Subject: SMML VOL 1516 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 00:35:07 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: SS France / SS Norway 2: Re: AO-64 3: Re: AO-64 4: Wilmington/Charleston trip 5: german raiders 6: AO-64 7: Artillery shellcase 8: Re: AO-64 9: Re: AO-64 10: AO-64 11: Cruise ships "Norway" and "Club Med 2" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: For sale 2: Warship Pictorial's #15 &16 shipping out now! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: SS France / SS Norway Yes, the SS Norway is owned by the Norwegian Cruise Line and sails around the Carribean, if I recall from my recent NCL cruise. Rod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: AO-64 For John and Ken, I had forgotten about all of that, suction pulling the ships inward, VERTREPS going on overheard with the choppers - and the forward and backwards motion of the ships trying to keep the same speed. It was so touchy that they would actually increase or decrease the turns on the screws by just a couple of revolutions per minute. Thank God we only did Starboard UNREPs. Hmmmm, and to think I gave all that up. Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: EDKRU@aol.com Subject: Re: AO-64 "BRILLIANT" you must have been an Officer Have a GREAT DAY ED K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "T. Stephen Rogers" Subject: Wilmington/Charleston trip >> I'm going to be taking a 5 day trip to South Carolina the end of March. Flying into Myrtle Beach, and then driving up to Wilmington, NC to visit the USS North Carolina, and then heading down to Charleston to see Patriots Point and Fort Sumter. Are there any other sights, hobby shops, or attractions that are "must see" in this region? Is there any way to get in to see the Hunley? Any places with artifacts from the sunken ironclads that have been pulled from the bay << There is a small Civil War museum down at Fort Fisher. It is south of Wilmimgton toward Carolina Beach. You can also take the ferry to Southport and see the remnants of Fort Caswell. The last time I was there, you could still see concrete gun mounts. Be sure to stop in Calabash for some seafood. It's off US17 just north of the NC/SC border. You will really enjoy seeing the USS North Carolina. Steve Rogers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: german raiders I was at hobbyco on my morning courier run ,yes im was supposed to be working, & i saw a few new osprey books, there were 2 news one both on German sailors WW2, one was grey wolves & the other was just german sailors of WW2, now i think there was a colour profile of a raider, but i cant remember what sort of raider it was or anything, just remember seeing a ship that looked like a raider in the colour profile -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: AO-64 To add to the observation made by ken@oil-patch.com, consider a fact of ship-handling. If the ships are indeed too close and the Venturi Effect begins, turning the wheel to try to steer the ships away from each other only risks compounding the problem. When the wheel is turned to the right, for instance, the bow does not swing to the right. The stern swings to the left, thus making the condition worse. It is at a time like this that a captain earns his pay, avoiding such a situation in the first place. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: Artillery shellcase Hi Guys Thanks for your help on my question concerning my artillery shellcase. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Jeremiah O. Coughlin" Subject: Re: AO-64 Being an old "Tin-can" sailor we refueled and replenished almost daily, certainly when we were doing "plane guard". We would refuel from AO's, CV's, CA's, usually swap some movies and or mail. We also highlined stores, ammo, wounded, and sick, always underway. It seems to me that we would place our ship so that the bow wave from the larger ship would help hold us in. We have refueled in heavy weather when absolutely necessary, have had hoses pull out of the filling trunk causing an emergency shut down, and a God awful mess. One time we had a cable snap taking the arm of one guy, knocking two others over the side. Once the speed was equaled it would be an occasional one or two turn change on the shafts to keep station, we always had our best throttle and helmsman on duty. We almost always refueled from both sides of "mother", even CV's on the other side of an AO. We ran with the USS Salamonie AO 26 a lot, twin screws, 3 closed 5"/38 mounts plus many 40's. very fast tanker. The Brits used to refuel underway by trailing a fuel line behind them, letting the other vessel snatch it. Long ago and far away. Semper, jeremiah... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: GKingzett@aol.com Subject: Re: AO-64 Thanks for the answers about UNREP. Perhaps I did not describe the photo adequately. The Wisconsin is refueling the destroyer to starboard and the St Paul to port at the same time. There is no oiler in sight. The picture is an aerial shot, taken off the starboard bow at an elevation of perhaps 500 feet. The three warships, total beam about 200 feet, are separated by no more than 80 feet of water. That makes a trio 888 feet long X about 280 feet wide. That is a lot of ship crowded into a small area. Sea is fairly calm, not much wake or turbulence in the space between the ships, perhaps it was posed at low speed. Gary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "R Sidford" Subject: AO-64 I was officer in charge of the forward fueling station on the USS Eversole (DD-789) during a number of refuelings during the '60s. I got to take her alongside once - keeps one on his toes. As I remember, during refueling we usually were between 60 and 80 feet from the AO. Once we crept out to 120 feet and I don't think the oiler had any hose left - I was preparing for an emergency breakaway when we came back in. We always refueled on the oiler's starboard side - the trunks to the fuel oil tanks were on our port side. We always had the best helmsman on the ship, a 3rd class quartermaster, at the helm. Once the Captain, who normally stayed on the port bridge wing, went into the pilot house and saw that the helmsman had 20 degrees left rudder on. (The oiler's bow wave made that necessary, but he was unaware of it.) He nearly had apoplexy. The venturi effect certainly is real, but under normal refueling conditions must not be of concern until the distance is quite small (depending on the size of the ships, speed, etc.). I think that our main aim was to stay close enough. I have been reading the SMML postings for quite some time. I am impressed at the wealth of knowledge among the members and their readiness to share it with others. Richard Sidford -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Axel Wolters" Subject: Cruise ships "Norway" and "Club Med 2" Hi Andrew and all other cruise fans. I am working in a german travel agency and so I am able to give you the requested informations. First: "Norway" (the former "France") still belongs to NCL (Norwegian Cruise Line), although it was planned to sell her to NCL´s daughter company "Star Cruises" to cruise on new routes through asian waters.She mainly made 1 or 2 week- cruises to the carribean, starting from Florida. She made a last "farewell transatlantik-crossing" from sept.02 (starting in Miami, FL, via New York, Halifax, St. Johns, Greenock/Glasgow, Dublin, Le Havre, finishing in Southampton) to 20.sep 2001, before she should be sent to Asia. But the plan was changed and she now makes 7-day cruises to the eastern carribean, Miami, FL being her homeport. Second: "Club Med 2", which will have her 10th anniversary this year, will spend the summer-season in the Mediterranean, making 12 short-cruises from 2 to 5 nights in may/june and 6 short-cruises from 2 to 5 nights in September. From end of june to end of august she will make different longer cruises visiting Italy, France, Greece, Turkey, just to mention some countries. You can find a schedule at Club Mediterranees homepage: www.clubmed-cruises.com I hope, this was helpful and I hope that Norway, one of the last classic transatlantic liners (the other one is "Queen Elizabeth II) will survive and wont have the fate of the "SS United States" and other famous liners. Axel Wolters Moenchengladbach Germany -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: For sale The following Polly Scale 1/2 oz. paints are for sale. 3 bottles of USN Deck Tan, 2 bottles of German Dark Gray, 2 bottles of USN Light Gray ANA -602,1 bottle of USN Navy Blue 5-N, 1 bottle of USN Deck Blue 20-B, 1 bottle of USN Haze Gray 5-H, 1 bottle od USN Haze Gray 5-H, 1 bottle of USQM (Quartermaster)(3 in1)Blue. They are of WW2 era. Shipping and Handling is .50 cents a bottle. Contact me off list if interested and for US residents only. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Warship Pictorial's #15 &16 shipping out now! They are shipping out!!! Warship Pictorial's #15 & #16 are shipping out to all distributors, hobby and book dealers as I write this. Warship Pictorial #15 Kriegsmarine Schnellboote covers all German built S-boats(E-boats) from S-1 thru S-709 during the pre and World War Two time period. This does this with 72 pages containing 6 pages of text, 163 black & white photos, 11 color photos, 23 sets of line drawings and 14 color illustrations. Visually this book is the most extensive work ever done on this type of vessel. There is more visual information in this book than all previous S-boat books combined. As with all previous Classic Warships Publications the photographs have very extensive and informative captions. If you ever wanted to know what an S-boat looked like, then this is you best source. USA retail price $16. Warship Pictorial #16 USS New Jersey BB-62 is a photo album on one of the greatest battleships to ever put to sea. Contained in the 64 pages are 6 pages of text, 97 black & white photos, 17 color photos, all with informative captions. Many of the photos have never before been published. The life of this ship is covered from her keel laying to her present status as a museum today. The front cover alone should do it for you. Wait 'till you see it! USA retail price $15. Classic Warships future publication plans are to try to put out books on the same subjects as new kit releases. With that in mind, the next two books will be on recent and pending kit releases. They will be WP #17 IJN Myoko Class Cruisers and WP #21 KM Prinz Eugen. I am shooting for a summer release on those two. The covers for WP #17 & #21 will be posted on www.classicwarships.com and a few others. Next will be WP #18 Arleigh Burke Class DDG's and WP #24 Essex Class Carriers: Part One. WP #24 will cover the short hull versions of the class. As may have noticed I will be printing titles out of sequence, as the market demands and as reference material becomes available. I am currently working on about at least eight titles at any given time, such as KM Admiral Hipper, USS Wasp CV-7, US Navy 1919-1941: Volume One, Italian Heavy Cruisers of W.W.II, The Pearl Harbor Battleships, The Third Reich in Color, and a few others! Hope you all enjoy the two latest books, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume