Subject: SMML VOL 1503 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:30:17 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: 3 new questions... 2: USN Slang 3: Re: Thresher 4: 1/350 Tamiya Yamato 5: USN Slang 1941 - Part D 6: Shinano etc 7: Re: Dry Transfer Markings 8: Gun Train Warning Circle 9: Re: Thresher/Permit subs (even more...) 10: How Hard Everyone Works -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Re: Time for another SMML Con?? 2: Atlanta Model Expo 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: DMs and other variants 2: Re: USS TRACY DM-19 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: 3 new questions... Please have a look at http://picpage7.tripod.com/various.html Thank you!! Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://www.geocities.com/friedkappes/flagship.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Joel Labow Subject: USN Slang >> Sailors sleep in hammocks, my dear. Really. Didn't you know? Yes, and in their underwear, too! Isn't that adorable...?" << John, No self-respecting sailor EVER slept in (or wore, for that matter) 'underwear.' We wore 'skivvies.' Joel Labow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Re: Thresher Most changes to the Permti class were internal, the most significant being to the ballast/blow system and the routing and diameter of the HP air lines. Venturi cooling and ice buildup in the long runs of HP air line were felt to be contributors to the loss of Thresher. This effect was demonstrated dockside in a a test with another of the Permit class. Keep in mind that the Thresher class was the first of the deep divers, with roughly twice the test depth (reported in open sources to be about 1300 ft) of previous classes of post WWII subs (Skipjack, Skate, Nautilus/Seawolf and the diesel Tangs) of 700 ft. Thus air pressures necessary to empty the ballast tanks were much higher than those used in the earlier boats. Effects not seen at lower pressures in the water vapor-saturated air systems of the Thresher class, such as venturi effect induced icing, became significant. If I may add my two cents here for what it's worth, I was involved in the aftermath of the Thresher investigation. At "The Boat" in Groton we investigated possibilities of silver-brazed piping joint/fitting failure and lack of/inadequate non-destructive testing (X ray, ultrasound) on seawater systems. major NDT inspection and redesign, new procedures as a result.through hull fittings, castings were subjected to another comprehensive NDT program as well. spent a multitude of hours crawling around the piping systems/tanks in 637 Class boats, as well as Boomers on the ways. Gene Katz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Aragiannis Evangelos" Subject: 1/350 Tamiya Yamato Hello everyone, Now, everyone knows about the revised Tamiya 1/700 Yamato. Does anyone know if the 1/350 model will ever be redesigned? (rhetoric question?) I own a 1/350 Yamato bought back in good old 1984!!! Does anyone know if the 1/350 has undergone any changes since then? Best regards, Evangelos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John Snyder Subject: USN Slang 1941 - Part D "D & D: drunk & dirty." [Something no USN sailor would every be....] "Decoy: a fine looking sailor. Girls are attracted by his manliness. This gives you a chance to get acquainted and explain some of the more cultural aspects of the Navy...." "Deep Sea Turkey: salmon." "Do a Bunk: make a fast getaway from an embarrassing situation." "Dodo: a coquette who will not accept the old age pension." "Doozy: easy; agreeable." "Dough Puncher: a baker." "Take an Overland Draft: desertion." "She's a Drag: she is here with an escort." "Drift Around: kill time." "Duff: anything edible and sweet." [Don't go there, Shane!!] "Dynamo Buster: an electrician." Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Shinano etc I will have to double check my books on that, but i thought the Sinano was delivering Buka bombs somewhere, might have been somewhere in Japan & also , the worst maritime disaster i recall reading i think it was the book"last year of the kreigsmarine" a sinking of a ship taking Germans away from the Russian advance into Germany was set upon by hundreds of fighter -bombers & heavy guns resulted in the loss of over 5,000 people, but because there was no offical passenger count it doesnt rate & only a few survivors told of the overcrowding of teh ship..will try to find teh book @ home & find out more details or if not check your own colection -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: " David and Alison Muir" Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Markings Some tips that have worked for me: cut the sheet down into more manageable sizes; scrape off any markings on this piece that are not needed; pre-burnish/pre-release the bit you want to use; align the cut edge with pre-made marks. Hold it with two fingers of one hand while you burnish with the other. Do not use tape as you need to compensate for the stretching of carrier sheet as you go. Burnish with the minimum amount of pressure to minimise stretching of the carrier sheet. Markings can be removed prior to the final (backing sheet ) burnish by lightly laying on a little masking tape, gently burnishing the marking and then even more gently pealing it back. Like most things practice makes it easier; stationary stores often sell cheap dry transfer lettering/decorations that are ideal "practise rounds". Hope this helps... David M Sydney, Oz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Russ Busby Subject: Gun Train Warning Circle It's me agian...I am building USS Barry (DDG 52) in 350th scale. I am looking for some advice on how to paint the gun train warning circle around the 5" gun mount of the focsle. I have tryed cutting rings of masking tape...but they are never nice and round and trying to lay them down is even worse. Is there some other type of material to use? Any suggestions would be greatly appriciated. Thanks Russ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Thresher/Permit subs (even more...) John Sheridan writes: >> The only real tip I can give you concerning the BWN sub kits is to drill small holes in the dive planes and periscopes and insert some pins. This will really help when it comes to attaching these parts to the hull and add strength to the part. Also, you will find there will be small gaps once you attach these parts to the hull. To fix this, use some slightly diluted Elmers glue to fill the seam. Once you fill the seam, remove the excess with a Q-tip dipped in water. This will help smooth out the fill and help the overall finish. << This is good advice. I also insert small thin brass rods into these parts. I also blend in the stern plane assembly with either thinned putty, superglue or the dilute Elmers. I do not blend in the rudders (upper or lower) nor the bow or fairwater dive planes, as these are "all-moving" parts, not blended into the hull. Note, though, that you also do not want to blend in the periscope and other masts. These are sharp, distinct 90 angles with the sail. Most of these kits have a slight recess in the location of the various masts that allows the mast to fit snugly and assists you in making this sharp appearance. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Peter Subject: How Hard Everyone Works Forgive me for revisiting this issue, but I think a reality check is in order. I am certain the small businesses that make and sell modeling products work very hard, that their owners stay up late and come in early, and make sacrifices of their free time to run their businesses and sell us resin kits, PE and the like. The owner of Naval Base Hobbies eloquently described his hectic schedule. I am sure others are equally rushed. I'd like to mention that I stay up late and come in early, and make sacrifices of my free time to earn money to buy their products. While I am glad that the cottage industries do what they do, I'd just like to make a reality check to note that with all the time I put in earning money that I use to buy cottage products, being the customer, I am somewhat entitled to good service and good quality. I shall refrain from detailing my own schedule but it involves some actual physical danger, lots of late night and weekend overtime, hard travel, absences from my family, going to work 'cause I have to when I feel sick enough to stay in bed and all the like. Probably the same for most of you. With all my sympathy for other hard working folks, I have never asked for a discount price on PE because I work so hard for my money, and I don't agree that I should settle for less than good service because someone else also has to work hard. The web makes it very easy to take one's business elsewhere, a fact of capitalism known for many years, just speeded up by the Net. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: Time for another SMML Con?? >> I'm surprised that this hasn't come up yet, but is anyone interested in setting up something by way of an SMML-CON in conjunction with IPMS Nats at Virginia Beach? The location seems made to order!! << I nominate the Fisherman's Wharf as a meeting place for dinner. Just off I-65 south of the tunnel and across the sound from the old seaplane ramp with a good view of the naval base. About 20 minutes from the convention center, but the food is great and so is the view. James Corley AAA Hobby Supply email: aaahobby@earthlink.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: Atlanta Model Expo 2002 Gang: Just a reminder that Atlanta Model Expo 2002, the IPMS/USA Region 3 Convention is this coming weekend, 1-2 February, at Meadowcreek High School, 4455 Steve Reynolds Blvd., Norcross, Georgia, Friday: 6 - 10 pm. Saturday: 8 am - 5 pm. Entrant's fee: $10 for 10 models. General Admission: $3. At present, we have sold over 100 vendors' tables; the loot is there to be had. Great models. Camaraderie. Good fun. There is lots to do in Atlanta. You are invited. John Collins Atlanta, GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: DMs and other variants The new book in the Warship Perspectives Series entitled "Flush Deck Destroyers in World War Two" Should give most of what people need in the way of modelling data. The book has sets of detailed plans, camouflage patterns, including those for the APDs painted in Green Camouflage. Mnay full page close-up photos of just about all of the main WW11 configerations, along with coverage of those that served with the R/N. In the back in fold out form is a large scale FULLY detailed set pf plans of HMS Montgomery as she appeared in mid war configeration, and this is the very first time that an accurate set has been drawn for an R/N serving ship. Eighty pages, packed with data that the model maker will love, and if you are making, or thinking of making a model of one of the class then this is the book for you. The book is now at the printers and will be shipped to retail and on-line dealers shortly. Make further enquiries with your favourite outlet. W R PRESS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USS TRACY DM-19 >> I also vaguely recall an Airfix(?) kit in about 1:600. << Yep. That kit has been out of production for some time, but Airfix have announced they will be re-releasing it as part of a 4-kit set of destroyers this year. We have the photoetch ready right now. I mentioned our REUBEN JAMES kit, but forgot to mention that it is 1/350 scale. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume