Subject: SMML VOL 1504 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:59:49 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Classic Warship New Jersey book 2: Re: Naval Base Hobbies 3: New thread 4: HMAS Perth 5: Painting circles 6: Photo Question 7: Largest Maritime Disaster 8: Worst war time maritime disaster 9: Re: USN Slang 10: Largest Maritime Disaster 11: maritime disasters 12: Worst sinking deathtoll, W.W.2 13: US Snail 14: RMS Queen Elizabeth 15: Worst maritime desaster / statement of Andrew Jones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Any SMMLies going to Indy? 2: Atlanta show -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Ark Royal Photoetch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: Classic Warship New Jersey book Hi Guys Has any one gotten the classic warship book on the New Jersey yet? Squadron is listing it in their recent supplement for $12.96. Also Squadron publishing has come out with a new book called Flight Deck Action WW2. The description says it was written by the same guy who did the Essex class book. Adcock The loading launching and recovery of USN a/cfrom 1940 to 1945. If any one comes across them could you drop opinon for them. Flight Deck Action WW2 costs 12.96 in the supplement. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: GUSDOCVILL@aol.com Subject: Re: Naval Base Hobbies WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!! Keep up the excellent work! In our world today, explanation is good for the soul and to please the others who do NOT really understand the running of a one-man shop, or one's life. Grace and peace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, bless you and your beloved family. Gus Semper Fi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: New thread We have had some interesting stories on the recent threads. How about having some lady SMML people share some of their experiences as to how they got into ship modeling. There was a great young lady in England whose father told us about some of the stuff she had been doing, about a year ago. What a lucky dad!!! I have seen a few lady SMML comments, but I bet there are more out there. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: HMAS Perth Are there any 1/350th scale models of the HMAS Perth, or other ships of her class? I'm not that knowledgeable of the Australian Navy units. Having just finished "The Ghost That Died at Sunda Straight" and having a USS Houston model, I thought a suitable display mate for her would be the Perth. Just curious, Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: raisingirl@mindspring.com Subject: Painting circles hi all.... Russ asked: >> It's me agian...I am building USS Barry (DDG 52) in 350th scale. I am looking for some advice on how to paint the gun train warning circle around the 5" gun mount of the focsle. I have tryed cutting rings of masking tape...but they are never nice and round and trying to lay them down is even worse. Is there some other type of material to use? Any suggestions would be greatly appriciated. << Not perfect, but the way I'd approach something like this is to get a compass -- one of those fancy ones with the little thumbwheel (a bow compass?) -- put one end in the midst of where the gun will go, then use the other end to scribe the inner and outer walls of the circle, and then paint in between with acrylic paint, which is easy to scrape up if you goof. Long ago I undercoated an Essex-class carrier flight deck in white, painted over it with gray and black, and used this method to scribe the most gorgeous circles for helo spots I'd ever seen. Try it.... jodie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "rlinkb42" Subject: Photo Question Does anyone know the ship type that is next to the Minneapolis in the photo on page 19 of Warship pictorial 2? Has a # 5 hull marking. Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Largest Maritime Disaster Hello Andrew, The worst loss of life recorded was the sinking of the Wilhelm Guslov by a single Soviet submarine. Estimates of the loss of life are in the range of 6,000 to 7,000. Most were civilians being evacuated from East Prusia although there were a large anount of German troops too. A second German liner was sunk by the same submarine soon afterwards which brought the total loss of life for the two ships to over 10,000. A fairly complete account can be found in the book "The Cruelest Night." Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: ZMzimmerman@cs.com Subject: Worst war time maritime disaster I believe the worst wartime loss of life in a single ship was the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff in 1945 by a Russian submarine. I believe the title of the book on this incident is "The Damned Don't Drown," sorry don't remember the author. Michael Zimmerman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USN Slang >> No self-respecting sailor EVER slept in (or wore, for that matter) 'underwear.' We wore 'skivvies.' << You're correct, of course, but remember these are quotes from a 1941 pub that was written in the vein of a sailor explaining terms to landlubbers in terms they would understand.... Cheers, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Peter Samolinski" Subject: Largest Maritime Disaster In regards the German ship sunk in the Baltic near the end of the war, it was the Wilhelm Gustloff, and she was sunk by the Soviet submarine S 13. While not known exactly, the death toll was probably closer to 6000 people. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "denis james" Subject: maritime disasters to andrew jones. I can find ref to the following sinkings & losses. Wilhelm Gustloff...4000 but prob much more.The Authors of the book mentioned below suggest 8000+ on board & only 988 saved. Goya......................7000 Steuben.................3000 Suggest you you get a copy of The Cruellest Night by Dobson Miller & Payne, tho its not pleasent.raeading. rgds denis james -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Tony Ireland" Subject: Worst sinking deathtoll, W.W.2 Hi Andrew, I believe that approx.7,000 German refugees perished when a Soviet submarine torpedoed the German 'Strength Through Joy' (sic) cruise liner 'Wilhelm Gustloff' in the freezing Baltic Sea off Courland in the winter of 1944-45. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: US Snail >> 1200 people, X 1500 mailings...... hooboy, thank god for the internet!!!! Betcha the posto office is kicking themselves in the can for not having any way to charge ya on it!!!!! << Hi; I'll bet that there are more than a few bureaucrats out there trying to figure out just how to do that! Those sweethearts would tax the air if they could figure out how. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister eGroups : WoodenWalls Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Pietro_Caltabiano" Subject: RMS Queen Elizabeth Does anybody know if is there a on-line article about how to improve Airfix 1/600 RMS Queen Elizabeth? In Italian stores (via e-mail) are avaliable GMM set GM 600-1 or Tom's Modelwork TW 6012, what's the better detail set for this ship? Thank you. Pietro Caltabiano -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Axel Wolters" Subject: Worst maritime desaster / statement of Andrew Jones Hi all, concerning the worst maritime desaster, mentioned in Andrew Jones feedbeack from the Shinano article, there were actually two german passenger ships sunk by russian submarines. They were crowded with people trying to escape from the russian troops invading Eastern Prussia, at that time part of the German Reich. They were sunk in February or March 1945 in the Eastern Sea, off the east german (now polish) coast. One was the KDF - Passenger ship "Wilhelm Gustloff" and the number of people loosing their lives was approx. 6.000 people (there are no exact numbers, because there were no passenger lists, the ships were crowded with refugees, mostly women and children and some wounded soldiers). This was the well known desaster and there was a black and white movie made in the 1950s about it. The second ship was the passenger ship "GOYA" with a loss of more than 7.000 peolpe, but its astonishing, this desaster is not well known. And on may 3rd 1945 there was another ship sunk near Kiel by british Fighter bombers Hawker Typhoon or Tempest with rockets. It was the passenger ship "Cap Arcona". Unfortunately it probably was not know to the allied forces, that on this ship were prisoners of the Prison-Camps called "KZ" and only a few soldiers as guards. So there was another senseless loss of about 2000 people, only 5 days before the end of the war in Europe. As an addition to one of the Shinano articles, there was the IJN carrier "Unryu" mentioned, this ship was NOT sunk during her maiden voyage, the ship was in service a few months, but didnt participate in battles, mostly it was used for ferrying airplanes and other war material to the pacific islands. There are fantastic lists about the movements of the big japanese ships in WW II on the IJN homepage www.combinedfleet.com There you will find the "TROMS" (tabular records of movements) with interesting informations of the ships´fates. Axel Wolters Moenchengladbach Germany -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Michael Taylor" Subject: Any SMMLies going to Indy? Hi List, Well I've been out here (Ohio) from NY for 3 years and am finally getting around to going to a show or 2. I'm going to try to seel my prints at the Indy IPMS Feb. 9th then will probably hit Colombus OH on the 23rd. Anyone here planning on attending? Mike T -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: raisingirl@mindspring.com Subject: Atlanta show hi all.... John Collins wrote: >> Just a reminder that Atlanta Model Expo 2002, the IPMS/USA Region 3 Convention is this coming weekend.... << and I'll be there. Look for me -- I'm hard to miss, but if you have trouble spotting the 5'11" redhead, ask the usual suspects (i.e. James Corley or Paul Cotcher) to point me out. (And a note for John: I tried e-mailing you off-list, but it keeps bouncing. But I'll be there, and if you recognize me, holler! I think I remember you, though.) jodie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Subject: Ark Royal Photoetch White Ensign Models is pleased to announce the availability of our new photoetch set (PE 743) designed specifically for the Revell 1/720 HMS ARK ROYAL (WW2) kit. Price is 16.13 Pounds (about $23.00), shipped post free worldwide. UK/EU price is 18.95 Pounds. View it at: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/wembrass/wempe743.jpg Order from the website, or directly by e-mail to me. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume