye. A good, safe answer for anything. It means, quite right, sir--just as you say, sir--very good, sir. You can have your way now, sir, and I'll have mine when I am alone, by Gad, sir." Cheers, John Snyder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Sean D. Hert" Subject: Re: Side effects of SMML and Russian PE sets >> the kit provides PE railings and masts, but the real magic starts if you have WEM PE set for Sovremenny. It is expensive (I paid $54 for it) but it worth every penny: << I cannot emphasize how right Alec is about this PE set! It is simply amazing! Sean D. Hert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Richard Prescott Talk21" Subject: T Class Submarine Hi Case For your information regarding Metcalf Mouldings Submarine kits, these are not full kits but are usually just the main mouldings and fin (sail) and in some cases planes and rudder mouldings. They all come with the original John Darnell drawings. These hulls are Darnell Model submarine mouldings which have recently been taken over by Metcalf Mouldings. They also give a neat Sub booklet on "how to" with each kit. More info on http://www.metcalf-mouldings.com/ And don't forget to check out the SubCommittee boards at http://www.subcommittee.com/ Regards Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Terry Wiltshire Subject: T Class Submarine Case Metcalf Mouldings have a web site. www.metcalf-mouldings.com There is a drawing and some smallish photos of a completed model there. They say they got the mouldings from Darnell Models if that helps. My family actually has a model of a T Class. My father served on HMS Totem after she had been modified into the more streamlined form. We have a solid, 12 inch long cast metal model of her. She regularly went into battle with my Airfix ships when I was a child! Terry Wiltshire Budapest -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Cast 3D figures Hi; There are a number of wargame figure manufacturers who make WWII and modern figures in close scales, these are all army / marine figures but could be altered. They are available in 1:285 (US Manufacturers) or 1:300 ( UK manufacturers ) The following manufacturers can be found in the manufacturer's directory at The Miniatures Page: http://theminiaturespage.com/ 1:285 C & C GHQ 1:300 Ros Heroics ( look under Navwar) Skytrex The Ros Heroics (Navwar) figures can be aquired in the US through Scale Specialties at SMS Home Page: http://www.ss-sms.com/ Or they can all be mail ordered. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister eGroups : WoodenWalls Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Metcalf Mouldings Available In U.S. >> In the meantime, are any of you, builders, familiar with "Metcalf Mouldings"? << Hi case: I'd check with Don Spielberger or Renee Rowan at Loyalhanna Dockyard in Bergen, NY. They sell the Metcalf Mouldings line and can answer any of your questions about the company and it's products. Loyalhanna Dockyard can be reached at (716) 494-0027 or E-mail at: LHDockyard@aol.com Web site is: www.loyalhannadockyard.com Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: DMarkley@wwhenry.com Subject: Re: Nanuchka/Osa kits in larger scales In reference to the note about the Poseidon kit of a Nanuchka: It isn't 1/144th scale, it's 1/150th. I know because it's sitting on my closet shelf where I look at it every week. Also, it includes the photoetch and looks to be a very nice kit. I got this from a hobby shop in Norway through the mail believe it or not! Now, if only I could find the time to start it......sigh...... Dean -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: LHDockyard@aol.com Subject: Re: Submarine >> Some time ago I approached this group of experts in regards of a kit for building a British WWII, T-Class sub. In spite of all the helpful responses, I have not been able to locate one. I have now been informed by a Mr. Chris Jackson, of "Traplet Products" (I believe that's the name), that an outfit called " Metcalf Mouldings" in the UK, sells a kit to build a.....T-Class sub. The kit, supposedly, includes besides a set of plans, a moulding of the hull. I am in the process of contacting the Traplet reps, here in California, to find out more about this kit. In the meantime, are any of you, builders, familiar with "Metcalf Mouldings"? What is usually the quality of their kits? I would like to know a little more, before (perhaps) ordering an unseen kit from overseas.....BTW, I am strictly a recreational, non-expert builder! I would like to build me a model of the 2 subs, of this class, that I served in, way back. << Case, We are the US representative of Metcalf Mouldings. Yes they do have a T class available as well as a U class, S class, P class, X craft, Type 23, Type 21, Type 7c and Bibber. Metcalf's quality is very good as are the plans and instructions. If you would like any urther information please feel free o contact us at: Loyalhanna Dockyard 7527 Gilbert Road Bergen, NY 14416 716-494-0027 716-494-1369 fax Don www.loyalhannadockyard.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume