Subject: SMML VOL 1519 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:29:38 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Various 2: Re: gun tackle 3: Re: AO 64 one more time 4: Once upon a time/Now this ain't no ...... 5: Re: AO64 6: Re: AO-64 7: Navy slang -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: New on the Flagship Models site 2: resin builder needed 3: REVELL 1/72 S-BOAT RE-STOCK, CW S-BOAT BOOK 4: More On Classic Warships Books & MSJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Various >> I was duty watch and Duty Stoker PO. I was sent for by the Master At Arms. "Were doing a search of the Stokers mess, we want you down there while we search lockers". Each man had to stand by his locker, each about 3' x 3' x 3' deep. On the request everyone was told to open their locker for a search. One of my stokers opened his locker, it was full of cans of beer. Not one item of kit. He said "I think I'm in the S..t PO". << Ah...John? Did they search YOUR locker as well??? (No need to answer, Mate. I'll buy when we next get together!) >> One other item to contemplate. When a carrier goes across an ocean on a deployment with escorts, the escorts need to refuel from the carrier (or BB as in the case that was sighted that started this thread). Therefore the nuclear carriers have to have fuel tanks for NSFO (Navy Special Fuel Oil). One of the arguments for nuclear escorts. << All of which are now gone. The argument AGAINST nuclear escorts (or so I'm told by former officers in the BAINBRIDGE reunion group) is that they required too many nuclear qualified engineering officers and petty officers, with the requisite training costs apparently (?) offsetting the savings in fossil fuels. As you may guess, I don't buy it, having served in one of these ships for four years. When BAINBRIDGE operated with ENTERPRISE in the Tonkin Gulf, we were the ONLY escort that could keep up with her for the full tour! We regularly sent conventional DDs/DLGs limping back to Subic Bay with ailing engineering plants after trying to keep up with our TG. >> Do Alan Raven or John Roberts know that you are trying to sell them? Have there families been notified? I thought this sort of thing wasn't allowed here any more. << Duane, remember that it was the Brits who started the slave trade to the colonies in the first place, so this is only fitting.... Best, John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Tom Kremer Subject: Re: gun tackle >> I've finally gotten to fitting out my Hellers Victorys main deck.. Ive got good photos of her 68lb cannonades. I've added all the ring bolts for her gun tackle but dont have any good pictures of one rigged.. Mckays Anotomy of the ships doesnt show it and neither does longrides The Anatomy of Nelsons Ships.. Since Im depicting her with guns rigged does anyone know where her recoil rope was fastened and her tackle to reset her friction carrage after firing?? << Okay, I'll try to answer that. There are two pairs of eyebolts sunk into the frames of the ship on the sides of the gunport and another eyebolt on the floor deck behind the gun. The breech rope is a single run of very heavy rope that leads from an eyebolt alongside the gun port through a ring bolt on the side of the carriage and then around the button of the gun itself, then back the same way to an eyebolt on the other side. The button is the big knob thing on the inboard end of the gun. This very heavy rope (7 inch diameter on a 32 lb gun) is used for securing the gun in position when it is not being used and it when eased loose while the gun was in use acted as a limit on how far the gun could recoil or roll. The gun tackles (one on each side) are a block and tackle running from the other eyebolt to the gun carriage, attaching a little above and forward of the rear wheel. The gun tackles are used to run the gun out when it is loaded and also helped with positioning/aiming. The train tackle is a block and tackle leads from an eyebolt on the rear of the gun carriage to the eyebolt on the deck behind the gun. It is used to hold the gun back when it is being reloaded. The only thing I have rigged on my 1/100 Constitution is the breech rope... I'm not up to rigging the other tackles in anything approaching proper scale. Tom K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: AO 64 one more time Speed I am not sure about that as someone else would have a better handle on that - I am going to say about 10 to 15 knots. As far as time - yes, but even more frequently than that. My time aboard the "Hawk" was during the Tet Offensive, so we were dropping bombs as fast as we could load them. It was also just as the new AOEs were coming into the fleet but there were only two. So one night we would take on fuel from an AO and the next night we would take on stores from an AF and then bombs from and AE. Sometimes it would be one after the other in one night. When the AOE came on it was better but hectic as we had to split up our manpower to take on the fuel lines and the highlines of the stores and ammos on to our elevators. Typical UNREP in those days was about3 to 4 hours and yes could go to 8 if there were mechanical problems or the oiler or AF/AE was just slow in delivering. Mike NAVYDAZE - Naval & Aviation Artist -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Rick Lundin" Subject: Once upon a time/Now this ain't no ...... Its good to hear genuine sea stories popping up again - its been too long. Keep them coming. Rick Lundin ex-HM2 USN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Wayne E. Weatherwax" Subject: Re: AO64 Vessels requiring replenishment always approach the replenishment vessel.(i.e. Tanker,stores ship) Every carrier deployed usually has a major UNREP every 30days to take fresh produce, supplies, repair parts this is the normal supply cycle when deployed. Replenishment at sea UNREP can also be requested anytime while at sea, depending on a vessels fuel capacity, and other requirements. Smaller ships without the bunker(fuel tank) capacity often refuel more often, sometimes from Carriers as well as Tankers/Stores ships. Today with many of the Carrier Battle group being Nuclear powered the requirement for fuel is much less than in the past. Todays ships are usually looking for JP for helos, and distillate for bunkers. The amount of time I qouted for UNREP 8 hours for a conventional carrier (not nuclear powered) was how long it used to take to give a carrier all its required NSFO(Navy Special Fuel Oil) and light aviation gases (avgas/jp5) This time was just to UNREP fuel only, not fresh provisions/stores. Today the Nimitz class carrier can replenish with all fuels, ordinance, fresh provisions,and stores in under 4 hours. Thats using 2 highlines and two helos for vertrep. During my tour aboard Ike we took basically everything we needed for another 30 days of operations. A figure that comes to mind was around 350tons of stores of all types. Now realistically this time will vary depending on many factors. i.e. sea state, available time, avail supplies, operational uses of ordinance etc. Wayne E. Weatherwax CPO,USN (ret) and too old to play the game at sea anymore -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Sam Pullig Subject: Re: AO-64 I have not read all the notes, but here are my memories. In regards to speed I think we UNREPed at 13 Knots, it could have been 11. For LST's etc we would steam at 11 knots, maybe 9. The receiving ship always came up to and held station on the sending ship. It was interesting in bad weather. Not a big deal in good weather. I have a few photos of this on my web site for the USS REGULUS AF-57. It is at www.regulus.8m.com Take a look. Again 30 year old memories. Samuel W. Pullig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Kdg345@aol.com Subject: Navy slang About 10 years ago, Boeing Co. decided that they were going to work as a "world class company". To do this they came up with some slogans. One was "the 5 "S". This was meant to stand for Sort, Select, Shelve etc. Of course to us ex-Navy types this was nothing new. We had the 5 "S" for getting ready for inspection and liberty - i.e. S--t, shine, shave, shower and shampoo. Ken Groom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: New on the Flagship Models site Just posted on the Flagship Models site is the next chapter in my "Building a Hybridized New Jersey" saga. This part is the Hangar Deck, and follows my scratch building the massive hangar deck on the proposed amphibious assault version of the USS New Jersey. Check it out. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. Purchase on line with your Visa/Master Card/Amex/Discover http://okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: resin builder needed I need a resin builder in the San Diego to build a MBM Dennis Buckley. I want to set you up with a Reunion organizer. Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Bill Gruner Subject: REVELL 1/72 S-BOAT RE-STOCK, CW S-BOAT BOOK We just received a new shipment of the Revell 1/72 scale plastic kit of the German S-Boat (S-100). This has proved to be an excellent and popular kit. As before, this batch was airshipped in from Europe, and the price is $30.00 + post. By Friday or Monday we should have the new Classic Warships S-Boat book. It will be by far the best pictorial ever done on the subject. Price will be $16.00 + post. If you are buying the kit and the book together, shipping will be $7.00 for both. Many thanks, Bill Gruner Pacific Front Hobbies -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: More On Classic Warships Books & MSJ Model Ship Journal's Spring 2002 issue (Shipping in March) will present in-depth reviews detailing Classic Warships' new titles: Warship Pictorial #15 Kriegsmarine Schnellboote and Warship Pictorial #16 USS New Jersey (BB-62). With the new BB title by Classic Warships, we've brought together several features on the Iowa class ships. MSJ will present high detail official USN plans for the USS Missouri (BB-63), reproduced across the centerfold in our usual fashion, this time in 1/700 scale. These show all outboard detail views in her WWII configuration. There's also a review on NNT's new resin kit depicting USS Iowa as she appeared in 1987. And there will be a full on-board photo feature by Craig Bennett showing the museum ship USS New Jersey (BB-62) in her 1990 configuration. Our reviews are full or multi-page affairs, fully illustrated rather than a quick gloss-over for quantity. We keep them objective and present the best scale models available. Our plan reproduction is complete and in scale-so you can build a model directly from the page and, as always, Model Ship Journal's photo reproduction is second to none. Talk about good value for the money--you'll find the next issue of Model Ship Journal will be bigger than ever before, 8 more pages, so we have the room to do our hobby justice. Subscriptions will remain the same, $35.00 per year (U.S.) and $45.00 per year outside U.S (we accept Master card/Visa or checks). Note also that for Canada and Mexico we ship subscriptions by air for fast delivery to our neighbors--at no extra charge. 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